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With my Sig 220 and this new shield I am consistently grouping to the left. Elevation is fine and decent groups but shoot both guns to the left. I am doing something wrong but not sure what. finger position or what? Or just move the sights?
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Trigger control....squeeze that trigger, don't jerk it... Keep practicing....
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Could be the sights are off, but more likely you are pulling to the left due to either/or your grip or finger position on the trigger. I’m assuming you are right handed. This is a pretty common occurrence, though even more common is low/left.
When you grip the gun, you should see a pretty straight line between the barrel and your forearm. In other words, your wrist needs to be straight. Typically not enough finger on the trigger can cause left hits. If you are using the tip of your trigger finger, try the pad of the next joint. If this takes you to the right, try something in the middle.
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With my Sig 220 and this new shield I am consistently grouping to the left. Elevation is fine and decent groups but shoot both guns to the left. I am doing something wrong but not sure what. finger position or what? Or just move the sights?
Did you try shooting from a rest to check whether it's a matter of sights or trigger control?
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Assuming the sights are correct and you are right handed, you are most likely pushing the trigger instead of pulling straight back.

Focus on pulling straight back as slow as possible (at first) and see if that helps.
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If you are right handed and shooting a bit to the left. Try taking a half step to the right ..

Sorry just couldn't resist..
Make sure the firearm is empty and practice your dry firing. Best and cheapest practice you can get.
Should be able to drop the hammer ,, or striker,, without the front sight moving.. I think it's best to practice on a plain white wall.

Many many years ago,, dry firing revolver double action was how I learned to shoot double action for bowling pins.
Now I'm not really sure why they even have single action on revolvers.

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When I pull a trigger I try to do it with a steady pressure until it breaks. I try not know when it goes off but keep it on target until it fires. I want it to be a surprise when it fires. I will get the snap caps out and practice tonight. Try again tomorrow. One thing noticed about the Shield it is balanced, whereas the Sig is muzzle heavy which apparently I prefer. I am going to change the sights to I dot having shot both now I think I like the I dot on the Sig better.

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Too much finger on the trigger.
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If you are right handed and shooting a bit to the left. Try taking a half step to the right ..


You laugh but I stepped over to the steel and aimed at the right edge hit em every time.....

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The shooter makes the gun, the gun does not make the shooter! Here is Jerry shooting a S&W Body Guard at 200 yards.

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My last range trip I was shooting to the left with 3 different guns.
The time before that I was dead on with the same guns.
The difference was I tried a different way of gripping based on something I saw on the internet.
I was applying more pressure with my strong hand finger tips which was pulling the gun left.
I also wasn’t mindful of my trigger control.



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You realize that is a standard joke on the internet....

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(Note, the 2nd one is, well, just because I like it)
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Nope haven't run across that one yet.
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My last range trip I was shooting to the left with 3 different guns.
The time before that I was dead on with the same guns.
The difference was I tried a different way of gripping based on something I saw on the internet.
I was applying more pressure with my strong hand finger tips which was pulling the gun left.
I also wasn’t mindful of my trigger control.


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Just read this grabbed the gun...Guess what to much finger when I squeeze gun goooooes....you guessed it LEFT. Try it out tomorrow got some rifle loads and new trigger to try out. Thanks to all of you for your input should be able to iron it out. Also printed out a correction chart to reference.
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Here's a handy chart.

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I have medium size hands and when shooting my P220 I can't quite reach the trigger like I want to. I have to adapt my grip a bit. No doing so would make it shoot left. I put some slimmer grips on it this week. Yet to try'em out. G'luck.
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I have medium size hands and when shooting my P220 I can't quite reach the trigger like I want to. I have to adapt my grip a bit. No doing so would make it shoot left. I put some slimmer grips on it this week. Yet to try'em out. G'luck.
Did the same to mine put the "Slim" grips on it works well
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More than likely you're pushing as the chart above indicates. Try to consistently squeeze the trigger and you problem may just go away.
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This is the one I have:
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I was gonna post the same chart Oldster put up.

Dig further and you can find an online copy of the US Army Marksmanship Training Manual.
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When dry fire practicing, watch your hands. Most likely, you are twisting the pistol to the left at the last split second before the trigger breaks. You can also do this at the range... Don't even look at the target... Watch what your hands are doing.

This is actually the only time I recommend using a Laser. If you're twisting, the laser will show it... Big Time.

You may need to adjust your entire grip, but you may need to only adjust which part of the pad of your trigger finger you are using. You need to end up achieving a straight rearward press all the way from Take-up to Follow-through.

If you are more toward the finger tip, move to the middle of the pad. If you're already using the middle of the pad, you may need to adjust all the way over to the 1st knuckle joint. Find that Sweet Spot and you'll know it.

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Raise the gun slowly until it comes on target....close eyes....feel the Chee.....let the bullet go where it is supposed to wind up.
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I was the same way with my Shield. Low and left, I am right handed. Thought it was the gun then figured out it really was me.
What helped the most was correct practice with my DA .22 revolver. It is all about the trigger finger. More is better. The Ahha moment was when an internet guru said it was simple, just not easy.
Concentrate on the finger, not the sights. Pull the trigger straight back as if coming toward the nose. (I realized I was curling my trigger finger while coming straight back.) If I concentrate and keep my finger straight while coming straight back, I can actually feel the finger sending the bullet toward the target.
Difficult to explain, but once "I got it", it made sense. A total new concept for me.
Hope this will be of help.
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You could be milking the gun. If you're right handed, as you pull the trigger your other fingers squeeze the grip and you will hit to the left and a little low at 8 o'clock. If you're a lefty you hit to the right at 4 o'clock. Dry fire and watch your barrel. Try pushing to the right with your left hand as you pull the trigger with your right hand.
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I'm old enough to have seen the "correct" part of the trigger digit move all over.

Where the trigger is in relation to your finger depends upon your hand size, reach to the trigger and the configuration of the grip. It can change between different firearms. What you need to do is find out where your finger needs to be to move the trigger straight back. It's rather obvious you're either pushing or losing patience and finishing off with a yank that pushes the sights off target.

Dry fire is your friend. Or, as suggested, ball and dummy. BUT with ball & dummy you need someone to watch the gun for movement. You may also be flinching (closing eyes as the shot gets close).

It's not unknown for sights to be off from the factory, but until you're positive it's the sights leave them alone. Get someone else to shoot the guns too.

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One small tip that has helped me is to make sure that the part of your trigger finger from your knuckle to your middle joint is parallel to the gun. This allows the rest of your trigger finger to pivot straight back instead of at an angle which tends to push the gun to the left.
This is sometimes referred to as having "too much finger on the trigger". On guns that have interchangeable grip inserts (most if not all M&P's do), you can choose the insert that helps place the trigger finger at the correct place. Too narrow a grip can result in you having too much of your trigger through the trigger guard so that instead of pulling straight back, you tend to push the gun to the left.
Interchangeable grip inserts, besides making the gun more comfortable to shoot, are also very important in controlling the trigger finger position on the trigger.
If it were me, I would use the grip insert that allows for a comfortable grip, but one that also helps position the middle part of the trigger finger parallel to the gun so that the tip of your finger can pull straight back.
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I had the same problem shooting left. I was talking to a guy at the range who happened to be a Boy Scout shooting instructor. He told me to try using the pad of the index finger, not the joint. It solved my issues.

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You say you are getting good groups. If so adjust or drift your rear sight to the right the appropriate amount. I had to push the rear sight to the right on my Sig P 320C and P 365. A little goes a long way though. Problem solved.
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Some progress today but need more range time to figure it out. May seek professional help with this little guy.
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Finally found my .45 snap caps.. Give those a workout until Monday. Give it another "shot" so to speak....
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Finally found my .45 snap caps.. Give those a workout until Monday. Give it another "shot" so to speak....
I found that at close range my guns don't give me good feedback regarding my sights. It is at 20 yards on out where I notice whether or not my sights need adjusting. You might want to let someone else shoot your pistols, but even then your eyes might look at the sights differently.
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The Sig is not as bad when I qualified for my LCH I did it with the Sig and scored 278 out of 250. It was cold and light rain and he was feeding magazines as fast as I could shoot them and I think he lost the round count. He was loading mags while I shot and handed me another one when I emptied. Had a big ragged hole to the left of center the one outside in the 8 was low left at 25.
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Move the sights.
Relearning how you grip, hold , squeeze the trigger, etc. is a lot more difficult than a simple sight adjustment.
Not everyone's eyes see the same , there can be differences.
When I sight in my iron sighted handguns for my eyes, if my shooting buddies shoot them they hit to the left for them ....but dead on for me.
Our eyes aren't the same. That's why letting someone else sight in your gun for you isn't best practice...sight them for how your eyes see things.
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Move the sights.
Relearning how you grip, hold , squeeze the trigger, etc. is a lot more difficult than a simple sight adjustment.
Not everyone's eyes see the same , there can be differences.
When I sight in my iron sighted handguns for my eyes, if my shooting buddies shoot them they hit to the left for them ....but dead on for me.
Our eyes aren't the same. That's why letting someone else sight in your gun for you isn't best practice...sight them for how your eyes see things.
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I am using the snap caps through the weekend will see what happens Monday. Try to get a consistent grouping and then move the sights maybe. I am going to replace these sights with tritium I dot sights I like the ones on my Sig better and they are the I dots. Seems easier to line up the 2 dots inline vs 3 at one time. I dots show offline sight picture better to me anyway. IMHO
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Try one of these for dry firing practice: LaserLyte Laser Trainer Cartridges - LT-9, LT-40, LT-45 and LT-380 | Up to 30% Off 4.3 Star Rating w/ Free S&H.

It seems like a lot of money, but will save you $$$ on ammo and aggravation. I shoot USPSA matches and everyone I know who is good says dry-fire is the way to perfect grip and trigger control. I never believed it until I tried it, and now I know it works!

Just paste a target on your wall and try doing 50 shots a night and you'll see the laser beam hit where a bullet would have hit. It will teach you more in a week of dry-firing than a bunch of ammo thrown down range.

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Do you happen to have a left handed version of that?


Has anyone tried this yet? I've been thinking of trying one myself.

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...are you using the proper grip?...

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Some have suggested moving the sights and you certainly can if you wish. But if the problem is your technique (mine has been before) then you have to decide if you want to improve your skills or mask them. If you move the sights and don't improve your skills then potentially every gun you pick up will require the sights be moved to compensate. Only you can decide whats right for you. Since you posted and asked for opinions then mine is a little instruction and solid practice. JMHO.

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This is my favorite correction chart.

JUST KIDDING...




This is some other people's favorite chart.
(I thought this one was funny)

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This is my favorite correction chart.

JUST KIDDING...




This is some other people's favorite chart.
(I thought this one was funny)
No offense intended, but when I started competitive pistol shooting back in about 1971, I was an adherent to the "Wheel of Misfortune". I'm not an advocate of it now. I prefer to focus with a positive bent and that is instead of looking at what I did wrong, to me it is much more effective to focus on the good shots and what I did right. I then reinforce the correct fundamentals. Someone said something like, "The fundamentals of pistol shooting are simple, but difficult to apply!" One other thing that the OP said was that he was shooting a qualification course. That could indeed be that the left shots were shooter induced. One should really take one's time and try to make every shot perfect to really know if the sights need adjusting.
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Since a lot of "helpful" charts have been posted, it's about time someone mentioned all those posted-except those by RobzGuns-are old charts from when handguns were fired by folks standing in a dueling stance and only using one hand. They've got rather limited application for folks using both hands on the gun.

I must say I like the top chart Robzguns posted.

BTW, since I mentioned using both hands on the gun, you are supposed to be using isometric tension while doing that. Push out with the gun hand, pull back with the support hand. Or, at least pull back with the support hand, resist with the gun hand.

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Popeye77, all the advice above will not help. The reason your gun is shooting left is because Sig 220's are known to be liberal Democrats...some more so than others. You need to buy a more moderate pistol.

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...are you using the proper grip?...

...this ain't it...

Have you been going Paparazzi on me. Didn't see you at the range that day you must have hiding in the bushes. What else were you doing in there?
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Some have suggested moving the sights and you certainly can if you wish. But if the problem is your technique (mine has been before) then you have to decide if you want to improve your skills or mask them. If you move the sights and don't improve your skills then potentially every gun you pick up will require the sights be moved to compensate. Only you can decide whats right for you. Since you posted and asked for opinions then mine is a little instruction and solid practice. JMHO.

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I agree the technique and the trigger control is the problem. I don't think moving the sights right now is a good idea. Have yet to fire that gun off of a solid bench rest. I would need to bench it with solid rest to check if the gun is off which I doubt.
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Shooting to the left?

Point the gun more to the right when you let off the shot!

Easy, peasy!
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Popeye77, all the advice above will not help. The reason your gun is shooting left is because Sig 220's are known to be liberal Democrats...some more so than others. You need to buy a more moderate pistol.
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Yeah but Smith Shield shoots twice as left as the Sig.
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I found when using 2 hand grip, in addition to the somewhat isometric technique, is to grip 70% (thereabouts) with my left hand around my right hand which grips the firearm. Concentrate pulling the trigger straight back.
If you try to squeeze the trigger while at the same time gripping the gun too much, you will torque the gun. These muscles go together. Thus you must relax the right hand grip (relative to the left hand) so your trigger finger will not cause your hands/forearm muscles to move the way they want.
Try holding a hair brush, extend your arm, tip it forward a little, then squeeze it, watch it move.
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Have someone you know that is competent with hand guns shoot it from a rest-don't tell them what you are experiencing.
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No more left wing Shield.
Found the cure too little trigger finger and left hand grip weak. Found the position for straight pull changed grip pressure in my hands also and position. More practice and muscle memory should improve it.
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