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Old 03-24-2018, 12:07 PM
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Walther brought out the CCP which was made to be less recoil, and easer to load and all they made was jamming queen.
all you had to do was think about limp wrist and it would jam. I wonder how this pistol is going to perform in the long run. Yes I know there are people out there that just rave about how great the CCP is.
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Old 03-24-2018, 01:26 PM
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I brought my .380 Shield EZ and month ago
and I Love her. After owning Smith stainless .357 revolvers since the 70s my EZ is my first automatic. My EZ is now my daily carry. My other carry is my 640Pro Series. Great shooter with no jamming issues after 2 trips and 150 rounds at the range (some rapid fire). Very easy to rack and feels great in my hand. I always wanted an auto that acted like a revolver just point and shoot double action and my EZ is it. I brought the No manual safety model because the grip safety in my mind is enough.
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Old 03-24-2018, 06:12 PM
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I messaged another owner of a 380EZ asking how they got one so fast as I understand they just came out last February. I ordered one from a police supply near my house and was told it would take 3 weeks to a couple months for it to come in because S&W was inconsistent in their deliveries. Now the salesman might have meant the distributor but he said S&W. How did all you owners of the EZ get them so fast? I live in S/E Wisconsin and no gun shops near me have them yet.
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I messaged another owner of a 380EZ asking how they got one so fast as I understand they just came out last February. I ordered one from a police supply near my house and was told it would take 3 weeks to a couple months for it to come in because S&W was inconsistent in their deliveries. Now the salesman might have meant the distributor but he said S&W. How did all you owners of the EZ get them so fast? I live in S/E Wisconsin and no gun shops near me have them yet.
Grabagun has them in stock with and without thumb safety for $369.00. The are out there.

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Old 03-25-2018, 10:05 AM
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I too live in WI and have not seen a 380ez in person or any store yet.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:42 AM
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I final got to handle an no safety EZ on Thursday. I've been curious about this pistol since its introduction. My wife because of nerve damage has no grip strength in her hands. She can no longer rack the slide on her 9mm Shield. I hope to get her into the shop to give the EZ a try.

There is a lot to like about this pistol. The slide really take very little effort to rack. It has a great trigger. The magazines should be easy to load by hand. The grip safety is unobtrusive. The slide lock can also be easily released without slip shooting the slide.

The one thing I was also curious about was the size compared to her 9mm Shield. Holding the EZ beside a 9mm PC Shield to compare size was interesting. It is about a 1/2 inch longer. The width is virtually identical to the 9mm Shield. The height is just a tad shorter than the 9mm Shield with the extended magazine and pretty close to my 45 Shield. The texture on the grip is a less aggressive than that on my 45 Shield and might be easier on your skin when carrying.

As I gun guy I really get it. What will be interesting is wether the intended market will get it. As someone one that spends time on the sales side of the counter one of the things I have found is new shooters, especially new female shooters tend to be drawn toward tiny guns. As most of us know little .380s tend to be a handful. New shooters buy them, go to the range and are done with them before they have gone through a whole box of shells. The EZ is huge when compared to the Body Guard and other micro .380 pistols and I wonder if it will be its down fall with the intended market. The EZ should be an easy gun to conceal but will that beginner shooter that lacks hand strength, female or male, will see it that way. That will be the question.

I suspect my better half will get it but she is in no way a beginner. She is a shooter that because of issues beyond her control can no longer rack the average slide.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:20 AM
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Thanks Bob, but the one I ordered here was $349. If I sent for one out of state I would have had to pay transfer fees besides tax and background check. I gave my request for the EZ on March 9th. I'll see how long it takes.
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Old 03-29-2018, 05:32 PM
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I fondled one at my LGS today and hesitatingly handed it back. It sure racked easily and the little button on the mags was nice. Not sure if I'm sold on the grip safety but I spose you'd get used to it.
I almost handed him my debit card, but he said he would have some rentals in soon so I decided to wait until I could test fire one at his range.
His price was $375, could get it cheaper online but then I'd have to pay a transfer fee.
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Old 03-29-2018, 05:44 PM
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hey WI peeps, i saw online that the Cabelas in Sun Prairie showed one model out and one with limited stock, but both (safety or non) listed 5-8 days to store at $379 if ordered online. I didnt check the other WI stores though.

So not sure your locations vs any Cabelas, but that may be an option.
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:28 PM
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Got to handle both safety and non-safety models at the Cabela's in Greenville SC. Very impressed how the design fits a certain niche beautifully.

I'd definitely point a shooter toward it, if users prove it dependable.
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Old 03-29-2018, 06:43 PM
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I also handled one at a LGS on the way to work, very nice! Could not believe how easy the slide racked and did not even notice the grip safety. I noticed the small "ears" on end of slide but only because I had read about them, and they were unobtrusive. I will have to show daughter as she was wanting her own firearm. The chambering doesn't concern me as I believe that proper bullet construction and proper placement are paramount.
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LGS had 2 of them. After appropriate fondling one came home with me; intended for the wife, of course. Well, I had to try it out before I give it to her and it was mostly impressive. I shot pretty well with it; not a target gun by any means, but then again, neither am I any more.

However......one issue with the one magazine that I brought with me:

Last round FTL's 3 out of 12 times. In one instance the last round was completely ejected from the magazine without chambering; 2 others the last round was left standing straight up, 90 degrees to the chamber, unfired (obviously)and blocking the slide. This occurred with the magazine both fully and partially loaded. I suspect that I've got an overly strong spring that may improve with use. I've only put around 100 rounds through it and will give it a few more range visits before I profess it to be a significant problem. At this time my edition is not ready for prime time. -S2
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:14 PM
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What Speedo2 reported is what I am wondering about in this pistol. I hope I get more range reports and I hope they are good reports. thanks
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Old 03-30-2018, 12:33 AM
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I saw the Cabela's in Richfield, WI now has them and maybe all the Cabela stores do. But that's still $30 more then the one I ordered. I can wait. That 30 bucks will buy a couple boxes of .380's. Meanwhile I'll still carry my 9mm Shield.
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In one instance the last round was completely ejected from the magazine without chambering;
I saw a video on YouTube where the gun ejected both a spent shell and an unfired round. Weird. I am glad that I have not encountered this. I would bet on the magazine, and I would put that one aside for now.

I have been chronographing ammo and learned that the gun shoots very close to advertised specs on ammo compared to shorter barreled guns. The 90 grain premium offerings (Hornady Critical Defense, Hornady Custom, Federal Hydra Shock) tend to run a little slower (972-994 out of 1000) while the Winchester PDX1 (95 grain), Federal HST (99 grain) and Buffalo Bore standard pressure hard cast (100 grain) beat factory specs. The 90 grain ammo is very mild and is easy to shoot.

I have not shot the gun enough to call it reliable enough to rely upon, but I am thinking that it will be a great choice for the shooter who is not committed to shooting regularly.
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Finally got my EZ with thumb safety to the range yesterday and put 50 commercial rounds of ball ammo through it followed by 50 rounds of reloads. No problems encountered. Then put 35-40 rounds of personal defense ammo, Gold Dot, Silvertip, Hornady etc., through it. Of this total, had 5-6 incidents of the thumb safety being engaged. Right handed shooter with large to extra large hands depending on brand of gloves I have purchased in the past. Got home and called S&W to see if they were doing any thumb safety mods and was told no. My conclusion is this is a great soft shooter that I will either trade for one without the thumb safety or sell to a permit qualified individual with small hands. For now, will stay with my other 380s for carry and 9s for home use. I had seen the posts concerning the thumb safety and large hands, but said to myself it could not happen to me since I had been using 1911 45s since the mid 60s. Should have taken notice.
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Old 03-31-2018, 03:33 PM
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I got the new .380 Shield EZ and have spent two days breaking it in and discovering problems.
First of all, I am not a novice!.. I shot with the Navy for almost 10 years and received my DESTINGUISHED PISTOL SHOT badge in 1964.
Three problems have been found during my last two days of shooting. Some of it is probably partly my fault but I know others have found these same problems, and possibly a fix.
First of all, I found the gun shooting low and to the left. I don't think this is a gun problem as much as it is the two handed grip. I know this is now the norm, but for years I shot a .45 single handed at 25 and 50 yards and rarely was out of the black.
The two handed grip has a tendency to push the sight alignment to the left and down. This can be corrected but it will involve the way I hold the gun.
The second problem was the trigger NOT resetting after every shot. It didn't happen to often but occasionally I would have to regrip the gun to get it to reset the trigger. I found out that the grip that I am using has a tendency to not hold the grip tightly enough to allow the trigger to reset. Again my problem.
Thirdly, out of the first 300 rounds, I experienced two stove piped unfired rounds. This may improve as the gun wares in.
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First off I wish to thank you for your service to our great country Sir.

Now pertaining to your post. Do you have large hands? Hitting low left of the bulls-eye sounds like a classic case of too much finger on the trigger. This will cause you to push the pistol down and left as you squeeze the trigger. Try engaging the trigger with just the pad of your finger tip. Your second problem may be caused by you not allowing the trigger to come forward far enough to reset after the shot. As for the few stovepipes, is it possible that you "limp wristed" the pistol on those occasions?

Now I know it sounds like I'm throwing all the blame on you sir and I mean no disrespect. You certainly are more experienced than I am with the model 1911. I don't know how much experience you have with modern polymer framed pistols. Polymer framed guns have some unique quirks that only pertain to them.
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Finally got my EZ with thumb safety to the range yesterday and put 50 commercial rounds of ball ammo through it followed by 50 rounds of reloads. No problems encountered. Then put 35-40 rounds of personal defense ammo, Gold Dot, Silvertip, Hornady etc., through it. Of this total, had 5-6 incidents of the thumb safety being engaged. Right handed shooter with large to extra large hands depending on brand of gloves I have purchased in the past. Got home and called S&W to see if they were doing any thumb safety mods and was told no. My conclusion is this is a great soft shooter that I will either trade for one without the thumb safety or sell to a permit qualified individual with small hands. For now, will stay with my other 380s for carry and 9s for home use. I had seen the posts concerning the thumb safety and large hands, but said to myself it could not happen to me since I had been using 1911 45s since the mid 60s. Should have taken notice.
I have also had the problem of the safety engaging and have sent mine back to S&W.Will be interested in seeing if and how they can correct the problem
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The second problem was the trigger NOT resetting after every shot. It didn't happen to often but occasionally I would have to regrip the gun to get it to reset the trigger. I found out that the grip that I am using has a tendency to not hold the grip tightly enough to allow the trigger to reset. Again my problem.
One thing I noticed in function testing the gun is that, if the trigger is pulled before the grip safety is sufficiently depressed, the gun will not fire after the grip safety is depressed. The trigger must be released to the reset position and then pulled again to allow the gun to fire. Is it possible that your hand is releasing the grip safety between shots and you are pulling the trigger before re-establishing the grip adequately? I am just throwing that out as a possibility.
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My local gun range has one on the rental line and all I can say is .........WOW. Every 380 I've tried or owned in the past has been rather snappy, even the ones that were harder to rack due to a stiffer recoil spring.

The EZ is so easy to rack that I thought for sure, it would be even snappier than the rest. I am pleased to say I was wrong. This one is an unbelievably soft shooter and had zero malfunctions despite the fact that it looked as if it hadn't been cleaned in awhile.
I'm guessing he only cleans them at the end of the day and I was not the first one to rent it that day.
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Finally picked one up, Have not shot it yet. Like what I see so far.
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Finally got to the range yesterday and ran 150 rounds through the EZ. Not so much as a hiccup out of it. Very happy with it so far. I bought it for my fiancée and think I will be getting one for myself as well.


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We've sold 21 so far . All over the counter including one for our ccw classes .
The only customer feedback we've received has been positive .
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One thing I noticed in function testing the gun is that, if the trigger is pulled before the grip safety is sufficiently depressed, the gun will not fire after the grip safety is depressed. The trigger must be released to the reset position and then pulled again to allow the gun to fire. Is it possible that your hand is releasing the grip safety between shots and you are pulling the trigger before re-establishing the grip adequately? I am just throwing that out as a possibility.
That is exactly the problem. After further inspection, I find that the spring tension is causing me to release the grip just enough to prevent trigger reset. I am going to try to find a way to soften that spring!.
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My local gun range has one on the rental line and all I can say is .........WOW. Every 380 I've tried or owned in the past has been rather snappy, even the ones that were harder to rack due to a stiffer recoil spring.

The EZ is so easy to rack that I thought for sure, it would be even snappier than the rest. I am pleased to say I was wrong. This one is an unbelievably soft shooter and had zero malfunctions despite the fact that it looked as if it hadn't been cleaned in awhile.
I'm guessing he only cleans them at the end of the day and I was not the first one to rent it that day.
Were all the other 380s you have used been straight blowback designs? The 380 EZ is a locked breech gun, so the recoil is much tamer.
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I have also had the problem of the safety engaging and have sent mine back to S&W.Will be interested in seeing if and how they can correct the problem
Sent mine back today as well. Instructed them to fix it or take the thumb safety off.
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Well, after reading the posts on here so far, I just ordered one from Tombstone Tactical, the price was $348.54 so I hope mine works as good as yours. No safety has given me any problem so far and this will be for my daughter in the long run.

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This gun was not designed to fire +P or hot ammo (manual says NO +P). The reason you have a round ejecting from the mag to the ground and one chambering is the ammo. I had a 10mm Smith model #1006 that did that with hot ammo and needed a 20lb recoil spring to replace the #18 one from the factory to correct the problem. At some point there will be heavier recoil springs on the market to replace the stock one but will the frame etc. hold up to heavier recoil?

What makes this gun so easy to rack the slide is a weaker recoil spring. I believe the gun will be totally reliable with standard defense ammo but as always,you need to find what the gun will shoot. It is also possible the other issues you are having is also ammo related.

There is a lot of discussion about trigger reset. When you are under stress you WILL NOT be thinking about resetting your trigger. As a civilian I would NOT train using that procedure! The last thing you need in a self defense situation is to press the trigger-release the trigger and press it again and nothing happens because you did not let the trigger out far enough to reset. JMO.
Many years ago when shooting a revolver for State requlification,that happened to me with a new,unfamiliar gun. I was short stroking the trigger. The factory rep shot it a few weeks later and said there was no problem with the gun. (My bad).

Everyone enjoy their new EZ. I am waiting for the LGS to put one in rental so I can shoot it (hands getting weaker with age). This gun maybe my next carry pistol to replace my 9mm shield. I carry a 2” J frame size 38 Special revolver now with 2 speed strips for backup ammo.

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My wife and I just bought two of them. She has yet to shoot hers (tomorrow) but I have put 150 rounds through mine and love it. In fact I just qualified for the Texas LTC wit it. Easy to rack and easy to load the magazines. Similar to my FS 22. I carry a Shield 9 and was having trouble completely racking the slide. Changed the recoil spring with one from Stainless and works a lot better. At this time I don’t know if the 380 will replace my Shield as a carry weapon, but time will tell. This gun is for us older folks and those who don’t have a lot of hand strength.
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My new 380EZ came in today and hopefully I will get to shoot it tomorrow. I ran a few dummy rounds loaded with Hornady XTP's and they wanted to hang up some what, so I polished the feed ramp and it smoothed out some what. Just needs to be fired I think. Oh, and I did clean and oil it. Not a fan of the grip safety but I know why it is there, sure has a nice trigger pull. I will get back after I shoot it.
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I just saw a post over on Sig Forum that says S&W has suspended sales of the thumb safety version of the .380 EZ. I haven't yet had the money to get one and I guess that has been a blessing in disguise (if the sales suspension is true).
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Have not seen the post on Sig forum, but when I called my LGS yesterday to see if they hadt the non thumb safety model, the owner informed me that the model without the thumb safety had been recalled. Guess I'll just wait and see what S&W has to say. Regardless, my EZ with thumb safety arrived back at S&W yesterday to get the TS problem resolved.
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I stopped by a store last night - sporting goods manager said they had gotten several in, but that they were called back by the distributor before they could get them logged in. He didn't say what version, but I wasn't much on asking either.

(I used the word "recalled" in another thread, and got jumped all over because it is supposedly an "upgrade", so I've edited my comments. Not much difference in my mind. They want it back to fix, they pay the freight, good enough).

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Don't know about any recall but I shot this thing a few minutes ago and am very impressed with the gun. I put 150 rounds without any problem except not gripping the gun for the grip safety, but I got used to that real quick. This thing is better to me than all of the other descriptions I have read. As said before all of the 380" I have shot were snappy in my hand bit not this one. It is real smooth. I put 50 Sig 95gr,, 50 S&B 90gr and 50 of my reloads with 95gr hardcast bullets. No problem with the safety for me.
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Now if you have read kahless 's post, we get to send our 380ez's back to S&W. The news is on the S&W web site

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Here's the skinny, straight from S&W's site:

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M&P®380 SHIELD™ EZ™ Consumer Advisory

Like any firearm, the function of the M&P®380 Shield™ EZ™ Manual Thumb Safety pistol can be influenced by the type and quality of ammunition used with the pistol. In the case of the M&P 380 Shield EZ Manual Thumb Safety, we have found that in very rare circumstances, ammunition that produces a high level of felt recoil can cause the manual safety to move from the fire to the “safety on” position during firing. Should this occur, you will not be able to fire the next round unless and until the manual safety is reset to the fire position.

At Smith & Wesson, we are committed to designing and producing firearms that meet the highest quality and performance standards. To ensure that every Smith & Wesson handgun meets our standards for reliability and performance, as of April 4, 2018, we have engineered the manual safety so that it will be less susceptible to the influence of ammunition weight, velocity and loads. Any M&P 380 Shield EZ Manual Thumb Safety pistol produced before April 4, is eligible for a no-cost upgrade. To determine if this consumer advisory applies to your pistol, please utilize our serial number verification tool on our consumer advisory page. CLICK HERE to navigate to that page.

If your pistol is subject to this advisory, please call Smith & Wesson at 1-800-331-0852 or email us at MP380EZAdvisory@Smith-Wesson.com. A FedEx return label and shipping instructions to facilitate the return of your M&P 380 Shield EZ pistol will be mailed to you promptly. If you have any questions, you may call 1-800-331-0852 for more information.

WARNING: READ AND FOLLOW THE WARNINGS IN YOUR OWNER’S MANUAL. NEVER USE “PLUS-P” (+P), “PLUS-P-PLUS” (+P+); OR RELOADED AMMUNITION WITH THE M&P 380 EZ. ALWAYS USE FACTORY MANUFACTURED AMMUNITION PRODUCED TO SAAMI SPECIFICATIONS.
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FYI, none of the 30 personal defense ammo rounds I fired through my EZ were +P. They were Hornady, Gold Dot and Remington Golden Saber.
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My experience is limited to 50 rounds of this Fiocchi ammo. But this ammo caused the safety to engage after each round I fired from my friend's EZ until I began riding the safety with my thumb.
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I did go to the gun show in Pasadena yesterday and they were not told to stop selling the 380ez with the safety but other stores in this area were told to stop.
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UPDATE: I called S&W today and gave them my serial number (NCC062x) and they said “Send her in.” Two minutes later I had a FedEx Express label in my email, and I shipped the gun off today (9 Apr). Will update when I get the gun back.

Also, I asked about when the channel would be “full” of upgraded pistols, so you could be assured of getting “a good one.” She thought maybe a few months to catch up.

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I did go to the gun show in Pasadena yesterday and they were not told to stop selling the 380ez with the safety but other stores in this area were told to stop.
That just means some did not get the message or they decided to pass the problem on to the customer.
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Me too, I e-mailed S&W on Sat and got the packing slip this morning and shipped it off
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am going to wait for feedback from those who had Smith fix their EZ's before thinking about sending mine back. have had no problems with mine so far. very nice pistol....i'm impressed.
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one of the reasons I sent mine back is if I ever try selling the pistol I can say it was upgraded. And I might give it to my daughter and if so I want it to work without any problems.
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My "no thumb safety" EZ from Brownells arrived today. Just cleaned it and plan to hit the range later this week. Having fired the thumb safety version, I definitely prefer the NTS version that I purchased. Those safety levers (even if/when they work properly) are too large to suit me...
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250 rounds down range today from my EZ NTS...used 4 different brands of ammo, Perfecta, Winchester white box, Hornady Critical Defense, and Federal Premium HST.
Zero issues. Life is good.
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Like Christak I purchased a non safety model this week from Brownell’s, 200 rounds of PMC FMJ and she ran like a well oiled sewing machine throwing brass and emptying mags as fast as I could get the two reloaded. The pistol has nothing but positives for me although a bit large for carry, it has an honored space in the safe, next to the Compact .22 which is exactly the same size. Definitely a keeper, probably add a light for night use in my home.
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Me too, I e-mailed S&W on Sat and got the packing slip this morning and shipped it off
Mine is on its way back to S&W now, too.
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