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New Shield 380 EZ... Nope. Junk.
Why!? This is the gun NOBODY asked for. Especially with a grip safety. Sorry, but nope. Keep ot.
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Just because you don't want something does not mean that other people don't want it.
Beretta's Cheetah models are selling for $700-$800, indicating that someone wants mid-size .380 pistols.
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I really, really, like my Glock 42. The Shield EZ 380, without a safety, might be in my future.
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It says right in the Julie Golob article that lots of people asked for it. Must be true.
"When we set out to design the M&P380 Shield EZ pistol, our goal was to deliver an all-around, easy to use personal protection pistol from loading and carrying, to shooting and cleaning. Throughout the development process, we focused on key areas that customers told us were important the ease of racking the slide and loading the magazine. With that in mind, we reduced the amount of force required to rack the slide, and developed a magazine that is both easy and efficient to load. We have incorporated both of these new features into the M&P380 Shield EZ pistol, allowing consumers of all statures and strengths the opportunity to own, comfortably practice with, and effectively utilize this exciting new pistol. The new M&P380 Shield EZ pistol provides an easy-to-use personal protection option for both first-time shooters and experienced handgunners alike. Jan Mladek, General Manager of M&P and S&W Brands
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if it is easier for some to rack and handle over say a Shield in 9mm, i dont see any reason to shoot it down before checking it out in person (pun intended lol).
I bet there is a market for something like this; perhaps like those with grip issues due to arthritis, age, etc but who still want a semi-auto. To me as long as it is built well and fills a need for other shooters, then it did its job.
If it isn't for me then i'll just pass on it, easy enough...
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Why!? This is the gun NOBODY asked for. Especially with a grip safety. Sorry, but nope. Keep ot.
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I can see that you might not have a use for it, but why do you think it is junk?
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This is not "junk"... it's a viable option for women and the elderly who want the advantages of a semi-auto but have trouble with racking and loading. Lots of people like this, including my mother in law who has arthritis but would love a Shield for her home defense.
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with the size of the thing according to the specs on S&W website, you might as well get a 9mm. That and for the likes of me, I can't figure out why they put a grip safety on a striker fired pistol the size of a regular shield?
Did S&W website get hacked? is this for real or a joke?
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They have geared it toward a specific market, hence the EZ name. A .380 will kick less, the slide will be easier to work, and a grip safety appeals to someone who may not be completely comfortable with a semi-auto.
I bet they sell well.
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Yep, kind of a step up from the little 380 BodyGuard, with 2.0 features and EZ racking / loading, plus up to 9 rounds without reloading.
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with the size of the thing according to the specs on S&W website, you might as well get a 9mm. That and for the likes of me, I can't figure out why they put a grip safety on a striker fired pistol the size of a regular shield?
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The pistol is not striker fired.
As to "might as well get a 9mm" my big, tough, retired-federal-agent neighbor said the same thing about his Ruger LC9 versus my wife's Ruger LC380. Then came the revelation at the range that the same pistol could be fired faster and more accurately in 380 than it could in 9mm.
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For me I just don't get it. not at all. My wife has arthritis and Fibromyalgia and she racks her Shield 9mm no sweat and she is a small mid 50's woman. This .380 Shield is a stunt at best! WHY? Its bigger than a shield and if you can rack the .380 slide you can rack the 9mm shield slide. So my personal opinion is its a gun with no purpose and a major step back from the 9mm Shield!!
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Looks like an M&P Compact .22 scaled up to .380. I like the internal hammer idea but the grip safety looks cobbled on. My M&P Compact has been 100%. Hope they’re not using an aluminum slide like the .22 - doubt it but who knows.
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Well, that is amazing.
Does it draw its inspiration from the Colt 1903 Hammerless .32 ACP pistol, introduced in 1903 and made through 1945? That too was a pocket/purse gun that is easy to carry and easy to operate, with a built-in grip safety for the non-expert. The 1903 was followed by the Colt 1908 in .380 ACP.
I like the fact S&W is daring enough to put the grip safety on this pistol. That's kind of a oblique statement on the inherent "practical" safety of striker-fired guns in general, is it not? Perhaps those with light, short triggers most of all. I mean, in the hands of people with moderate levels of familiarity, experience, and training.
The spec sheet says this is a "internal hammer fired" pistol, aka "hammerless," design, again a lot like the Colt 1903/1908. That too is well-suited to the potential market.
The barrel on this pistol, at 3.675 inches, is almost an inch longer than the 2.75 inch barrel on the 380 Bodyguard. That means an increase in muzzle velocity of the M&P 380 EZ over the Bodyguard of over 100 fps, more or less (see "Ballistics by the Inch"), which will increase the effectiveness of the .380 round and lower blast and recoil. Another good idea (the Colt 1903/1908 has a 3.75 inch barrel in most variants).
And people bought almost 600,000 of those Colt 1903 and 1908s - amazing, considering the population was a third of what it is today. Everyone from bank couriers to gangster gunsels reportedly loved them for pocket carry in the 1920's and 1930's. Variants were issued to U.S. Army general officers into the 1970s. I've got a 1903, inherited from a grandfather (on my wife's side) who was a traveling salesman in Georgia in the 1920's. It's a joy to shoot, and exceptionally easy to carry -- although made of steel (24 ounces) and not "small" (6.75 inches long). It sure is thin and handy.
Anyway, this is interesting. Some will despise it, but there is a sort of genius to it. Like that Colt 1903.
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I like it! Maybe not the grip safety so much but if it's available without the thumb safety, I'm in.
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S&W knows exactly what it's doing. Nearly 25 percent jump in female buyers from 2005-2011. Women like lots of choices and they like more than one model, see below...
Women Are 'Fastest-Growing Group of Gun Owners' - Breitbart
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That easy to rack the slide sounds good to my nearly 93 year old hands. I can rack the slide on my Shield 9mm but it is an effort. Does anyone know the price?
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The pistol is not striker fired.
As to "might as well get a 9mm" my big, tough, retired-federal-agent neighbor said the same thing about his Ruger LC9 versus my wife's Ruger LC380. Then came the revelation at the range that the same pistol could be fired faster and more accurately in 380 than it could in 9mm.
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yeah my bad, I just double checked on the specs, it's hammer fired. I am not at all in the least interested in this pistol. I hope it sells well for S&W.
I'm going to stick with my revolvers.
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That easy to rack the slide sounds good to my nearly 93 year old hands. I can rack the slide on my Shield 9mm but it is an effort. Does anyone know the price?
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$399 MSRP. Presumably sell for around $325-$350? Maybe there will be a rebate on it!
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my XDM 3.8C .45 has a grip safety on it and my wife loves that feature.I think S&W know what
they are doing. I personally have no need for something like this but if my wife wanted
to carry it , I'd say go for it.
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I believe the gun will sell well based on my experience. We have had ALLOT of women ( more than 1/2 of them elderly/limited physical capacity) come into the shop in the last year or so looking for their first carry/ home defense gun. Many have strength issues that prevent them from working the slide on many of the small 9mms with light slides and STIFF springs. Yet,many of them seem to be against a revolver ( often because revolvers don't have safety's.)
I can see the market S&W was aiming for here. It's not you, me or any other experienced shooter who likely frequent a gun forum. It's newbie's with recoil sensitivities and /or strength issues who still want a semi auto handgun. I think this one will be a good fit for them.
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Looks to me the grip safety is the trade off for no trigger blade and a really light trigger. No, this is not an upgrade for current shield owners, but it targets a new demographic for s&w.
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I can see that you might not have a use for it, but why do you think it is junk?
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Its a worthless design. A backstrap safety? Really? Why? This is the reason I absolutely refuse to ever own a Springfield.
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Its a worthless design. A backstrap safety? Really? Why? This is the reason I absolutely refuse to ever own a Springfield.
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Yeah, a grip safety, like those worthless old 1911s have. What kind of wimp needs a safety to carry around a pistol with a fully cocked hammer and a light trigger?
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If you don't want one, don't get one. No one is forcing you to buy it.
I'm relatively certain that S&W didn't develop this pistol for the experts on the Forum.
There's a market for a gun that's comfortable to handle in a caliber that's accepted for self-defense. That market is currently dominated by Ruger, Glock, and some of the less-expensive brands. This looks like it's geared toward first-time buyers who want something that's super-simple to use but has safety features that will make them less-fearful of using it. It will be interesting to see how well it sells.
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I really wish we would have just gotten a Shield chambered in 380 with just a new mag, barrel and reocoil spring.
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Even though it's called a Shield, it appears to be based on the M&P 22 Compact. A marketing move, I guess. This would be a perfect gun for my wife. She's small and not very strong, and can only rack .380s. She has a SIG P250 .380 DAO. It's easy for her to use, but it has a long trigger pull. She'd prefer something lighter with a single-action trigger that's just as safe and simple to operate. The no-thumb safety version appears to fulfill that requirement. Now, if it's only reliable...
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Yup, like others have said, this is not targeted at us. This is for first-time, non-gun people and oldsters. I wish S&W good sales.
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I have read it is hammer fired, But is it DAO or DA/SA? No spec's on that or trigger weight. Maybe I missed it? Also... Locked Breech or Blowback?
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Lots of people wanted a 380 Shield. I did. There's a whole thread in here about it somewhere.I wish it were a true Shield though
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At first glance, I think the .380 Shield is brilliant because it should be more user friendly to the novice, recoil averse, and hand strength challenged.
My first foray from revolvers to semi-autos was a SIG P238 because I could rack the slide easily. That SIG is a great but snappy platform. The larger Shield .380 should be less snappy thus easier to shoot, and the .380 ballistics have to benefit from the longer barrel.
If it had a decocker instead of the thumb safety, I'd consider it myself.
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Why!? This is the gun NOBODY asked for. Especially with a grip safety. Sorry, but nope. Keep ot.
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Do you have one? Have you shot one? Why is it junk?
Some folks like 380 in a larger size?
You have a "Sent from my LG-H932 using Tapatalk"??
Who wants one of those, compared to Apple they are junk
OH look! There is a thread on these a few posts down!
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You are asking a rational question to somebody who wrote a click-bait headline. It was just a troll trying to get some attention IMO.
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I would guess that the 380 Shield was also developed for sale in foreign countries where it is prohibited for civilians to posses pistols of military caliber. I would like it better if the grip safety could be deactivated by pinning it.
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New Shield 380 EZ... Nope. Junk.
Looks like a great gun and if my wife would get into guns would be a good one for her. Probably not as snappy as a shield 9 or 40. If accurate and reliable why not.
Dont like it dont buy it but dont say it is junk until you shoot it or have seen it. Smh.
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This is not "junk"... it's a viable option for women and the elderly who want the advantages of a semi-auto but have trouble with racking and loading. Lots of people like this, including my mother in law who has arthritis but would love a Shield for her home defense.
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This would be the same reason I'm interested in the gun. My wife has no hand strength and now we have a M & P 22C in the house for her. She can rack the slide and shoots it quite well, but I've yet to find a gun in higher calibers that she can rack. She also has to use a Hilljack quickie loader to load the magazines. This could be the answer. And it would make me happy that she had something other then rimfire for protection.
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How many threads a week do you see "what is the best handgun for someone with limited hand strength?"
This ain't for run and gun IDPA, jumping out of airplanes special forces, high speed low drag super ninja, etc etc.
Great idea and I hope that it exceeds expectations and does well. I like it has an ample rail for a light / laser.
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Even at more than twice the price I think I'd still go for a Beretta Cheetah.
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Yeah, a grip safety, like those worthless old 1911s have. What kind of wimp needs a safety to carry around a pistol with a fully cocked hammer and a light trigger?
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1911's have a thumb safety so a grip safety is not needed!
In fact JMB designed the 1911 without it but the Army demanded one be added!
Since the 1970's I've shot at least twenty 1911's and none had a "light trigger"!
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1911's have a thumb safety so a grip safety is not needed!
In fact JMB designed the 1911 without it but the Army demanded one be added!
Since the 1970's I've shot at least twenty 1911's and none had a "light trigger"!
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Guess it depends on what you define a "light" trigger as?
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Yeah, a grip safety, like those worthless old 1911s have. What kind of wimp needs a safety to carry around a pistol with a fully cocked hammer and a light trigger?
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Is the Shield .380 a single action?
Adding that grip safety means more internal parts, more things to fail, one more way for the user to create problems if they don't have a good grip. On an XD you can't even rack the slide without depressing the grip safety, I hope that's not the case here.
If you want a .380 with a good trigger, manual safety and easy to rack slide, there's already the Sig P238.
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I have been wanting a 380...
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with the size of the thing according to the specs on S&W website, you might as well get a 9mm.
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Just because you can make a gun capable of shooting 9mm the size of one that shoots .380 doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. In fact, I even prefer my .380's to be no smaller than a Sig P230/232 or Beretta Cheetah/Browning BDA. And I'm a badass.....
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Ya know.......although it can be referred to as a geriatric gun and I ain't there yet the more I think about it the more I see the sense in it. First off there is no reason why one would disparage any company for putting another product on the shelf. Maybe one day when I get old and feeble this might very well be the gun I keep under my leg blanket-for now it doesn't fit in my lineup. BUT what I DO like is the little wings to assist in slide racking as well as the little button on the mag to allow for easier loading. Why every magazine doesn't have one of these is a mystery to me. I also like the internal hammer over the striker and LIKE safeties on my guns. If the grip safety offends you, I would suggest holding it closed while the bead of JB weld around it to seal it shut cures (use the quick cure it sets in about 6 minutes). Touch up and smooth the bead with a dremel and you will have eliminated the chance of failure with a seamless grip..
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Originally Posted by FloridaS&W
This is not "junk"... it's a viable option for women and the elderly who want the advantages of a semi-auto but have trouble with racking and loading. Lots of people like this, including my mother in law who has arthritis but would love a Shield for her home defense.
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I don't get that thinking..
I have arthritis and small guns are difficult to rack(.)
and a 380 is snappier than a 9mm..
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I've done some more research, and the more I look - the more I like it. I have a SIG 238 but it's very heavy (thick slide) for a .380. The BG380 is out of the question. LCP II may be OK for some folks - but I don't like the fact that it appears to be 95% cocked with no safety. I really like the Kahr's - just ordered an S9 - but the effort to rack the slide is crazy. Beretta Pico is a maybe, but I haven't handled one - and no safety. I have a Glock 42 and like it - but I would like it a lot better with a manual safety. I think they have a winner on their hands - 'specially if the grip safety can be pinned or glued down. There's no grip safety on the M&P Compact .22 - maybe they'll offer a version without the grip safety.
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I've done some more research, and the more I look - the more I like it. I have a SIG 238 but it's very heavy (thick slide) for a .380. The BG380 is out of the question. LCP II may be OK for some folks - but I don't like the fact that it appears to be 95% cocked with no safety. I really like the Kahr's - just ordered an S9 - but the effort to rack the slide is crazy. Beretta Pico is a maybe, but I haven't handled one - and no safety. I have a Glock 42 and like it - but I would like it a lot better with a manual safety. I think they have a winner on their hands - 'specially if the grip safety can be pinned or glued down. There's no grip safety on the M&P Compact .22 - maybe they'll offer a version without the grip safety.
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I agree, if they removed the grip safety this would be a far more attractive gun. I cannot think of a single reason to include one on a gun that already has a thumb safety, unless there is just some huge crowd of new gun buyers clamoring for two manual safeties that I haven't encountered....
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Personally, I am intrigued by the gun. When my arthritis presented a real problem racking my pistol I bought. Remington 380. I chose it because it was low recoil, easy to rack, and it had a 2.9 inch barrel. With velocity and energy influenced by barrel length the RM380 had an advantage over other subcompact pistols.
This new M&P 380 has a barrel juts a tad under 4 inches. That might put it in a class that has enough barrel length to actually generate enough velocity to make a HP mushroom unlike subcompact 380s.
I will be interested in how it tests out in reviews of the gun and its ballistics.
Re the grip safety, it would not bother me for a second. Once I reached senior staff no I carried a 1911 with all its safety features. None of the were a problem. Fact is that I would have done away with the thumb safety and just had the grip safety with the half cock safety.
However, after rehab, I can now work with my 9mm without problems, so a 380 is not in the cards for me.
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New Shield 380 EZ... Nope. Junk.
Love the BG 380. Like the shield. Absolutely hate this. If you want a shield EZ add the EZ features onto the 9mm. JMO. No problem with them adding a new product. Just definitely not for me, or anyone I know for that matter. The people I know that cannot rack a slide prefer dao revolvers. Nothing wrong with options though i guess. Would rather see s&w put time and money into something else though.
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