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Old 04-06-2018, 10:24 AM
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I just got off the phone with Smith customer
service because I noticed on this forum that there was a factory recall on the .380 M&P Shield EZ due to the manual safety. There have been reports about LGS telling customers that. Smith service told me there is NO recall on .380 Shield EZ. The only recall on M&P was back in 2013, long before the .380 Shield EZ which just came out early in 2018. As you know "If it's on the Internet it must be true."
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What you said may be true that no recall has been issued (yet) but I can tell you that at least one major distributor sent an email to their dealers asking them to stop selling the gun while they investigate an issue. This request to stop selling was only on the gun with the thumb safety.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:48 AM
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Interesting, first I've heard of it. What's the issue?
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Interesting, first I've heard of it. What's the issue?
Some folk claim the safety is coming on of its own accord under recoil. Video evidence on YouTube suggests it is usually the strong hand thumb knuckle doing it with those folks who insist on a high so hold they have flesh rolling up over the beavertail.
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A local store had theirs pulled back by the distributor before they ever went on the shelf. Talked to the manager about it, he had to handle it.

No idea why or how, but his were pulled and returned. Don't know if it was a "recall" or not.
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Some folk claim the safety is coming on of its own accord under recoil. Video evidence on YouTube suggests it is usually the strong hand thumb knuckle doing it with those folks who insist on a high so hold they have flesh rolling up over the beavertail.
THAT MAKES SENSE. S&W MAY SIMPLY CHALK IT UP TO "OPERATOR ERROR", RATHER THAN TRYING TO MODIFY THE WEAPON, TO MAKE IT IDIOT-PROOF......
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What others have said is what is being investigated. Some people are claiming that the thumb safety is activing by itself. It very well could be an issue with how the gun is being gripped and people may be hitting it without even knowing it but that is what is being investigated. I have 3 in my inventory with the thumb safety just sitting waiting for further instruction.

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There are recalls and there are "voluntary upgrades".

Here are the formal S&W recalls:

Recalls | Smith & Wesson.

The 2013 "recall" was for the Shield.

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I personally sent my 380EZ back to the factory because it was activating the thumb safety under recoil.The first couple of times it did this I assumed it was my fault.The next 5 times it happened,I made sure that it was the pistol itself causing the malfunction..I returned the pistol to S&W two weeks ago and have not received any contact from them yet.
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If the pistol is held properly, the thumb safety activating under recoil would be impossible.
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:55 PM
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I just got off the phone with Smith customer service because I noticed on this forum that there was a factory recall on the .380 M&P Shield EZ due to the manual safety. There have been reports about LGS telling customers that. Smith service told me there is NO recall on .380 Shield EZ. The only recall on M&P was back in 2013, long before the .380 Shield EZ which just came out early in 2018. As you know "If it's on the Internet it must be true."
...and if a company's customer service rep says it then it MUST be gospel...
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Old 04-06-2018, 02:04 PM
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1. I have the model without a safety.
2. My strong hand would be on the other side, even if it had a safety.
3. There ARE some benefits to being left handed.
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Old 04-06-2018, 02:51 PM
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1. I have the model without a safety.
2. My strong hand would be on the other side, even if it had a safety.
3. There ARE some benefits to being left handed.
It's an ambidextrous safety...there is a lever on both sides. I experienced the safety "engaging on its own" personally with a friend's handgun. Unless I rode the safety with my thumb on top of it, it would engage after every shot I took. I was impressed with the gun otherwise and actually have the NTS variant on order. Expect delivery Tuesday.
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Purchase the No-thumb safety variant (seems redundant with the grip safety anyway) and you will have no problems with the "auto safety" issue.
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Unless I rode the safety with my thumb on top of it,...
That's the proper way to hold it.

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Purchase the No-thumb safety variant (seems redundant with the grip safety anyway) and you will have no problems with the "auto safety" issue.
The 1911 was originally made with only a grip safety. The government demanded a thumb safety so, Browning added it. The original M&P was made without a thumb safety, but customers asked for it so S&W added it.

The entire M&P series is completely safe without a thumb safety. There is no need for one and it's superfluous in my mind. The 1911 is safe without a thumb safety too, but you don't want to open that can-o-worms.
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Old 04-06-2018, 04:17 PM
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Different gun but related issue. Before I sold my SW22 Victory a few times I did inadvertently turn the safety switch on during matches.

Stuff like this makes me appreciate revolvers even more
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It's a consumer advisory, not a recall.

Smith & Wesson Issues M&P 380 SHIELD EZ Consumer Advisory - The Truth About Guns
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Old 04-06-2018, 05:57 PM
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Straight from the S&W site:

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M&P®380 SHIELD™ EZ™ Consumer Advisory

Like any firearm, the function of the M&P®380 Shield™ EZ™ Manual Thumb Safety pistol can be influenced by the type and quality of ammunition used with the pistol. In the case of the M&P 380 Shield EZ Manual Thumb Safety, we have found that in very rare circumstances, ammunition that produces a high level of felt recoil can cause the manual safety to move from the fire to the “safety on” position during firing. Should this occur, you will not be able to fire the next round unless and until the manual safety is reset to the fire position.

At Smith & Wesson, we are committed to designing and producing firearms that meet the highest quality and performance standards. To ensure that every Smith & Wesson handgun meets our standards for reliability and performance, as of April 4, 2018, we have engineered the manual safety so that it will be less susceptible to the influence of ammunition weight, velocity and loads. Any M&P 380 Shield EZ Manual Thumb Safety pistol produced before April 4, is eligible for a no-cost upgrade. To determine if this consumer advisory applies to your pistol, please utilize our serial number verification tool on our consumer advisory page. CLICK HERE to navigate to that page.

If your pistol is subject to this advisory, please call Smith & Wesson at 1-800-331-0852 or email us at [email protected]. A FedEx return label and shipping instructions to facilitate the return of your M&P 380 Shield EZ pistol will be mailed to you promptly. If you have any questions, you may call 1-800-331-0852 for more information.

WARNING: READ AND FOLLOW THE WARNINGS IN YOUR OWNER’S MANUAL. NEVER USE “PLUS-P” (+P), “PLUS-P-PLUS” (+P+); OR RELOADED AMMUNITION WITH THE M&P 380 EZ. ALWAYS USE FACTORY MANUFACTURED AMMUNITION PRODUCED TO SAAMI SPECIFICATIONS.
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:06 PM
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Here are the formal S&W recalls:
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The 2013 "recall" was for the Shield.
Even THAT recall wasn't actually a Recall... It was a Safety Alert, with a 'Self Test'.
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Even THAT recall wasn't actually a Recall... It was a Safety Alert, with a 'Self Test'.
It doesn't matter what industry calls them, the public will call it a recall no matter what.
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This is straight from Smith and Wesson's website

M&P(R)380 SHIELD™ EZ™ Consumer Advisory | Smith & Wesson
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I think it's interesting that pistols designed and sold "Military and Police" have a real problem with +P ammunition. Which is the ammo preferred by Military and Police. Maybe the line should be called "Range and Safe".
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I tried to buy a no safety one today and was told by the supplier that both models have been recalled so I could not purchase the pistol
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The serial number of my wife's Shield EZ manufactured on April 3, 2018, without a safety is NOT listed as being a part of the advisory information listed in RVGshooter's post second above this one!
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The entire M&P series is completely safe without a thumb safety. There is no need for one and it's superfluous in my mind.
True, but...I started appendix carry a few months ago and left side of my brain says the safety is superfluous. The right side says it's not superfluous and you need to do all you can to protect the family jewels. So, to make us all happy I ride the thumb safety after I draw. I have not had an ND yet and certainly don't want one appendix style.
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True, but...I started appendix carry a few months ago and left side of my brain says the safety is superfluous. The right side says it's not superfluous and you need to do all you can to protect the family jewels. So, to make us all happy I ride the thumb safety after I draw. I have not had an ND yet and certainly don't want one appendix style.
So... What's inside your pants in the Appendix region that could crawl inside the holster, snag on the trigger and cause you to blow yer nutz off??
Crotch Crickets of the gigantic kind?
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True, but...I started appendix carry a few months ago and left side of my brain says the safety is superfluous. The right side says it's not superfluous and you need to do all you can to protect the family jewels. So, to make us all happy I ride the thumb safety after I draw. I have not had an ND yet and certainly don't want one appendix style.
I have carried M&P’s AIWB for over three years now in a good Kydex holster on a Wilderness Tactical belt. I also have not had an ND, and I doubt seriously I will. However, that will not be because I have an unnecessary additional manual safety adding to the complexity of my gun and my draw. It’s because of training, practice, and due care.

A manual safety on an M&P for safe holstering does not necessarily make AIWB safer. You the operator, can still screw it up in a number of ways, especially if you are relying on the safety to make up for your lack of confidence, which is because of a lack of training and practice. One more step, one more complexity, one more disadvantage for you. Holstering should ALWAYS be done slowly, with patience, and with attentive observation of the procedure. Learn and follow the procedure.

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I would appreciate hearing of a trained individual carrying AIWB with quality gear who has shot a body part while holstering with a modern, safe, striker fired pistol that does not have a manual safety. Or that does have one for that matter. If such exists, it will be an operator error, not a gun error. I understand the irrational fear, but I’d like to know the reality.
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Bottom line- a thumb safety have no place on a CCW-it will get you killed.
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Zanders, the distributor my gun store usually uses for such items is showing the no safety model in stock, thumb safety version as out of stock.
the M&P380EZ, is a Single Action, hammer fired, semi auto. it's just like a 1911 accept the hammer is enclosed. yes it has a grip safety. would you carry a 1911 cocked but unlocked? hell no.
I'm a right handed shooter and do not need an ambi thumb safety, I have a dremel and files and can fix this. goodbye ambi safety, I just need the thumb safety on the left side of the gun. just like a proper 1911. these days S&W is on my list, very close to Remington, I hope they don't screw up anymore than they already have. if the gun can't shoot Underwood +P ammo, it's worthless to me.
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the M&P380EZ, is a Single Action, hammer fired, semi auto. it's just like a 1911 accept the hammer is enclosed. yes it has a grip safety. would you carry a 1911 cocked but unlocked? hell no.
Why not? People carry a Glock and other M&P guns in condition 0 so, why not the 1911 or EZ?


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Unless you need to shoot with your left hand because your right is injured.
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Called today about my 380EZ with thumb safety. It is within the serial numbers in the advisory. Took five minutes on the phone and I received a prepaid return label via email. When you call CS, recording says to press 7 for the 380EZ issue.
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Zanders, the distributor my gun store usually uses for such items is showing the no safety model in stock, thumb safety version as out of stock.
the M&P380EZ, is a Single Action, hammer fired, semi auto. it's just like a 1911 accept the hammer is enclosed. yes it has a grip safety. would you carry a 1911 cocked but unlocked? hell no.
Your distributor doesn't have what you want... Strike 1?

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You don't like Ambi-Safeties... Strike 2?

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these days S&W is on my list, very close to Remington, I hope they don't screw up anymore than they already have. if the gun can't shoot Underwood +P ammo, it's worthless to me.
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• “Plus-P” (+P) ammunition generates pressures in excess of the
pressures associated with standard ammunition. As a result,
380 AUTO ammunition with (+P) rating should not be used in the
M&P380 SHIELD.
So... Looks like Underwood +P is NOT recommended... Looks like Strike 3 to me.

Save your money, buddy... You would not be happy with this pistol.
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I have a dremel and files and can fix this. goodbye ambi safety ... these days S&W is on my list, very close to Remington, I hope they don't screw up anymore than they already have.
Cutting off the left side lever would greatly the moment of inertia of the safety as a whole, that would probably prevent the problem mentioned.

I don't think S&W is anywhere near as bad as Remington became in the past few years. In Remington's case it was like they put people who didn't know anything about guns in charge of production and product development.
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I emailed Underwood to see if the Extreme Defender .380 ammo can be fired in the S&W EZ. They wrote back: "All of our standard pressure options, including the standard pressure 65gr Xtreme Defender, would be just fine to use in your new EZ! We would agree with S&W, and not advise using our +P loads in the weapon."
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