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Old 07-10-2018, 06:54 PM
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Geriatric newbie here, so apologies in advance for misplacing this post or being redundant.
Really enjoy my Shield, but experiencing increased difficulty in ability to obtain a firm purchase at draw from IWB. My hands arenít extra large, but the grip has begun to feel uncomfortably small. Have done extensive research on the 9-C. The features have appeal, I like the extra round capacity, and it appears to provide adequate concealability.
Would welcome input from any folks with C-9 experience: please include information on any issues that required S&W attention, what you like/donít like about it, reasons, and why you would or wouldnít recommend buying it. Plan to test it out at the range tomorrow. Appreciate any thoughts or suggestions. Have heard mixed reviews about ejection failures and whether itís a firearm other owners would trust their lives with.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:10 PM
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I went from a Shield 45 (which I really liked, but I have a 1911 in 45) to a 4" 2.0 9c because I wanted more capacity and a 9mm for the range, as well as a general duty gun. At the time, S&W hadn't announced the 3.6" barrel 9c, or I would have bought it. Anyway, I really like this gun, and I would highly recommend it...but you may want to see if you can find the 3.6" barrel model, and compare the two before you buy. I know it's only 0.4" difference, but some say it makes it easier to carry. The capacity is the same for either gun.
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I had a M&P9c before I got my 9mm shield. The 9c had the same footprint as the shield and is just a bit wider and heavier. One range session is all it took for me to know that (for me) the 9c was a way better choice. It was SO much easier to shoot accurately in rapid fire /double taps and was allot more comfortable in the hand while doing it. The shield went up for sale less than a week later. Since then I've bought a 45 shield nut still think the 9c (1st gen) is a great choice for it's intended purpose.
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You parenthetically specified first generation. Why?
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You parenthetically specified first generation. Why?
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I just like the size of the original compact. Again, it has the same footprint as a 9/40 shield . I think the 3.5" barrel and shorter grip length of the original is a better carry option than the new 4" 2.0 w longer grip. ( I do see they just released a 3.6" version but still don't see the attraction of "upgrading" a Compact design to be longer in both directions and heavier on the hip.) Size wise, the 1.0 was in the sweet spot right between a G26 and G19. ( I've owned both Glock models too at one point.) The original 9c is also several onces lighter than the 4" 2.0 compact.
Not arguing with those who prefer the 2.0 for some reason (likely capacity), for me though, the 1.0 didn't need any improvement (other than an Apex trigger). It is "Goldilocks" just right in size and control ability. It will continue to remain one of my favorites on and off the range.



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I had a 1.0 9c, and didn't care for the grip size on it. It just didn't fit my hand well. Conversely, I like the smaller grip of the Shield and the bigger grip of the 2.0 9c. I guess the 1.0 9c was like the Goldilocks gun for me...too small and too big. If you can find one to try out, it may work well for you, and it should be priced really well right now. Some of the online vendors may still have some new ones.

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Old 07-10-2018, 09:31 PM
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The thinness of the Shield makes it a lot more comfotable IWB. But the 2.0C feels better to shoot.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:52 AM
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I am extremely happy w/ my 1.0 9c but haven't tried a 2.0. Have you looked into mag extensions which would lengthen the grip?
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I am extremely happy w/ my 1.0 9c but haven't tried a 2.0. Have you looked into mag extensions which would lengthen the grip?
If you are asking me, no I haven't. The 1.0 9c is long gone. I did use the extended base plates when I had it...they just added a bit for finger grip, not any added capacity, but I just never got comfortable with that gun. It was just me...a lot of people like it.
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Really enjoy my Shield, but experiencing increased difficulty in ability to obtain a firm purchase at draw from IWB. My hands arenít extra large, but the grip has begun to feel uncomfortably small.
If this is your only issue with the Shield, you might be well served adding a grip sleeve or grip tape to allow a proper grip. These are common fixes for your problem.

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If this is your only issue with the Shield, you might be well served adding a grip sleeve or grip tape to allow a proper grip. These are common fixes for your problem.

Good luck and welcome to the forum.
^This.

I added grip tape (Talon Grip) at first. It was an improvement. Then, I've recently added a Hogue Handall Beavertail grip sleeve. Wow, what a great improvement that was for me. The Shield 9 now fits my hand like a glove. I love the purchase and the feel. It's a cheap and easy way to see if you can still carry the Shield.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:13 PM
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As others mentioned a grip sleeve or grip tape may satisfy your problems. However, I can't say enough great things about my 9c 1.0 and 2.0.

2 years ago I got my first handgun. So experience is what it is, but before buying I tested the Shield and 9c 1.0 extensively -it was a difficult decision. I felt the Shield was a bit small for me, and for other reasons I went the way of the 9c.

Totally glad I opted for the 9c 1.0 back then, but I love the Shield too.

Both my 9c (1.0/2.0) have been flawless. The 1.0 has seen roughly 4k rounds in the two years I've owned it. I've fired all types of ammo brands, 115/124/147 grains, etc and never a single problem.

I'll never sell it and trust my 9c 1.0 immensely as my EDC. It shares time with my 2.0 now, but still love it. I live in Florida so it's 90% of the time in shorts and a t-shirt. No concealment issues in the slightest, I carry iwb about 3 o'clock.

If grip tape or a sleeve solves your issue -awesome. But, if you are set on testing a 9c (either one) you can't go wrong.

A couple small advantages to the 9c 1.0 I find to be a nice benefit. It obviously can use the 12/15/17 round mags and given the Shield doesn't it's a bonus.

As far as fit in my hand, it feels really natural (it's subjective I know). While I consistently use the medium backstrap I like the small size too.

For me the only minor con was grip length, but I knew that was the case for any compact with my hands so not really a gun specific negative.

As a side note:
I contacted XGRIP last week and they let me know they are rolling out a mag sleeve this summer for the 9c 1.0 to accommodate the new 2.0 9c 15 round mags.
*Take it with a grain of salt from a manufacturer, but since they responded to my question I have to assume they are truly rolling one out pretty soon.

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I have both a Shield in 9mm and 2.0 Compact w/4" barrel. I like the Shield and it makes a nice carry gun. The only problem I have with it is that at 75, my hand strength isn't what it used to be. I sometimes have a difficult time racking the slide. The 2.0 has a GREAT grip. I have small hands and like the small grip insert and love the new texture. The slide racks much easier than the Shield. The slide to frame and barrel to slide fit are excellent. There is no play and this gun doesn't rattle. I shoot the 2.0 as well as any of my other guns and that includes several nice 1911's. It hides well in an Alien Gear Comfort Tuck 3.5 holster and it's comfortable to wear all day. Out of all my handguns (a considerable number), this one has become my new favorite. I guess you can tell that I'm a big fan.

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Old 07-12-2018, 02:33 AM
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I am extremely happy w/ my 1.0 9c but haven't tried a 2.0. Have you looked into mag extensions which would lengthen the grip?
I bought and tried both the Hyve and Strike mag extenders. They actually made a significant improvement with my purchase at draw. No hiccups either. Then I started reading about jams and FTF issues. Got cold feet and went back to original factory mags. Think iíve discovered the problem, however. The polymer clip on my holster has a tendency to move the cant of my Shield so that it doesnít stay put on the ďsweet spot.Ē Will replace the clip with soft loops, and see if they keep the pistol riding high enough to get a solid grip with fingers.
Meanwhile, got all stoked about the 1.0 9C. Not easy to find on line, and price is running between $425.00-465.00. Thought the 2.0 rollout would drive 9C prices down.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:39 AM
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As others mentioned a grip sleeve or grip tape may satisfy your problems. However, I can't say enough great things about my 9c 1.0 and 2.0.

2 years ago I got my first handgun. So experience is what it is, but before buying I tested the Shield and 9c 1.0 extensively -it was a difficult decision. I felt the Shield was a bit small for me, and for other reasons I went the way of the 9c.

Totally glad I opted for the 9c 1.0 back then, but I love the Shield too.

Both my 9c (1.0/2.0) have been flawless. The 1.0 has seen roughly 4k rounds in the two years I've owned it. I've fired all types of ammo brands, 115/124/147 grains, etc and never a single problem.

I'll never sell it and trust my 9c 1.0 immensely as my EDC. It shares time with my 2.0 now, but still love it. I live in Florida so it's 90% of the time in shorts and a t-shirt. No concealment issues in the slightest, I carry iwb about 3 o'clock.

If grip tape or a sleeve solves your issue -awesome. But, if you are set on testing a 9c (either one) you can't go wrong.

A couple small advantages to the 9c 1.0 I find to be a nice benefit. It obviously can use the 12/15/17 round mags and given the Shield doesn't it's a bonus.

As far as fit in my hand, it feels really natural (it's subjective I know). While I consistently use the medium backstrap I like the small size too.

For me the only minor con was grip length, but I knew that was the case for any compact with my hands so not really a gun specific negative.

As a side note:
I contacted XGRIP last week and they let me know they are rolling out a mag sleeve this summer for the 9c 1.0 to accommodate the new 2.0 9c 15 round mags.
*Take it with a grain of salt from a manufacturer, but since they responded to my question I have to assume they are truly rolling one out pretty soon.
Thanks for your perspective. Very helpful.
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I have both a Shield in 9mm and 2.0 Compact w/4" barrel. I like the Shield and it makes a nice carry gun. The only problem I have with it is that at 75, my hand strength isn't what it used to be. I sometimes have a difficult time racking the slide. The 2.0 has a GREAT grip. I have small hands and like the small grip insert and love the new texture. The slide racks much easier than the Shield. The slide to frame and barrel to slide fit are excellent. There is no play and this gun doesn't rattle. I shoot the 2.0 as well as any of my other guns and that includes several nice 1911's. It hides well in an Alien Gear Comfort Tuck 3.5 holster and it's comfortable to wear all day. Out of all my handguns (a considerable number), this one has become my new favorite. I guess you can tell that I'm a big fan.
Totally agree that feel of grip is critical and, of course, subjective. Nice to know we went to different high schools together. Also 75, and over the past few years, have experienced a touch of arthritis and decreased strength of hands. Try to diligently exercise with hand grips to restore some strength. Also installed a steel guide rod in the Shield. Had heard it makes racking the slide easier. Didnít seem to help much.
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I actually went from a 1.0 compact to a Shield. The compact was a perfectly reliable shooter, i just didnt care for how the short grip felt unless i was using full size mags. At that point Iíd then just take the full size MP to the range. The compact was just in the middle for me.
While the Shield is obviously thinner it felt better in my hands. That said i have not held one of the 2.0 compacts so couldnt compare them to a Shield.
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I have both a Shield 1.0 and a 9C 1.0 and love shooting them both but, the Shield just fits my hand better. I did put the Talon grips on it and they are fantastic!
The footprint between the two is similar but the difference is in the thinness of the Shield and my choice for carry. I really want to like the Compact more due to capacity but for me, the Shield wins.


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Meanwhile, got all stoked about the 1.0 9C. Not easy to find on line, and price is running between $425.00-465.00. Thought the 2.0 rollout would drive 9C prices down.
The two online vendors that I've used and had good luck with are Buds and Gun Genie. (I like to buy guns from Gun Genie that don't have a factory lifetime warranty, since Gun Genie provides their own...but that isn't an issue with S&W.) The price from Gun Genie, with shipping and fees to my local FFL is about $550, which surprised me. (You'd have to see how your FFLs in your area price them....they do vary by FFL.) At Buds, the price is $395 (after rebate, it says, which I'm not sure what rebate they mean) and free shipping. You'll have to pay transfer fees at your FFL, which may add $25 or so, depending on what they charge.

They may be lower priced at other online vendors, or auction sites, but I don't have any experience with those. I really am surprised that the prices aren't lower with the 2.0 models out...but maybe it's because the 1.0 Compact is in the middle size wise between the Shield and the 2.0 Compact, so there's still a demand I guess.
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As others mentioned a grip sleeve or grip tape may satisfy your problems. However, I can't say enough great things about my 9c 1.0 and 2.0.

2 years ago I got my first handgun. So experience is what it is, but before buying I tested the Shield and 9c 1.0 extensively -it was a difficult decision. I felt the Shield was a bit small for me, and for other reasons I went the way of the 9c.

Totally glad I opted for the 9c 1.0 back then, but I love the Shield too.

Both my 9c (1.0/2.0) have been flawless. The 1.0 has seen roughly 4k rounds in the two years I've owned it. I've fired all types of ammo brands, 115/124/147 grains, etc and never a single problem.

I'll never sell it and trust my 9c 1.0 immensely as my EDC. It shares time with my 2.0 now, but still love it. I live in Florida so it's 90% of the time in shorts and a t-shirt. No concealment issues in the slightest, I carry iwb about 3 o'clock.

If grip tape or a sleeve solves your issue -awesome. But, if you are set on testing a 9c (either one) you can't go wrong.

A couple small advantages to the 9c 1.0 I find to be a nice benefit. It obviously can use the 12/15/17 round mags and given the Shield doesn't it's a bonus.

As far as fit in my hand, it feels really natural (it's subjective I know). While I consistently use the medium backstrap I like the small size too.

For me the only minor con was grip length, but I knew that was the case for any compact with my hands so not really a gun specific negative.

As a side note:
I contacted XGRIP last week and they let me know they are rolling out a mag sleeve this summer for the 9c 1.0 to accommodate the new 2.0 9c 15 round mags.
*Take it with a grain of salt from a manufacturer, but since they responded to my question I have to assume they are truly rolling one out pretty soon.
I did it! Bought the last one in stock at local gun store. Very happy with choice. Do the 15/17 round mags of the full size M&P properly fit the 9C? Do you use a sleeve for the 17 rounder? Finally, any suggestions how to loosen up the tool used for changing out palmswells? A bear to dislodge.
Appreciate any input.

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I did it! Bought the last one in stock at local gun store. Very happy with choice. Do the 15/17 round mags of the full size M&P properly fit the 9C? Do you use a sleeve for the 17 rounder? Finally, any suggestions how to loosen up the tool used for changing out palmswells? A bear to dislodge.
Appreciate any input.
Congrats!

I keep up with pricing and availability of the original 9c. There aren't that many up for sale, they're out there, but seems like it's holding it's popularity with existing owners. I'll probably pickup another given the chance.

Yes, the 15 round 9 Compact 2.0 and 9 FS 17 round mags fit the 9c 1.0 (image included). There is no after market mag sleeve for the 15 round mag to fit the 9c 1.0. But, XGRIP says to be rolling one out this summer. For now I bought a few cheap versions (knock offs) of the XGRIP and cut them down to fit the 15 round mag while at the range. I don't carry it that way, but fun for the range.

XGRIP already makes a mag sleeve for the 17 round magazine to fit the 9c 1.0 (image included).

Smith & Wesson M&P 9/40C Mag Adapter | X-GRIP Mag Adapter

The first few times it was tough to pull out the back strap tool. Twist the tool until it's perpendicular with the grip (image included). Once it's perpendicular it slides right out. Any variation and their is a small plastic catch piece on the tool, which gets caught up on the inside of the grip.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:16 PM
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Ballanrk,
Just read the 17 round M&P mag will fit the 9C. Your thoughts, please.
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:10 AM
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Ballanrk,
Just read the 17 round M&P mag will fit the 9C. Your thoughts, please.
The 17 round mags have ran great for me with the XGRIP adapter. Unlike aftermarket mag extensions I have no problem using the XGRIP since itís a non critical component for the gun to fire. The 9c being my first handgun purchase and primarily my choice for CC. I also wanted something that could serve as a bedside gun at least temporarily. I purposely bought the 9c so I could carry by day and at night I simply loaded a 17 round mag. Fast forward a few years after being bit by the gun bug and I have more options. I still keep the 9c loaded with a 17 rounder when itís at home.

The 17 round mags made the range visits better for a new shooter like me. Now I simply enjoy the versatility of shooting the 17 round mag at the range. I never intended or have tried carrying it, but as far dependability goes in combination with the 9c.

Same experience for any S&W mag Iíve ran in the 9c. Always feeds and the gun goes bang.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:31 AM
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I am considering selling my 9C 1.0. My biggest complaint with my 9C 1.0 is the paddle safety. After reading this thread I decided to swap out my Shield 1.0 with the 9C and carry in my Sticky holster. On several checks that dam paddle safety had been moved into the OFF position!
I realize a different holster would prevent this but I love my Sticky and have no issues with my Shield 1.0 safety.


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