So im upgrading to a bigger gun over my Ruger LC9. Reasons, I want higher capacity, and obviously a better trigger.

So with shopping around and checking out all sorts of handguns, I have norrowed my search down to 3 guns mainly.

The s&w m-2.0 4", cz-p10c and the Beretta apx.

I had a tough time finding a p10c at first to hold and molest in the local gun stores. They had the Beretta apx instock. As soon as I held that gun it fit my hand like a glove. I absolutely loved the grip. When you shop for shows, you just know which pair of shoes fits and looks good. The apx fit my hand perfectly. Had no issues with the slide serrations, the mag release was perfect and I really didn't have to change my grip at all to manipulate it. I didn't think the trigger was bad at all, I liked it alot, the reset to me was audible.

My first impressions of the 2.0 was it didn't fit my hand like the apx does but I like everything about this one as well, the mag release is in line with the apx. I liked the trigger on this gun as well, do me the trigger reset wasn't as pronounced as the p10c or apx

I was able to get my local sportsman's Warehouse to track down a p10c. Was very excited to check out this gun and "feel her up"
I was expecting the stippling to be agressive, and it definitely is on the back strap, the sides and the front of grip are about perfect. I think the stippling can easily be tamed down with some sand paper on just the back strap... The trigger on the p10c was just as good as the other two maybe slightly better.

I think the grittyness on the grip of the m2.0 is actually slightly more aggressive then the grip on the p10c, it feels like 60 grit sandpaper.

With all that being said, this is all I can do with these guns, I have no access to renting these guns before I buy them. To me the apx feels the best in my hand, the grip just melts in my hand. I do like the other two guns just as much, I like the grip of the p10c a tiny bit more then the m-2.0, the 2.0 grip is slightly shorter and im not sure if it like that or not.

I plan to edc my next purchase, im not sure if I want to owb or iwb this gun, would the way I carry make any of these guns less attractive?

These 3 guns are basically the same price, the apx you can get the 3 mags with the mail in rebate so this has me slightly drawn to this gun from the start. But man having to decide on one of these three guns is extremely difficult. I can only buy one so don't suggest buy them all lol
I really don't think I could go wrong with either of these, but they are all still fairly new so im not sure if their has been any known issues with any of these that popped up yet?

How do you guys decide which one to go with especially if you can't try them out before you buy them? I don't know if just going with the gun that fits my hand like a glove is the best route to take?

Im also undecided how much im going to miss having a saftey on the gun or not?? I know some guys don't want any safties and some do, im unsure if I want one or not

Im sure the recoil impulse on these 3 guns is pretty much identical? Would the 2.0 have the most out of the three and the apx the least?

You say the Beretta fits your hand better than the others. I think that's a good enough reason to choose it.

The recoil on all three should feel almost like a .22 compared to your LC9.

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The P10C is my choice all the way, though I've also been loving my VP9.

The M2.0 is a far better firearm in every way than a CZ, especially the P10. The P10 is like a Canik crossed with a Hi-Point.

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P10c is said to have a fatal flaw at the moment with the striker design. There's lots of discussion and some videos about it. I would at least wait before that is resolved before buying one.

Did you try the other grips on the M&P? They can really make a difference on how it feels.

Don't worry about the grip texture, you can fine tune that easily with a little fine sandpaper.

I was excited about both the APX and P10c and as soon as my local store/range got them I quickly rented both. I was looking for my next polymer gun (after buying my first 2.0 when they hit shelves) and I found it that day. APX all day long over the CZ. I cannot express really in words how unremarkable the P10c was to me upon actual live fire. I'm not trying to brag but I'm a decent shooter and I can usually pick up just about any semi auto pistol and do pretty well right off the bat with defense style shooting. First thing I do when I test out a new handgun is put the target at 7yds, take a couple controlled shots to get my bearings and then mag dump the rest center mass. Usually with a gun I've never fired before, I end up with a group around 6 inches or less, and keep in mind, this is no sight, point and shoot rapid fire. As I get used to the gun, naturally the group's get a lot tighter. so this time around, I shot the P10c first and then the APX. My first impression picking up the CZ and dry firing was that it felt a bit like a toy...cheap. I liked the shape of the trigger shoe and the break and reset characteristics though. Upon live fire I had kind of a "meh" moment. My normal 6" or under rapid fire group was almost double that. Tried another dump to see if I was just having a slow day warming up or something...same thing. Grabbed the APX and immediately felt a distinctive quality difference. Felt great in my hand and just much more solid. Toy feeling was gone. Live fire was awesome and my group with the first mag better than my average at around 3 inches.

It seems a lot of people were pretty impressed with the little CZ but I wasn't one of them. I liked their earlier polymer hammer fired guns and shot those just fine but this one just did not like me. Maybe my store got a bad one in their rental case but for me there is just no comparison to guns like the 2.0's and the APX which are phenomenal in my opinion. And no, I'm not knocking any P10c owners out there... if it works for you, that's awesome!

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I thought the striker flaw all started when that video emerged of exactly what you are referring to, but the guy that did that video modified the gun and completely
removed and disassembled the gun several times and even put a different finish on the gun that made the tolerances tighter resulting in issues with the striker assembly?

This did concern me enough where I almost dropped it off my list

Yes out of the 3 guns the apx fit my hand the best, but it was slightly the biggest. I think it has the thickest slice of the three. Any issues of edc with this weapon?

How about holster selection with the apx? Is it slim pickings? How is the holster selection with the 2.0? Im guessing enough not to be concerned since they probably fit in the m&p first gen holsters???

When I checked out the guns I didn't ask to change out the back strap, maybe I should do that before I decide, it might just change my opinion on how the gun fits my hand over the others??

My opinions;

The APX is a nice gun. I almost bought one. Seems to be accurate and reliable. The grip is superb, the trigger is great and hopefully Beretta will be coming out with Conversion kits like SIG with the P320. It may turn into an excellent system!

The CZ P10c is having issues at the moment. I wouldn't touch one until they iron out the problems. As for the video with the striker issue, if you watch the video you will see that the problem was there BEFORE any custom work was done to the gun. There have been other reports of the same problem from other people.

The M&P 2.0 is great and is a proven reliable system.

If I were just starting out and wasn't invested in a particular system yet then I would seriously consider the APX. Although I would probably wait a couple months to see if they introduce an Exchange kit for it. Beretta could leave you high and dry like Ruger has done with the Ruger American pistol..That is a modular gun too and Ruger hasn't come out with kits for it.

The only one of the three I've actually fired is the 2.0 C9. I own two of them. I was sure I wouldn't like the grip but was wrong. For me, it feels glued to my hand. I'm not sure I will ever carry it (mostly I carry a Shield) but if so, it would only be OWB. I think the grip would tear a person's skin to shreds IWB.

What exactly are you referring to when you say "exchange kit" and leave me high and dry???
The Beretta apx is definitely very high on my list, I think if I never have picked one up and "molested" it in the store I wouldn't be so in love with it.

As for the 2.0, you make plenty sense about it being proven and reliable. How long has the first gen been out? Many years, so the 2.0 still new to the market, it still has its roots from the first version as a proven firearm. With this thinking it would make plenty sense for me to go with the 2.0 since some unexpected issues should not ever pop up going forward. Makes the decision making much more easier.

You guys do have me slightly worried with the striker issue on the p10c, pretty much as to not to pick one up now. Why hasn't cz stopped production and remedied this issue? Are they not making a big deal about this issue due to fear of scary potential customers away?? You would think they would jump on this asap and correct this going forward???
Someone was saying it feels like a toy in the hands... I guess I don't see that, it doesn't feel like a toy to me but to each his own.

I think it is best I wait on the p10c and see how it plays out, it would be foolish of me to get one and hope mine doesn't do what the video shows with the striker issue, I rather not roll the dice...

Man it's still tough deciding between the apx and or the 2.0.

The 2.0 is proven reliable from it's previous version, and the apx is the new kid on the block. Is it actually any better then the 2.0? Is the 2.0 a flat shooter just like report of how the apx shoots? I've read people saying it shoots like a .22 not exactly sure how true this is...

The APX is designed with a removable chassis just like the SIG P320. So if Beretta does what SIG has done then you will be able to buy kits to change the gun from full size to compact, sub compact, competition long slide etc. without having to buy an entire gun. The SIG kits come with a slide, barrel and plastic frame and you just remove your chassis (fire control unit) and put it in the new kit. It saves a couple hundred dollars over buying an entire gun. That's the beauty of the modular chassis system. The Ruger American Pistol also uses a modular chassis but they haven't released any kits to change the configuration of the guns. Beretta's APX has the modular chassis as well but it remains to be seen if they actually offer kits like SIG does.

Please elaborate on that!!! How so is it anywhere near those two?

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The gun in that video was altered by the owner

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Currently have almost 3k rounds through my P10c. My only problem is I'm not used to having a ambi slide release and occasionally hit it causing the slide to lock back but that is not a gun problem. I occasionally have the same problem with HK.

For the most part it feels and shoots no different than any other striker fired gun in it's class. Recoil is about the same as my carry G19 but recoil is subjective.
The trigger is better than some guns, a little worse than others. It has smoothed out a lot and accuracy is very good (I say this as someone who doesn't bench his guns). So far I've shot Aguila, Blazer, Geco, Russian steel case Brown Bear and had one Aguila round fail to go into battery. I removed that round and shot the rest of the mag just fine. I reused that round on the second mag and it gave the same problem. Once removed all ammo shot fine.

Here's mine at about 15 yards with 2 boxes of ammo (100 rounds) rapid fire with less than ideal vision.... slightly squinting



I have held the other two but not fired them. The SW felt better but I don't go of how a gun feels in hand. It doesn't say anything about how it will shoot. If I were to do it over again I probably wouldn't buy any since I have enough guns that fit that criteria. However, I traded for it so I was only out like $80. Had I not had a trade I wouldn't have bought it

Im still stuck between these guns.

Im aware of the issue with the p10c. But how many actual cases with the problem in the video above is their? Could this just be a very rare issue?

I think im going to pull the trigger on one of these today or tomorrow

I've heard of two or three including the video

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So after my second trip to feel up the 2.0 and the p10c, (Beretta apx not in stock now) to me the 2.0 grew on me alot. The 2.0 felt nice.

Not sure why the p10c felt way too plastic at the grip, almost toy-like. The 2.0 had more slop on the slide then the 2.0, not sure if this is a issue or not?
Also thought the front sight on the 2.0 was slightly better then the p10c

The trigger didn't feel bad at all on the 2.0. not too gritty like some people are saying. Definitely something I could live with


Im going with the 2.0 now over the p10c.
The 2.0 just feels more solid over the p10c. I hope im not making a mistake... Lol I always have a tough time deciding on a gun. I always have that doubt when I leave the gun store(should of got the other one)

Anyway im going back to pick it up later.

I'm in the same boat when it comes to deciding between the P10-C and the M&P full-size 2.0 in 9mm.

I'd like a P10-C to promote for the forum: CZForum.com – Welcome to our Website!

and also as a topic for my blog: CZ-ZONE.BLOG

However, since I have new Shield PC .45 for a .45 caliber carry gun.

A 2.0 would give me the same trigger and cheaper 9mm for weekly practice, or sometimes twice a week.

Both the 2.0 and 2.0 Compact that handled had nice triggers and
rivaled the (FDE) P10-C that I was also able to handle locally.

However, I'm looking @ $100 less for my cost on a P10-c over a
2.0 9mm.

My preference would be to buy both with Nites.

Most will tell you that Nites are for the M&P LE program, but
I've seen new full-size and Compacts online with Nites.

There is some talk about the P10-C (or newer P10-S) being available
with Nites from the box.

Either 9mm would be too heavy for me to carry (bad back)
and perfect for the range or home defense (tac light) duties.

Kind of a shame...as I'd also want to carry the P10-C in a Black Arch IWB.

Maybe the 2.0 as well.

So, have fun with your 2.0s and P10-Cs.

I have not held either the P10c or APX, but the P10c looks really good "on paper". If this is for concealed carry the APX may be a little big (?). I picked up a 2.0 compact last week and so far am loving it. Glock 19 sized without the Glock grip angle, and made by an American company in America (which is important to me). One thing I'd like to point out: the grips are AMAZING in the hand, by rough on iwb skin. Upon research though I found that several holster company's make iwb holsters that cover the grip of the gun. Just ordered one from my favorite White Hat Holsters. Special order about $15 over the regular. Should be good to go.

I have held all three, but have shot none of them. I like all three brands. My home defense gun is the CZ P-09 Urban Grey (holds 22 rounds!). My EDC is the Shield 9. And I love my Beretta 92FS.

All that being said, the APX is too big for me. I probably wouldn't trade in my Shield for any of them because I prefer a smaller gun. If you liked the LC9 so much, why not just get the LC9 Pro? The trigger is awesome on that gun. I know you want more capacity, but I think the capacity thing is usually a tactical defense fantasy.

Ultimately, I would probably go with the 2.0 because I think it looks better than the P-10c. I know that looks aren't everything, but it would be the tie breaker. I actually feel like the CZ would shoot better though, but that's based on shooting my other Smiths and CZs. Others have said the CZ recoils softer than other 9mm, but obviously recoil is subjective.

One more "plug" for the 2.0...I saw somewhere up on the post someone was asking about safeties. I'm not sure about the APX but I don't think the P10c has the option. The 2.0 has.

You are not making a mistake with the Compact 2.0. I picked up one a week ago. I have been shooting Glocks for a number of years and right out of the box shot the 2.0 as well as my Glocks. This was my first M & P and I love it. Another thing to consider is factory service which I have heard is good with Smith and Wesson.

I love CZs, but I prefer the stock sights on the M&P. Bigger brighter dots are easier for aging eyes to see.

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One other thought in favor of the M&P2.0C is aftermarket support. I think there are many times holsters and other parts for the M&P compared to the other two guns.