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Old 09-09-2017, 08:54 AM
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I just got my Compact 22 back from the factory for the 2nd time. This time I found out what acceptable accuracy is. They sent me a picture of a test target that appears to be a group that was 2-1/4 inch at 15 yds. That may be acceptable to them but not for me. This gun will either become a safe queen or someone else's noise maker. I will show them the test target if I decide to pass it on. I will test it myself before deciding. Maybe I am a better shot than their tester.LOL
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The groups I've seen posted in reviews about this gun were about that size at 25 feet. I don't think the gun was mean to be a one hole target pistol. Shooting offhand with a semi like this a 2.25 group at 15 yards would be "minute of whatever reasonable object you are shooting at". I would think that a supported hold should do a bit better but for a one handed plinking hold that ain't that bad. It may very well be that the group shown was a "10 shot to see if it functions before sending it back" group. I would think that setting your mind to it you would be able to do a good bit better. Let us know
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Sounds about like mine.... with balk ammo... but it's a family plinker / rimfire trainer.... so that will do.......from a light weight short barrel/sight radius .... $300 gun.

Small groups IMHO a requires a 17/18/41 & you're looking at $700 and up......... now Rugers are GTG as semi-target guns for IIRC $450 or so

Only true test would be a Ransom rest......

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Speaking only for me and my 22c as long as the groups are consistent then that sort of result would be ok. My expectations for my compact are not the same as say my Buckmark; its an inexpensive plinker that can be reasonably accurate and a blast to play with.

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I've got around 45,000 rounds through mine. I never thought it was a target gun when I bought it. My thought's were it was a good trainer for my wife who was a new shooter at that time. And just a fun gun for us to take to the range for some plinking. For a $300.00 dollar gun I don't think you can ask for or expect more out of it.

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Old 09-10-2017, 11:08 AM
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I just got my Compact 22 back from the factory for the 2nd time. This time I found out what acceptable accuracy is. They sent me a picture of a test target that appears to be a group that was 2-1/4 inch at 15 yds. That may be acceptable to them but not for me. This gun will either become a safe queen or someone else's noise maker. I will show them the test target if I decide to pass it on. I will test it myself before deciding. Maybe I am a better shot than their tester.LOL
Wait, you're expecting a ~$260 gun, with a 3.56" barrel and plastic 3-dot sights--and its resultant sight radius--to shoot better than that? Wow.

Might be the wrong gun for your needs.
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2 inches at 50 feet eh?

Thats a helluva lot better than I can shoot

Pretty thrilled with that at 10 yards (30 feet)
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Wait, you're expecting a ~$260 gun, with a 3.56" barrel and plastic 3-dot sights--and its resultant sight radius--to shoot better than that? Wow.

Might be the wrong gun for your needs.
Hickock45, shoots even 3" barrelled semis at a gong at 80 yards away.
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Hickock45, shoots even 3" barrelled semis at a gong at 80 yards away.

Hitting a 12-18 inch gong isn't shooting teeny tiny little groups
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Hickock's gong is much bigger than 18 inches. I noted in one video where he walked beside it that it must be at least 36 inches - maybe even 48.
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Try a good 1911 from Les Baer for better accuracy. 2" or so at 50 yards.
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I think we need to face that all m&ps are just not as accurate as their competitors, even in the fixed blow back recoil pistols they do not stand up to buckmarks and rugers. I've not tried the new 2.0, but this has been my experience.
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I think we need to face that all m&ps are just not as accurate as their competitors, even in the fixed blow back recoil pistols they do not stand up to buckmarks and rugers. I've not tried the new 2.0, but this has been my experience.
Not sure it is a fair apples to apples comparison between a compact .22 and say a Buckmark. Most Bm's have barrels close to twice the length of a compact, with a longer sight radius. So to expect both to perform the same is like wondering why a ecoboost mustang cant run as fast as a gt lol.
Seriously though, probably a fair # of owners here who have a compact .22 and a Buckmark, a Ruger, and so on..... and we'd all likely admit our expectations for accuracy are not the same between those models. Doesn't take anything away from the compact at all.

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Old 09-11-2017, 02:02 PM
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I agree with Ranger17 - S&W Victory would be more appropriate candidate for comparison than M&P compact.
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:33 PM
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Not sure it is a fair apples to apples comparison between a compact .22 and say a Buckmark. Most Bm's have barrels close to twice the length of a compact, with a longer sight radius. So to expect both to perform the same is like wondering why a ecoboost mustang cant run as fast as a gt lol.
Seriously though, probably a fair # of owners here who have a compact .22 and a Buckmark, a Ruger, and so on..... and we'd all likely admit our expectations for accuracy are not the same between those models. Doesn't take anything away from the compact at all.

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Ok, do you know a .22lr pistol/revolver that is less accurate than a m&p 22 compact? It is a good gun because it is reasonably accurate and very reliable, probably the most reliable .22 I've ever fired. I still own a m&p .22 compact and a shield 9mm as they are good at what they do, but all my m&p 1.0s are gone. They are just not that accurate and can pick up almost any other and shoot it better than my m&p caliber to caliber (22,9,40,45).

The s&w .22 ar is accurate and reliable. I hope the new m&p 2.0 compact is comparable in accuracy to the competition.
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The Buckmark's and Ruger Mark's sights also have a fixed relationship with their barrels. The Compact has it's barrel more or less fixed to the frame - and the slide (and sights) gets to pick and choose where it settles between shots. I'm not criticizing the Compact at all - mine has been 100% reliable and is great for burning some holes in targets ...

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I agree with Ranger17 - S&W Victory would be more appropriate candidate for comparison than M&P compact.
I hate to beat a dead horse, but a Victory has a 5.5" "match grade" barrel, a different (and 3.5#) trigger, and weighs 36oz. Brownells had the 22c last week for $259 shipped. The Victory retails significantly higher. Not really a fair comparison.

A better apples to apples might be a Ruger SR22 or an IMI M22.

3.56" barrel. M&Pish trigger. Plastic 3-dot sights. Let's not lose the bubble here.
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I was told by a Ruger rep and a S&W rep that their compact 22's are more accurate then most people can shoot and that people have been wanting in a semi-auto kit type gun . I have always been one of those old die hard revolver guy's so I gave it a try . Both shot the same basically but the S&W felt better ( a little bit of favoritism possibly). I couldn't get anything close to 2 1/4" at 50' . It went to S&W mostly because of rough rifling, they said its fine ,hmm. Well I decided to try new sights from hiviz, a lot better, but the bore . I took JB bore cleaning compound and worked on the bore scrubbing according to directions then shooting then cleaning then to JB again . Then I finished with JB bore bright . It's better but the trigger needs more work. I have a 63-5 ,317 and their bores are bright and shiny and S&W says it's the same process in the rifling and the sales reps say it was given adjustable sight because it was to be an accurate weapon like the kit guns . Everyone doesn't have the same expectations but those of us who want an accurate semi auto kit type gun bought these thinking they were . Maybe I was wrong to think so but I still have it . I'm getting a little better 2" group at the 50' indoor range sometimes , now a trigger would be great , listening Apex or someone? The gun runs on everything so I haven't given up on it but I feel like Capt. Bob it was marketed to be better and think S&W shouldn't lower they're standards !
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but a Victory has a 5.5" "match grade" barrel, a different (and 3.5#) trigger, and weighs 36oz. Brownells had the 22c last week for $259 shipped. The Victory retails significantly higher. Not really a fair comparison.

A better apples to apples might be a Ruger SR22 or an IMI M22.

3.56" barrel. M&Pish trigger. Plastic 3-dot sights. Let's not lose the bubble here.
I've meant to compare Buckmark or Mark to Victory, not Victory to compact 22.
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At 80 yards?? Can you do better with the recognized equipment?? I Think Not!!!! Show proof before opening your mouth!!!


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I've meant to compare Buckmark or Mark to Victory, not Victory to compact 22.
That makes much more sense. Sorry.
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At 80 yards?? Can you do better with the recognized equipment?? I Think Not!!!! Show proof before opening your mouth!!!
What the .......???????? Proof of what???????? On what basis do you "think not"? I don't think we've ever met.... let alone gone shooting together...................

First; who made you the Forum's arbiter of good shooting? Second; we pride ourselves around here in keeping a civil tone in our exchanges.......

To "explain" my original post .........I'll type slowly...... try to keep up.................

If one hits the gong "anywhere"..... it pings!
Someone else said his gong is actually 36-48 inches in diameter....... so he's (Hickcock 45) is shooting a 3-4 foot group at 80 yds....to get the gong to ping.......hardly a teeny tiny group ......Plus in all likelihood he's practiced and calculated the hold over before turning on the camera.......seems to be pretty doable.

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Just picked up a .22 Compact yesterday at a local gun show. $320 out the door.

Can't wait to get it to the range and see how it shoots for me.

I'm looking for 'minute of Coke can' at plinking distances.

I'll report back with results........

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I have always thought that those type of pistols were for plinking or for cheap training at people size targets at close distances. If I wanted a .22 pistol for hunting small game or target shooting, I'd look at something else. That being said, I'm pretty much in your camp. It shouldn't be super hard to make a reasonably priced .22 pistol that is accurate. Ruger has been doing it since 1949.
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I've owned several Rugers and a really nice Model 41 for a while. I appreciate what they can do and how the go about doing it.

For this gun, I'm looking for a fun plinker I can let my wife and daughter shoot and I can kill time with when I'm assigned to the range.

As a bonus, it fits the same Blackhawk holster I use for my issued Glock 22, so I'm not out more money for new leather.

I'm on the range tomorrow, so it'll get a good workout. I'll report back with some function/accuracy observations.
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It looks like mine is going to be a shooter.......

Here are a couple of targets shot this morning at my work range. First is a 5 shot unsupported group from 7 yards and the second is a ten shot group fired from the 15 yard line using a 2x6 'barricade' for support.

For reference, the distance from the front of the ejection port to the front sight is roughly 2" and the ejection port cut on the left side is roughly 1 inch.

Both groups were fired with CCI Mini Mags. I shot about 200 rounds total, CCI and Remington GB's. Never touched the sights. These groups are the first fired, straight from the box.

This accuracy equals or exceeds that of my .40 caliber duty gun.

So far, so good.
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Thats about what I have come to expect from mine. Great little gun.

My son and I played a game at the range the other day. Gun on table empty with slide back. Quick draw off the table, insert mag, close slide and fire, no "aiming" allowed. At 20ish feet we were never more than 2 inches off from our target point. Id say 50% of our shots were right on target. We were using a standard sticky dot. Bout 3/4 of an inch.

Did I mention its a great little gun?
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