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Old 05-26-2018, 11:06 PM
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I just installed an Apex flat-faced trigger kit on my M&P 2.0 compact. Now when I try to dry fire it to test the action I知 having an issue. When I rack the slide and pull the trigger the first time nothing happens, but on the second trigger pull it clicks. This happens every time. I知 not sure what I did wrong to make it only engage on the second trigger pull. Any ideas?
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Old 05-27-2018, 07:55 AM
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Sounds like something didn't go right. I put the full FF trigger kit in my 5" 2.0 9mm a while back, and it works perfectly.
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I keep telling people leave them stock and learn to shoot them.There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 2.0 stock trigger.
But to be cool I guess you have to put an Apex trigger in.
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:13 AM
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I keep telling people leave them stock and learn to shoot them.There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 2.0 stock trigger.
But to be cool I guess you have to put an Apex trigger in.
I agree that an Apex is a waste of money in a 2.0
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:27 AM
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I just installed an Apex flat-faced trigger kit on my M&P 2.0 compact. Now when I try to dry fire it to test the action I知 having an issue. When I rack the slide and pull the trigger the first time nothing happens, but on the second trigger pull it clicks. This happens every time. I知 not sure what I did wrong to make it only engage on the second trigger pull. Any ideas?
I'd suggest looking at the videos at Apex, if that doesn't help, give Randy a call and I suspect he can walk you through the correction.
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I agree that an Apex is a waste of money in a 2.0


The Apex takes the M&P to another level. I like the stock on my 2.0s and left my carry ones stock, but the Apex is great.


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I keep telling people leave them stock and learn to shoot them.There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 2.0 stock trigger.
But to be cool I guess you have to put an Apex trigger in.
There's no reason for this. A guy has an issue and is asking for help. If you can't help, the least you can do is keep quiet.
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I'm not trying to be "unhelpful" but I would like to know why would you need/want to install an Apex trigger? Is it because you don't like the hinged trigger, and not to lighten/improve the trigger? To me, the 2.0 trigger is great.
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I just installed an Apex flat-faced trigger kit on my M&P 2.0 compact. Now when I try to dry fire it to test the action I知 having an issue. When I rack the slide and pull the trigger the first time nothing happens, but on the second trigger pull it clicks. This happens every time. I知 not sure what I did wrong to make it only engage on the second trigger pull. Any ideas?
The first thing I would do is take the whole kit out and put it back in again, making sure to take your time and test the movement of all the pieces as you reinstall them. It sucks because it痴 time consuming, but IMO it痴 the best place to start with an issue like yours that could be caused by any one of several different things.

If you still have the same problem after reinstalling everything, then call Apex. They池e super helpful with questions about installs.
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I'm not trying to be "unhelpful" but I would like to know why would you need/want to install an Apex trigger? Is it because you don't like the hinged trigger, and not to lighten/improve the trigger? To me, the 2.0 trigger is great.
This is not an unreasonable question, but for another thread, don't you think?
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This is not an unreasonable question, but for another thread, don't you think?
Generally yes...but in this case, I was just wondering why the OP needed/wanted to put an Apex trigger in a 2.0 model. Not criticizing, just curious about his reason(s).
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Generally yes...but in this case, I was just wondering why the OP needed/wanted to put an Apex trigger in a 2.0 model. Not criticizing, just curious about his reason(s).
I can't speak for the OP, but I installed Apex kits in my M & P's to improve the triggers. Crisp, less pre - travel and over travel. Much better than the hinged trigger!
People that want to keep it stock can do so. It's called freedom.
People who don't have experience with the Apex kit shouldn't use a members request for help as a platform for sharing ignorance about a trigger they haven't installed and don't use.
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People who don't have experience with the Apex kit shouldn't use a members request for help as a platform for sharing ignorance about a trigger they haven't installed and don't use.
I don't know if you are directing that comment to me or not, but if so, I'll point out that I asked for information...i.e., why he wanted to put in an Apex kit. That isn't sharing ignorance, but asking for information.
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Old 05-30-2018, 05:59 AM
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I agree this would be better in a different thread, but the reason I went to a full FF Apex kit in my 2.0 was because I bought a P320. I have 1.0 and 2.0 M&P's, and agree the 2.0 trigger is better. But compared to a good trigger like the P320's come stock with, it has far too much takeup and the wall is harder to pull through. Putting the kit in my 5" 2.0 brought it up to the same level as the stock P320, and that's a good thing, IMO.

Scroll down a little on the following link to see their trigger scan comparison. It illustrates very nicely the difference:
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I agree this would be better in a different thread
Well, then, perhaps you could suggest what thread I should have used to ask the OP of this thread what his reasons were for installing the Apex trigger in his new 2.0?
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I don't know if you are directing that comment to me or not, but if so, I'll point out that I asked for information...i.e., why he wanted to put in an Apex kit. That isn't sharing ignorance, but asking for information.
My reply isn't directed at you, or anyone specifically. I'm just tired of people who are critical of well engineered products. Especially when they are ignorant (without knowledge or experience). There are police departments that use Apex trigger kits in their duty weapons. If they're happy with their stock triggers, God Bless them! If they don't want anything to do with an after market trigger, Amen!

You can research and read threads on the Apex trigger kits by using the forum search. Here is a very recent thread discussing Apex kits.
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I'm just tired of people who are critical of well engineered products. Especially when they are ignorant (without knowledge or experience).
I understand what you are saying...but there is a difference if someone who has never tried an Apex trigger said "They are junk, not worth a ****, and dangerous" and someone else who said "I like the 2.0 trigger, it works for me, and I don't see the need for me personally to change out the trigger mechanism."

I'm not saying you do this, but I've read a number of comments that basically said you are a moron if you don't want to change to an Apex trigger. Personally I like the 2.0 trigger...heck, I didn't even change the triggers on the SD/SDVE pistols I owned. But that's just me...I don't like to monkey with the fire control group. No criticism of those who do is implied.
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I would agree with those who suggest contacting Apex if they're having a problem with one of their trigger kits. They know their triggers inside out- and have seen every problem to be had with them. I had to seek their help once, and their customer support is superb.
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I'm not trying to be "unhelpful" but I would like to know why would you need/want to install an Apex trigger? Is it because you don't like the hinged trigger, and not to lighten/improve the trigger? To me, the 2.0 trigger is great.
You believe your 2.0 trigger is great and that's a good thing. We'll just have to agree to disagree. A good M1911 trigger is great. Now don't get me wrong: I really, really like my M2.0 compact but the trigger is not great, imo.

The trigger feels good until it hits the false wall of the striker block plunger. Then one feels the grittiness of the trigger bar pushing up the plunger. Only then does the trigger come back to rest against the sear.

All-in-all, it's not a "bad" trigger. It's actually pretty darn good for a striker-fired pistol but that doesn't mean it can't and/or shouldn't be improved.

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There's no reason for this. A guy has an issue and is asking for help. If you can't help, the least you can do is keep quiet.
You're not exactly helping either. At least he's warning people away from a bad move.
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It’s disappointing to see snarky comments when all the man wants is help. Thanks to those who weighed in w/helpful info here.
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Try this. Take the slide off so you're just holding the frame pull the trigger and watch the sear. when it ends, slide The Seer bar out from under this sear and let it reset. I had an issue with this with a 45. I ended up replacing the plunger spring. Worked like a charm.

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It could also be, that you need an adjustment on the trigger bar, or the trigger bar Loop.
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I'm not trying to be "unhelpful" but ......
But you're going to anyway? Why? That's like folks saying, "I hate to say this, but..." I immediately interrupt them and say,"Then why say it?" or "You hate to say it, but you're going to anyway? Why?"

Some folks just can't help themselves- their opinion is more important to them, than the other folk's feelings or if it's appropriate or not, or germane to the thread or anything. Just like Cactus Jack, he just can't WAIT to chastise someone with his opinions. Never mind that it's not relevant or wanted or appropriate, etc. He doesn't realize that that logic is a slippery slope into ALL facets of life: why improve your car? ALL vehicles should remain stock, We should never make improvement to our homes, etc. In fact, we should let him control everything in our lives. Man, if I were King.....anyway, back to reality.

Btw, when someone suggests that that belongs in another thread, if you can't find one, start one. Just sayin'


To the OP, I suggest taking it to an Armorer- that would be the quickest, safest way to deal with that.

Btw, don't worry about the naysayers. Everything mass produced is made to fit the masses. I'm ALWAYS modifying things to fit ME, if for nothing else, but to personalize it. Modify on, just be safe. How terrible would it be that in an emergency situation, you need it to go bang and it doesn't and you don't really know when/if it will.
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I'm not trying to be "unhelpful" but I would like to know why would you need/want to install an Apex trigger? Is it because you don't like the hinged trigger, and not to lighten/improve the trigger? To me, the 2.0 trigger is great.


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I didn't express an opinion, or criticize, or anything of the sort. I asked HIS reasons for wanting to change the trigger...and that's all I was doing. I just wanted to know why HE wanted to change the trigger...and no one but him can answer that question. If you don't like that, I'm sorry, but I'll learn to live with your disapproval.
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I just installed an Apex flat-faced trigger kit on my M&P 2.0 compact. Now when I try to dry fire it to test the action I知 having an issue. When I rack the slide and pull the trigger the first time nothing happens, but on the second trigger pull it clicks. This happens every time. I知 not sure what I did wrong to make it only engage on the second trigger pull. Any ideas?
One thing to consider is the trigger bar loop. Watch the Youtube vid, and ensure the loop is correct. That will at least eliminate it as a cause...Good luck!
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One thing to consider is the trigger bar loop. Watch the Youtube vid, and ensure the loop is correct. That will at least eliminate it as a cause...Good luck!
The 2.0 doesn't have the trigger bar loop like the 1.0, so it's non adjustable like the 1.0 pistol is.
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Yes, the Marine Corps is a department of the Navy.

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As far as this thread goes, I really like the 2.0 hinged trigger, but I would never criticize someone who replaces it. I also like the hinged triggers on my FNS full sized and FNS compact.

We are all different. Each shooter should chose and shoot what they like without regard for the opinion of anyone else.

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If the gun is new, it might just need to wear in. It sounds like the sear is not engaging. Try putting the stock sear spring back in and see if the problem goes away.
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Putting an Apex part in has nothing to do with being "cool" I agree with whoever said installing Apex makes a good trigger a great trigger. A few years back I installed a complete Apex kit in my M&P Pro and it's been great. But even better, I put the Apex ultimate stricker block and an Apex sear in my Shield and it's even better than my M&P Pro. I can't see how one can argue that a trigger that is smoother, has shorter take up and a shorter reset cannot improve your accuracy, it sure did mine. My Shield feels like I'm firing my Colt Gold Cup .45. It is so much easier than when you are having to tug on the trigger or worry about it twisting one way or the other. I think that most people who put down the Apex parts probably have never used them and don't want to put up the money to purchased them so they convince themselves that with practice everything will be ok. Well, I practiced both ways and I'm for more accurate with my pistols that have Apex parts in them than the others. In fact, it has saved me a ton of money because now when I look at a new gun and dry fire them to test the trigger, none of them feel that good and I don't purchase them. Most people would agree that they love a good trigger. That's my 2 cents worth. Regards, Elliot45
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I just installed an Apex flat-faced trigger kit on my M&P 2.0 compact. Now when I try to dry fire it to test the action I知 having an issue. When I rack the slide and pull the trigger the first time nothing happens, but on the second trigger pull it clicks. This happens every time. I知 not sure what I did wrong to make it only engage on the second trigger pull. Any ideas?
Are you closing the actuator before putting slide back on?
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In fact, it has saved me a ton of money because now when I look at a new gun and dry fire them to test the trigger, none of them feel that good and I don't purchase them.
Well, that's a new one...
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