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Old 07-26-2018, 03:59 PM
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I am a fairly new shooter. A very small older woman and have loved my new pistol. Only fired it twice, 50 rounds each time (its hot here in Texas). First time, it was flawless. Today, it chambers a round every time I insert a magazine. I have to smack the mag in, it doesnít just click in (for me) when I just push up on it.
Course my purpose to smacking that mag in, is to fire the pistol, but I didnít think clambering a round was supposed to be that automatic. Itís not like I have a lot of strength to really smack it hard. Advice?
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Any pistol will self load if you smack it hard enough to bounce the slide catch. There is nothing wrong with your pistol.
I teach people to load in one motion, driving the magazine in forcefully with the heel of the hand, not by drawing back and smacking the mag. Yes, I know self-styled experts teach "whack em, smack em"" but it is not useful when loading with the slide locked back.
Start with your weak-hand index finger on the front edge of the mag and push it into lock in one smooth motion. Then rotate the gun inward and slingshot the slide to load. KEEP YOUR TRIGGER FINGER OUTSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD UNTIL YOU AIM AT THE TARGET.
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:25 PM
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It's common on semi auto pistols. My Glocks do it if I slam it hard enough. The slide stop takes some of the vibration from the slam and releases.

Does the same happen with an empty magazine? Is it happening on both magazines?

I would say shoot it a bit more. All the springs and magazine catch are new and with time will wear and settle in. 300 rounds should break it in nicely.

Cool that you are shooting! Hopefully carrying too.
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:42 PM
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As others have said, this is not a "feature" but is not uncommon.

However, if the slide is locked back, it shouldn't take much effort to seat the mag. Are you whacking it because that's what you do, or do you have an issue seating the mag with the slide locked back?
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:57 PM
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As others have said, this is not a "feature" but is not uncommon.

However, if the slide is locked back, it shouldn't take much effort to seat the mag. Are you whacking it because that's what you do, or do you have an issue seating the mag with the slide locked back?
Strange, but I am strong enough to rack the slide and even lock it back. But not strong enough to just push in the mag. So I place it in the well and then hit it with the heel of my supporting hand. Would it be better for me to slingshot the slide closed and then put the mag in. Then I would slingshot the slide again to chamber a round. Extra step, but I donít mind.
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If you have trouble loading on an open slide, there is no hope you can load a full mag on a closed slide. I don't understand why you are having trouble loading on a open slide unless you are holding things very oddly. I have seen students try to load at full arms length, but the gun and magazine should be only a foot or so in front of your face, like holding a book to read it. Push the magazine sideways and up into the gun with the heel of your weak hand, and push the gun against the motion. Should go right in.


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Odd. When the slide is locked back you should feel almost no resistance. You'll feel a tiny bit about halfway in as the mag contacts the mag release and drags along the side. You may feel just a tad more the last 1/8" or so as the follower starts to push up the slide lock (assuming the mag is empty) and then the mag release snaps in.

Do the mags drop free when you release them or do you need to tug on them a bit?
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Old 07-26-2018, 07:05 PM
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I just remembered something that makes how I do this very dangerous and I must figure it out. Don’t know how I could have forgotten this part. Anyway, when I first was learning to shoot I had a private lesson. He taught me to take a loaded magazine, point the gun down range with mag well open to the left (i’m Right handed) and smack that mag in aggressively, still holding gun down range, slide is locked back from last round shot, turn top of slide pointing to the left and slingshot it, clambering a round. That’s how I do it and like I said, worked fine first range trip firing 59 rounds. Now, today here’s the dangerous part, with slide open, I smack the mag in, start to turn gun to the right and a round falls out! Because slide is open, and a round has been chambered. And when round falls out, I see the next round at the top of the mag and being inexperienced, at this point I’m trying to figure out what to do. Hubby said as I was looking at this mess, I was pointing this loaded gun at him. He has no idea how to help me with what I am doing wrong.

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Old 07-26-2018, 07:37 PM
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I've seen this called "auto forward", and I know that some shooters want their pistols to work this way. I was trained that it was bad, and eventually sold the only one I had that did this.

All of the above descriptions are correct. If you really slam in a mag with the slide locked open, you have a risk of shaking loose the slide stop. As I said, some shooters like this, but they are likely competitive shooters who rely on speed of a reload. I want my slide stop to hold until I slingshot the slide when I am ready to fire.

At the range, I have to insert the full mag on an open slide, because those are the rules. But I expect it to remain open.

When inserting a mag for carry, I do it on a closed slide, as there is a first cycle of chambering a round, then dropping / topping off the mag, and then inserting it again.

It sounds to me like you are hitting the mag so hard on that open slide that you are popping out the first round. That is also possible (I've done it). I've seen that when the mag springs were new, and the mag loaded to full capacity.

And a last thought - do not slingshot a slide on an empty chamber. Release the slide stop and ride the slide forward if you are not trying to chamber a round. Slides and springs are built for the force of picking off a round and pushing it into the chamber. I've gotten many various opinions about it being OK, but years with the same Army range office convinced me that it isn't, and I do baby my firearms a bit.
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Old 07-26-2018, 08:06 PM
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I've seen this called "auto forward", and I know that some shooters want their pistols to work this way. I was trained that it was bad, and eventually sold the only one I had that did this.

All of the above descriptions are correct. If you really slam in a mag with the slide locked open, you have a risk of shaking loose the slide stop. As I said, some shooters like this, but they are likely competitive shooters who rely on speed of a reload. I want my slide stop to hold until I slingshot the slide when I am ready to fire.

At the range, I have to insert the full mag on an open slide, because those are the rules. But I expect it to remain open.

When inserting a mag for carry, I do it on a closed slide, as there is a first cycle of chambering a round, then dropping / topping off the mag, and then inserting it again.

It sounds to me like you are hitting the mag so hard on that open slide that you are popping out the first round. That is also possible (I've done it). I've seen that when the mag springs were new, and the mag loaded to full capacity.

And a last thought - do not slingshot a slide on an empty chamber. Release the slide stop and ride the slide forward if you are not trying to chamber a round. Slides and springs are built for the force of picking off a round and pushing it into the chamber. I've gotten many various opinions about it being OK, but years with the same Army range office convinced me that it isn't, and I do baby my firearms a bit.
And I am one of those shooters that really like auto forward on any of my handguns that will do it. Especially when I am shooting an IDPA/USPSA match....
On a carry gun, if I have had to drop a magazine and reload for whatever reason, I quite like auto forward even more!

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Old 07-27-2018, 06:50 AM
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Out on the internet this morning I see many threads (in other forums) where slide is released clambering a round when magazine is inserted with force. That Ďmightí be ok with me BUT my Shield is NOT releasing the slide with the insertion of the mag. It is clambering a round and is loose moving around with that open slide! And then I donít know the step to correct this. I have been releasing the mag and then turning gun sideways to shake loose cartridges out of the top of the slide. Thatís when hubby said I had the gun pointing the wrong way. I knew I had index finger off the trigger but others donít know that so my very inexperienced bad!
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If you are in the Victoria, Tx area....

I might be able to help or direct you to some folks to ID the issue.

Or

Depending on your location..... seek out a reputable trainer.
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...clambering a round and is loose moving around with that open slide! ….turning gun sideways to shake loose cartridges out of the top of the slide.

It sounds like rounds are just falling out of the mag, and not being "chambered". Chambered is when they sit in the end of the barrel, and only happens if the slide closes.
Do both mags do this? Do you mean a round is chambered and then not extracted before a second round is stripped from the top of the mag?

Do you mean a round gets stripped from the mag, but does not get properly seated in the chamber, leaving the slide partially open?

There have been instances of new mag springs breaking, but it is obvious.


Number one issue is awareness of where your pointing the barrel. Learn from that incident and don't allow yourself to be distracted again.

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[QUOTE=bigwheelzip;140113386]It sounds like rounds are just falling out of the mag, and not being "chambered". Chambered is when they sit in the end of the barrel, and only happens if the slide closes.
Do both mags do this? Do you mean a round is chambered and then not extracted before a second round is stripped from the top of the mag?

There have been instances of new mag springs breaking.


Number one issue is awareness of where your pointing the barrel. Learn from that incident and don't allow yourself to be distracted again.

I donít know the answer to your questions. But yes it was a learning experience on awareness. As far as broken mag springs, upon releasing the mag and getting the loose cartridges out, closing the slide and reinserting the mag, the round was chambered, but the Shield fired normally thru the entire mag. Oh, and both the 7 and 8 mags, when fully loaded, malfunction by clambering a round when inserted.
Next range session I plan on loading one round less than capacity and inserting mags with a closed slide. Once I get more rounds thru the pistol, maybe things will improve or I will. I donít believe in calling S&W until I am positive it is the pistol and not me which I believe is most likely at this point in my experience.
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I’ve had M&P’s do this but didn’t care because the next thing most people do after inserting a loaded magazine is to release the slide, chambering a round. Don’t worry, the gun won’t go bang unless you pull the trigger, just as if you released the slide yourself.
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... Now, today hereís the dangerous part, with slide open, I smack the mag in, start to turn gun to the right and a round falls out! Because slide is open, and a round has been chambered. And when round falls out, I see the next round at the top of the mag and being inexperienced, at this point Iím trying to figure out what to do...
This clarification indicates everyoneís previous analysis is wrong. There is no mechanical way for a pistol to chamber a round and the slide to still be open. If slamming the magazine in caused the slide to close and chamber a round, it would be closed and the round would have no way to fall out.

Sounds to me what is happening is that the top round is coming unseated from the magazine when you forcefully hit it into the well. Loading one less round in the mag may prevent this, or try different mags, or learn how to load without hitting the mag so hard.

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Does your husband experience the same flaws when he loads it?
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Out on the internet this morning I see many threads (in other forums) where slide is released clambering a round when magazine is inserted with force. That ‘might’ be ok with me BUT my Shield is NOT releasing the slide with the insertion of the mag. It is clambering a round and is loose moving around with that open slide! And then I don’t know the step to correct this. I have been releasing the mag and then turning gun sideways to shake loose cartridges out of the top of the slide. That’s when hubby said I had the gun pointing the wrong way. I knew I had index finger off the trigger but others don’t know that so my very inexperienced bad!
So, your pistol has the slide open, you drive in a magazine, it auto chambers, you shoot a round or two, remove the magazine and a round falls out?

Does it do the same with both magazines?

When the top round is stripped by the slide it can drag the next round forward. Usually, this is attributed to loose or short magazine lips and/or rim lock where the top cartridge rim overlaps the next round and drags it forward.

Next time you load your magazine tap the back of the magazine on a table or hard surface. It helps align the cartridges.

Have you disassembled your magazines? If so, do it again and make sure the spring is in correctly. If you haven't or don't want to you can use a pencil and depress the follower and stick small screw driver in one of the holes to hold it. Squeeze a bit on the front portion of the feed lips. Not a lot just a bit. Gives a better hold on the round. See if that helps.

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This clarification indicates everyoneís previous analysis is wrong. There is no mechanical way for a pistol to chamber a round and the slide to still be open. If slamming the magazine in caused the slide to close and chamber a round, it would be closed and the round would have no way to fall out.

Sounds to me what is happening is that the top round is coming unseated from the magazine when you forcefully hit it into the well. Loading one less round in the mag may prevent this, or try different mags, or learn how to load without hitting the mag so hard.

Good luck.
My understanding, as explained throughout, is the same as grinner's. I believe the OP is using the term "chambers a round" very generically by describing a round being popped loose and sitting in front of the chamber, loose and on top of the magazine with the slide locked open.
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My understanding, as explained throughout, is the same as grinner's. I believe the OP is using the term "chambers a round" very generically by describing a round being popped loose and sitting in front of the chamber, loose and on top of the magazine with the slide locked open.
Thank you, I am an inexperienced lady shooter, but I have come to this conclusion also. I will be going back to the range this week. I have been watching YouTube videos and practicing proper mag insertion. I think I have been smacking that mag in with the heel (only) of my hand. I also am going to try it with loading my 2 mags with 1 round less than capacity. I know all the springs on my new Shield are stiff (for me) and Hope with more use they loosen up. I have gotten past my issue with locking the (stiff) slide open for takedown and reassembly, so hopefully get past this mag insertion issue. Cause I love the way this Shield shoots!
But FYI...I said ‘chamfering a round’ because if I ‘closed the slide’ then smacking the mag, it did chamber the round, it showed in the tiny hole on top of slide. So yes, even when inserting the mag with an open slide (more typical action for me) I called the issue ‘chamfering a round’. It was a scary situation for me, but I do believe the issue was a ‘loose’ round was in the ejection port and would then stovepipe up not allowing the slide to close. Anyway, I hope I can figure out how to get a round chambered properly with more use ��

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