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Old 10-05-2017, 08:00 PM
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Okay. I have cleaned it and cuddled it and shot the hell out of it and while it WILL get into a 5" circle at 15 feet it will stove pipe, it will not lock open as it should and I am one step from dumping it at an upcoming gun show. I really don't want to get into a long term exchange with S&W about it-sending it back and forth. I really DO like this little pistol, but what isn't right here?
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:46 PM
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My suggestion is to send it back to S&W. Since you're not going to use it again anyway, it shouldn't be a big deal to be without it for a few weeks. That way, when it comes back repaired, you can at least dump it on the next guy with a clear conscience.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:25 PM
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How many rounds? Have you switched ammo? Mine has been fine.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:34 PM
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Mine works OK. I just don't like it much, so it lives in its box. I guess it's part of my "contemporary" Smith collection. The LCP has it beat in so many ways, and I don't even like Rugers.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:43 PM
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I've never heard anyone sing praises to the BG380.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:55 PM
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It took me a few range trips to get the hang of shooting mine. Nasty long trigger pull, but it is predictable, so slow to medium firing I can get good groups out to about 10 yds. Past that and itís not so pretty.
I pretty much keep it hanging around to grab when I run to the store or other short errands when Iím in shorts. Besides that, it has no other use.


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Old 10-05-2017, 11:03 PM
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While I'm a S&W guy , the LCP Custom is what you seek!
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:35 AM
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I have 5 mags for my BG...2 factory mags that came with it, 2 S&W branded ones I bought and 1 promag. The flat plate factory mag only locks open 50% of the time, the factory pinky plate mag works 100%, 1 S&W bought mag works 100% and the other works 0% and the promag is a hunk of junk that not only wont lock open but wont even feed proper causing it to jam the gun. As far as the stove pipe goes it could be ammo related or possibly a bad ejector or just a good old limp wrist.
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I've got 3 .380s....a Sig 230 (Sig's improvement on a PP and great pocket carry); Sig 250 in .380 which is smooooth DAO, easy to rack slide and not a blowback; and a Walter PK380 (also not a blowback) which has some online knocks against it but I've had no problems.

Send the BG off, sell it, buy a Sig 230 or 232.
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Old 10-06-2017, 04:26 AM
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If I were you I would have someone else shoot it too see if they have the same problem. If they have a problem I would send it back to get it repaired. My wife has one and we both think it is a great little gun.
It always goes bang, it's a DA, it doesn't stay cocked after firing a round and flatter than a revolver. What's not to like?
The Ruger LCP is not DA so comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. Larry
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Old 10-06-2017, 05:32 AM
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Mine is back at the factory for the second time. The symptoms were failing to lock the slide back on the last round and magazines that won't drop when the mag release is pushed. After a lot of searching, I was finally able to understand my problem.

Instead of landing square on the little follower notch, the slide stop tab would wedge itself against the vertical edge of the follower. That would keep the stop from engaging and also put lateral pressure against the magazine so it needs to be yanked out instead of dropping freely.

The first time the gun went "home" they indicated the slide stop was replaced and then functioned ok. I ran a couple magazines through it and there was no improvement.

Not sure what they'll do with it on this second trip.
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Sell it. If you have had nothing but misery from the pistol,you will never trust it. If you seek an inexpensive alternative,look no further than the KelTec P3AT. Have had 2 for many many years and they are keepers.Gobble up all kinds of ammo,easy parts availability (I've never needed any) and accurate for self defense. If you want to spend a bit more..buy a Glock 42.It's a bit big for pocket carry,but that really depends on what you are wearing.Mine has never caused me any grief and I carry it a lot,shoot it often. Fussy guns are not worth having around. Just like people..

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Old 10-06-2017, 08:16 AM
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Okay you guys! I get it! And I agree you just can't hang onto something that is untrustworthy. There are others out there but the sad fact is I really like this little pistol but not enough to keep on farting around with it. I have used all brands/loads through it, cleaned it until my fingers are sore etc. etc. so enough is enough.
Thanks for the comments and suggestions.
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Old 10-06-2017, 10:36 AM
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Never liked the Bodyguard. Bought one...had problems with it...got rid of it...no regrets.
Bought 6 KelTec P3AT's... absolutely the worst garbage... shouldn't be on the market. All failed! They'll get you killed for sure! Dumped them quick.
Bought 4 Ruger LCP's. All worked but had to squish mags in to lock in; too long trigger pull; and no slide lock. Got rid of them, too.
Always hated Taurus anything but bought 4 TCP's for $140 each... BEST FRIGGIN 380's I could have ever dreamed of! Great triggers; eat all ammo; totally reliable; have slide lock that works 100%; and BONUS...can shoot the eyes out of a gnat at 15 yards! Really, super accurate shooters! Can't say enough good things about the TCP 380.
Try one if you can find one... Like all good things, they got discontinued last fall.
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Old 10-06-2017, 11:44 AM
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Okay you guys! I get it! And I agree you just can't hang onto something that is untrustworthy.
This is the right statement. If your purpose is self-defense, you can't keep this.


There is another factor that hasn't been mentioned yet; caliber. Believe it or not, some people just have trouble shooting the smaller calibers. The .380Auto is an anemic version of a 9mm. Because it's so weak, it's easy for the operator to retard the action of the slide. Since I haven't seen you shoot, I don't know if this is part of your issue or not.

In general, the guns with the most complaints are .380Auto guns. I see it a lot in my classes. They're just not as reliable as their larger brothers. People buy them because they're small and easy to conceal, but they have a lot of trouble.

The Shield 9mm is a much better gun.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:31 PM
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Never liked the Bodyguard. Bought one...had problems with it...got rid of it...no regrets.
Bought 6 KelTec P3AT's... absolutely the worst garbage... shouldn't be on the market. All failed! They'll get you killed for sure! Dumped them quick.
Bought 4 Ruger LCP's. All worked but had to squish mags in to lock in; too long trigger pull; and no slide lock. Got rid of them, too.
Always hated Taurus anything but bought 4 TCP's for $140 each... BEST FRIGGIN 380's I could have ever dreamed of! Great triggers; eat all ammo; totally reliable; have slide lock that works 100%; and BONUS...can shoot the eyes out of a gnat at 15 yards! Really, super accurate shooters! Can't say enough good things about the TCP 380.
Try one if you can find one... Like all good things, they got discontinued last fall.
Jerry Miculek has no problems hitting a street sign at 400 yards with the BG. My BG 380 has a perfect record after several hundred rounds. If you can't shoot good or read the manual then you will have problems like you have experienced.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:36 PM
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"While I'm a S&W guy , the LCP Custom is what you seek!"
I agree 100%
I had a BG 380, for about 30 days sold it.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:39 PM
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I had a Bodyguard for over a year - and dumped it at an LGS for an M&P Compact .22 (lost almost $100). Waited a long time for a stainless LCP - it was worth the wait. I'm late to this party but I have to echo almost every comment I've seen: you cannot go wrong with an LCP. Mine is a newer one with a trigger that's at least an order of magnitude better than my old clunker BG .380.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:58 PM
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Sorry for your troubles. I've had intermittent problems with my BG. It always stems from the ammo I've fed it. It works for me and my lifestyle.

I also recommend sending it back to Smith and Wesson...then sell it. Regardless whether it's the gun, ammo or your shooting habits, you shouldn't trust it.

I hope you find something you love. Good luck!!
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Old 10-06-2017, 04:59 PM
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Well gents, I AM going to send the BG back to S&W and in the meantime, like maybe tomorrow, pick up a new LCP II. I am also interested in the little Colt .380 but don't know much about it yet.
Contrary to what people say I LIKE my original Ruger LC9 and NO....I don't want a better trigger-the nice looooonnnng trigger I have precludes some idiot (not me ) shooting it by accident. If fires every time, as accurate as a little toy gun can be,fits in my pocket fine and it's a 9r.
Love the PPK etc. but good grief I'm an old man and can't be dragging all that weight behind me. Hell, I might as well pull a wheeled canon tied to my belt.
Okay, I will keep you posted. If I can find this thread each time.
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Old 10-06-2017, 05:36 PM
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Well gents, I AM going to send the BG back to S&W and in the meantime, like maybe tomorrow, pick up a new LCP II. I am also interested in the little Colt .380 but don't know much about it yet.
If you are interested in the Colt .380, you might want to check out the SIG P238. It is also a .380 and is about the same size and weight (16 - 17 oz.) as the Colt, and has 7+1 capacity. I've shot 100 rounds through a P238 rental at my range, and I was very impressed. It's very easy to rack, has a nice single action only trigger, and is very accurate for such a small pistol. According to folks on the SIG Talk forum, it's reliable as well. However, it is somewhat expensive (in the $500-550 range), and you'll have to not mind carrying a SAO pistol cocked and locked.
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Old 10-06-2017, 06:09 PM
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Well gents, I AM going to send the BG back to S&W and in the meantime, like maybe tomorrow, pick up a new LCP II. I am also interested in the little Colt .380 but don't know much about it yet.
Contrary to what people say I LIKE my original Ruger LC9 and NO....I don't want a better trigger-the nice looooonnnng trigger I have precludes some idiot (not me ) shooting it by accident. If fires every time, as accurate as a little toy gun can be,fits in my pocket fine and it's a 9r.
Love the PPK etc. but good grief I'm an old man and can't be dragging all that weight behind me. Hell, I might as well pull a wheeled canon tied to my belt.
Okay, I will keep you posted. If I can find this thread each time.
I think you will like the LCP II if you give it a try. I have an original LCP & it is OK, 100% reliable. I have over 500 rounds theough my new LCP II it is also 100% reliable, it is the pocket pistol I have looked for.
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Two years 1500 rounds NO problemsI have a SIG 238 and a Shield9 the BG.380 gets the EDC duty.

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I have carried my son's BG 380, didn't care for it. My son didn't care for it. I believe it just sits in his safe now.
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I have been a S&W guy for more years than many of you have been alive. However, I could never warm up to the Body Guard. I have carried a Kahr P380 for several years with complete satisfaction. Of all the offerings at the time, it had the best trigger and features of the pocket pistols. For a reliable and easily concealed pistol, the Kahr has been a good choice for me.
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Old 10-07-2017, 08:50 AM
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Dope Cops here issued BGs as BUGs. Had 3 on the range over a period of time. 1 ran like **** through a goose, the other 2....NOT.
Agency eventually took them all up.
That is my personal experience with BGs.
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Jerry Miculek has no problems hitting a street sign at 400 yards with the BG. My BG 380 has a perfect record after several hundred rounds. If you can't shoot good or read the manual then you will have problems like you have experienced.
Not sure what you are trying to say and imply...
Maybe you flunked basic grammar in elementary school?
I read all my operator manuals; I'm a former record-holding competitive shooter and firearms instructor; have owned more guns of all types than you could imagine; and, I'm not Jerry Miculek nor do you have to be to recognize a crappy gun design. A crappy gun is still a crappy gun no matter whose hands it's in. Just because a few Bodyguards may function properly doesn't mean it's everybody's cup of tea. Keep drinking the S&W Kool Aid and posting insulting assumptions about other forum members... Good Job!
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After the huge success of the redesign of the LCP to the LCP II I see either a complete redesign of the S&W BG or they are just giving up the 380 market to Ruger.
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Just bought one because I shot my wife's and was pleased. I'll be curious to see how it compares to my LCP custom after a few hundred rounds...

If it's close, I'll be happy.
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I've always liked my Bodyguard. It's got usable sights, and falls right in between the original LCP and Sig P238 in weight and bulk, and I can shoot it all day with no fatigue or pain (unlike the LCP).
I did have a problem with recurring light strikes even after sending it back to the factory, but, a heavier hammer spring installed by my local gunsmith seems to have fixed this problem.
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Maybe you flunked basic grammar in elementary school?
I read all my operator manuals; I'm a former record-holding competitive shooter and firearms instructor; have owned more guns of all types than you could imagine; and, I'm not Jerry Miculek nor do you have to be to recognize a crappy gun design. A crappy gun is still a crappy gun no matter whose hands it's in. Just because a few Bodyguards may function properly doesn't mean it's everybody's cup of tea. Keep drinking the S&W Kool Aid and posting insulting assumptions about other forum members... Good Job!
Have a nice day.
Well, in the alternative, not everybody shoots every pistol well. There are times when a perfectly fine pistol design just doesn't fit the way we hold it, handle it, point it, shoot it, or reload. That's why there's so many different designs.

PS: Isn't "Maybe you flunked basic grammar in elementary school?" an insulting assumption about another forum member? Leave that stuff out of the discussion . . .
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I think you will like the LCP II if you give it a try. I have an original LCP & it is OK, 100% reliable. I have over 500 rounds theough my new LCP II it is also 100% reliable, it is the pocket pistol I have looked for.
Not to venture too far off topic here - but, are you comfortable with the safety in the design of the LCP II? Up front, I donít own one and havenít fired one Ė but the trigger seems like a cocked SA to me. My LCP seems just right - much better trigger pull than my old BG .380 and I can clearly see the hammer being pushed back some distance as part of the trigger pull.
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I have a suspicion that a new bodyguard Will debut this week with the already leaked shield 2.0. They could rename it the shield 380 maybe just keep the same name.

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I got the BG .380 Feb. 2014 and it was flawless for over 800 rounds of FMJ & HP, then light strikes all of a sudden. The one good one was my Gen 2 LCP that I gave that to my son in law. I just trust a J frame more than any of the tiny sub compact guns and now carry a 340PD.
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Are we talking about the BG380 with the laser or the M&P380 without the laser. I've got the M&P and I bought it over the Ruger because it was hammer fired allowing for repeat strike and had a safety. I shoot nothing but ball through mine and it has worked as intended for over 200 rounds. I like the Ruger but not having a safety for pocket carry is a no go for me and that is how I carry these. In the pocket-no holster no nothing.
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In the pocket-no holster no nothing.
Pocket carry without a holster is not recommended. At least use a pocket holster. Lots of debris in pockets. Lint alone has buggered up the action of more than a few guns.
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Not to venture too far off topic here - but, are you comfortable with the safety in the design of the LCP II? Up front, I donít own one and havenít fired one Ė but the trigger seems like a cocked SA to me. My LCP seems just right - much better trigger pull than my old BG .380 and I can clearly see the hammer being pushed back some distance as part of the trigger pull.
It is a 6 lb trigger your LCP is 8 lb the biggest difference is the LCP has a long 8 lb pull while the LCP II a light take up to a crisp 6 lb pull. The LCP is just right for some people. To me the trigger in the LCP II feels like my M&P9c.
I have no concerns about carrying my LCP II in the pocket holster that came with it.
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My wife had a BG for about a month. Biggest problem was trigger pull. Pull the trigger on Friday and it fires on Sat. First S&W we didn't like, or keep!
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I have had a good experience with mine so far. I mean yes trigger pull is forever but Iím able to keep all 6 shots within the circles of a 8Ē target at 10 yrds. While shooting at a pretty good pace as the range will allow. I think itís just a practice issue. My only regret is that stupid laser, worthless imo


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I have had a good experience with mine so far. I mean yes trigger pull is forever but Iím able to keep all 6 shots within the circles of a 8Ē target at 10 yrds. While shooting at a pretty good pace as the range will allow. I think itís just a practice issue. My only regret is that stupid laser, worthless imo


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I agree. I think people expect a small pistol like that to handle like a full size weapon. It functions exactly as it was designed... just takes practice.
I donít have the laser version. I think that is useless too on a gun that is really a point and shoot defense weapon.


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I agree. I think people expect a small pistol like that to handle like a full size weapon. It functions exactly as it was designed... just takes practice.
I don’t have the laser version. I think that is useless too on a gun that is really a point and shoot defense weapon.


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I did not expect to find a pocket pistol that functions as much like my M&P9c as I did after having a LCP for many years & shooting an older & newer BG, but this LCP II is close, I think real close.

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