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Old 08-06-2018, 04:07 PM
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Just wondering. If the M&P is a competitor to Glock, especially the new 2.0 Compact to the Glock 19, and the Kel Tec Su-2000 has an M&P version, why wouldnít S&W make a 30 or 30 plus round magazine to compete with the factory Glock 33 round mags?
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Should ask the magazine manufacturers..we can only speculate..

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S&W makes many things that Glock doesnít. Why is that? Why No 30 or 33 Round M&P Mags? Promag make 32 round magazines for the M&P9 if you must have them.


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I have two of the Pro Mags, they work.
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Because S&W shooters are better shots than Glock shooters, and don't need the extra rounds?

Honestly don't know, but I believe the Glock 33 round mag was originally designed to be used in the full auto version of the 9mm Glock pistol, the model 18.

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Because S&W shooters are better shots than Glock shooters, and don't need the extra rounds?

Honestly don't know, but I believe the Glock 33 round mag was originally designed to be used in the full auto version of the 9mm Glock pistol, the model 18.

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Maybe. I donít own any Glocks anymore. But I do own a new Ruger PC9 and I put the Glock adapter in the mag well. It sure is nice having 33 rounds in a Carbine.

So who here would want a limit of a 17 round mag in an AR? If you canít hit it with 17 rounds, why would you need a 30 round mag?

In a rifle, 33 rounds makes sense. In a pistol, not so much.
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There is basically only one reason that Glock ever offered the 33 round 9mm magazine... it was to mate with the Glock 18, a select fire machine pistol. That there are carbines by other gunmakers that accept them has nothing to do with Glock's motivation for creating them.
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I don't know the answer. However, I for one get tired waiting for the end of a 17 round magazine to arrive. Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly enjoy loading and re-loading magazines. It just seems as though it takes forever. I guess I felt the same way loading my 33-round Glock magazine the first time. In the middle of that loading I said to myself, "self, I'm getting rid of this thing". I got rid of it.
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There is basically only one reason that Glock ever offered the 33 round 9mm magazine... it was to mate with the Glock 18, a select fire machine pistol. That there are carbines by other gunmakers that accept them has nothing to do with Glock's motivation for creating them.
I’m well aware that the 33 round mag was for the Glock 18. But with the advent of the 9MM carbines it seems to be a win. It would be nice to have an extended mag for a Carbine and that can be used in a pistol.

No big deal if they don’t. Just wondering why they wouldn’t. Wouldn’t cost them much to make them. extending a tube is all. and I’m sure they would sell. Don’t see them losing money on them.

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But but but hahaha... S&W doesn't make items to support other gun maker's products. Glock doesn't either.

I'm not saying you are mistaken for wanting one or seeing the use for one, and I also agree that S&W could sell them. But if we are compiling a list of what S&W could do and should do, we have the potential to use up all the data storage the internet has to offer.

I thought the question was "why doesn't S&W offer these?" and the likely answer is because S&W doesn't make a 9mm carbine but a BETTER answer is "because S&W doesn't much care what folks think... reference the lock on all the revolvers that zero in the market actually want."
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I imagine if there had not been a Glock 18, there wouldn't be 33 round Glock mags. However, they just released a 24 round 9mm round mag, so who knows if they would have gotten around to it eventually.

A lot of folks like them for home defense and think they are practical in that role. A few guys keep them in the car or in bags when traveling for reloads. I own several just to have them, but don't usually keep them loaded except when there are incidents of civil unrest going on in my area.

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But but but hahaha... S&W doesn't make items to support other gun maker's products. Glock doesn't either.

I'm not saying you are mistaken for wanting one or seeing the use for one, and I also agree that S&W could sell them. But if we are compiling a list of what S&W could do and should do, we have the potential to use up all the data storage the internet has to offer.

I thought the question was "why doesn't S&W offer these?" and the likely answer is because S&W doesn't make a 9mm carbine but a BETTER answer is "because S&W doesn't much care what folks think... reference the lock on all the revolvers that zero in the market actually want."

Carbine or not, S&W was clearly going after the Glock with the introduction of the M&P. The 2.0 Compact is a direct competitor of the Glock 19. The M&P Full size, the new compact 2.0, and now the Compact. 3.6, seem to be in competition with the Glock 17, 19, and 26. Word is thereís a 2.0 subcompact on the way. Sort of a double stack Shield.

An extended mag that would fit all of those would be cool. Pairing it with a Carbine? Even better.
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Well, Kel-Tec sometimes make questionable firearms and when they released their 9mm carbine, they made differing models that accepted different magazines from other makers. By and large, the best selling carbines accept the Glock mag and if you buy that one, it isn't a Kel-Tec manufactured Glock-compatible mag in the box -- it is a genuine Glock mag.

Maybe if S&W REALLY wanted to eat market share from the Glock pistols woth their 2.0, they would have designed the pistol to accept Glock mags. Then you'd have your 33.
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Well, Kel-Tec sometimes make questionable firearms and when they released their 9mm carbine, they made differing models that accepted different magazines from other makers. By and large, the best selling carbines accept the Glock mag and if you buy that one, it isn't a Kel-Tec manufactured Glock-compatible mag in the box -- it is a genuine Glock mag.

Maybe if S&W REALLY wanted to eat market share from the Glock pistols woth their 2.0, they would have designed the pistol to accept Glock mags. Then you'd have your 33.

Come on! I donít own a Kel Tex and probably never will, but itís not the only game in town. Ruger included a Glock module in their new PC9 because they knew that it would be a selling point.

The M&P mags exist. The M&Pís are selling well. A larger tban 17 round d magazine would make S&W money. It would work with all three sizes of M&P. I donít see the issue.

A company that sells t-shirts and coffee mugs with the M&P logo isnít gonna hit every market? You donít think 30 round M&P mags would fly off the shelves? Maybe get ready for the next panic?
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I cannot disagree!

Now--
If S&W made no-lock revolvers, or re-opened the (real!) Performance Center and made 952's and 945's, would these guns sell?

Is there any chance S&W will do this? (probably less than zero)

FWIW, I brought up the K-T Sub-2000 because it may be the most successful PCC of recent manufacture that was designed to use somebody else's well-established magazines.

Your idea is totally rational... S&W absolutely doesn't care even a blip. But don't take it personally, they honestly care even less about me because I have no interest in basically everything they want to make.
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S&W may think that the actual market is a very small one, and that they do not want to satisfy that market demand intentionally.
Perhaps they think 'the reason for being' of the M&P line does not require a hi-cap stick, making it more desirable for activities that S&W would rather not be associated with. Just some food for thought.
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I personally would never bother with a 30-33rd mag in my pistol. I think people might buy them for the "coolness" factor.

IMO, for anyone who thinks they really NEED one, whatever the situation, what they really need is better training, more discipline.
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I personally would never bother with a 30-33rd mag in my pistol. I think people might buy them for the "coolness" factor.

IMO, for anyone who thinks they really NEED one, whatever the situation, what they really need is better training, more discipline.
I think there are some very rare circumstances where they might make sense. The Lance Thomas incidents for example. Maybe certain home defense scenarios. I find them somewhat comforting to have around during times of civil unrest and who knows about future conditions. Law enforcement is another consideration and I believe Timothy Gramins started carrying multiple 33 rounders on duty after his shoot-out. I seem to recall Dr.Gary Roberts DocGKR once mentioning keeping them in the car for emergency reloads and the Suarez International guys are fond of them.

I don't really see anymore likely need for them in a rifle, but many folks obviously feel differently.
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I don't really see anymore likely need for them in a rifle, but many folks obviously feel differently.
Yep. Law enforcement seems to like 'em just fine in rifles. The fact of the matter is the anti-gun political machine hates higher cap mags, and they fully intend to outlaw them all eventually. Magpul finally got fed up with Colorado and moved their entire operation out of state. If you have 5 or 6 armed thugs intrude into your house and threaten your family, (yes, they do travel in herds) a 30 round mag will suddenly seem like a great idea.
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Just wondering. If the M&P is a competitor to Glock, especially the new 2.0 Compact to the Glock 19, and the Kel Tec Su-2000 has an M&P version, why wouldnít S&W make a 30 or 30 plus round magazine to compete with the factory Glock 33 round mags?

Bottom line? No market or not enough market to turn a profit.
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Bottom line? No market or not enough market to turn a profit.
There's no market for hicap mags???? Pistol caliber carbines are very popular. AR9s, AK9s, Ruger PCC, Kel Tec Sub2k, etc... These all use Glock mags. One of the selling point they'll of Glocks are the fact that they except hicap mags, AND the fact that the same mags work in PCC's.

Not only that, if S&W created a 30+ round mag, other manufactures would created firearms and adaptors that supports them...
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I personally would never bother with a 30-33rd mag in my pistol. I think people might buy them for the "coolness" factor.

IMO, for anyone who thinks they really NEED one, whatever the situation, what they really need is better training, more discipline.
I agree. Using that same line of thought, I think no one NEEDS those 15-17 rounder M&P mags. No one who owns and carries the aforementioned M&Ps NEEDS to carry a spare mag as well. Like you said, they need better training....
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...maybe S&W doesn't want to be constantly replacing shot out barrels for guys doing 33 round mag dumps...
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...maybe S&W doesn't want to be constantly replacing shot out barrels for guys doing 33 round mag dumps...
Is this an issue with Glock?
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Just found this... 32 rounds M&P

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/prod...08279011641.do
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If S&W doesn't want to offer 30 round mags for the M&P, then that's their business. Mec-Gar could do it, of course. I wouldn't want a Pro-Mag. Had enough of them 20 years ago to know they're trash.

All I know is I haven't owned a Glock in 20 years. When I got the Ruger PCC-9, I immediately switched out the magwell for the Glock one. I also bought 3 33 round Glock mags (just because). I also bought 3 10 round Glock 26 mags, and several Glock 17 mags. And buying all of those mags has made me consider having a pistol to pair it to, specifically a Glock 19 or 17. And if there were quality 30 round mags for the M&P, and a mag well insert for the PCC-9, the Glock wouldn't even be considered. Making 30 round mags doesn't require research or development. It's a steel tube and a longer spring. Just seems dumb to not invest the very small investment for an easy return.

But I guess I'm a "child" for liking the versatility. And I guess I don't see the difference in offering a 30 round mag option for a rifle, when they ship every M&P 15 with one. Seems to me 17 rounds in a .223 is "enough", as well. And do you think that just maybe Ruger included a Glock adapter because it would be a drawing point to those who not only owned Glocks (NOT like myself), but to also include those who wanted the option of 30 rounds in a home defense or sporting Carbine (like myself)?

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I shoot for fun
More rounds = more fun time
In a self defense situation...more is ok or even better .
We are talking pistol calibers...tactics call for multiple hits for immediate stops...
again more is better.

So the entire .....stop liking what I don't like thing is ignorant ...IMO
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If you want to increase magazine capacity for your M&P pistols, consider magazine extensions from Taylor Freelance and others. That way you can expand capacity when you want, and keep capacity standard when you want. Best of both worlds.
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I have never considered Glock to be Smith and Wesson's competitor

Glock will never be the well rounded firearms company that Smith and Wesson is

With the exception of the Glock Model 18, I have never seen a need for a 30+ round magazine in a handgun. The 33 round Glock mag was designed for the Model 18. That is why the 33 round Glock mag initially appeared in their lineup. However most are probably purchased for the cool factor

The 15+1 rounds in my M&P357 do me just fine.

If I am going into a situation where I feel the need for a 30 round magazine, then I want something more than a hand gun to go with that extra ammunition.

In those situations I take a carbine or SMG and look for cover.


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S&W probably doesn't offer 30+ mags because of one reason. Not enough profit in it for them.

I have a few 32 round mags for a Ruger I own and though they are fun range toys, I don't envision using them for HD and efinitely not for ccw.
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It's profit driven.

You aren't going to make anymore money on a 30rd mag compared to a 17rd mag. Yeah, it's just a longer tube and spring, but S&W would have to put some capital (even a small amount is still capital) into development, testing, and production. Production itself would require assembly line time that would compete with existing product. That existing product (17rd mags) brings S&W the same amount of profit. It really doesn't make any sense to make 30 rd mags from a profit standpoint.

They will sell the 17rd mags for sure. They come with the guns. They come with contracts. They get sold as separate spares. The 30 rd mags are a very limited market. You would be stopping production of a sure sale, to produce something with less market appeal. You would be only making a couple bucks per mag. The same couple of bucks they will make on the standard size.

It's just not worth it to S&W.
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I have three recently manufactured 32 round M&P ProMags for my Keltec Sub2k. So far, 500 rounds through it with no malfunctions. Just out of curiosity, I ran a few full mags through my 2.0 compact with no issues as well. I did not like the way the compact felt with that large of a mag, but I think it's a viable option for anyone that feels the need for a 30 plus round handgun.
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“Making 30 round mags doesn't require research or development.”

If that is true, why is it that mag and often times mag springs is the #1 cause of malfunctions? Why is it that the shield and S&W had such bad “rap” for mag spring failures?


If it was so easy peasy, with no testing necessary these things would not even be a discussion point on these forums.

If there was auch a profit margin to be made for 30+ round M&P, then the after market mag makers would be all over it other than promag. The fact they are not suggests the industry has concluded there is not enough profit to get into the business.


I think whats needed clearly is belt fed handgun with unlimited length belts of ammo. It sure would be fun at the range and drive the mag capacity limiters crazy!


Same story on RSA springs as well.
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Once the liberals figure out there are 30+ round magazines for semi-automatic pistols, said pistols will go the way of the AR and the dodo bird.

Just looking into the future .... didnít say I liked it ... enjoy them while you still can.
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I don't know the answer. However, I for one get tired waiting for the end of a 17 round magazine to arrive. Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly enjoy loading and re-loading magazines. It just seems as though it takes forever. I guess I felt the same way loading my 33-round Glock magazine the first time. In the middle of that loading I said to myself, "self, I'm getting rid of this thing". I got rid of it.
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Because S&W pistols can actually put rounds on target.
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Reading this thread, some of you make excellent arguments on why "high capacity magazines" aka +10 rounds aren't needed in any gun or rifle for that matter. Would be funny if ainties did a gun control PSA using screen shots of what some gun owners post on gun forums.

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Promag make 32 round magazines for the M&P9 if you must have them.


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I have never considered Glock to be Smith and Wesson's competitor

Glock will never be the well rounded firearms company that Smith and Wesson is

With the exception of the Glock Model 18, I have never seen a need for a 30+ round magazine in a handgun. The 33 round Glock mag was designed for the Model 18. That is why the 33 round Glock mag initially appeared in their lineup. However most are probably purchased for the cool factor

The 15+1 rounds in my M&P357 do me just fine.

If I am going into a situation where I feel the need for a 30 round magazine, then I want something more than a hand gun to go with that extra ammunition.

In those situations I take a carbine or SMG and look for cover.

But this is America and there does not have to be a NEED for something, just a want or desire.
I hate to be that guy, BUT I'm surprised that you don't know that there ARE carbines that take/use the Glock larger then standard capacity magazines (32 rd 9mm and 22 rd .40 S&W).
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Reading this thread, some of you make excellent arguments on why "high capacity magazines" aka +10 rounds aren't needed in any gun or rifle for that matter. Would be funny if ainties did a gun control PSA using screen shots of what some gun owners post on gun forums.
+1

I read some of these responses, and I had to make sure I was on a "pro-gun" forum.

While I agree that I usually do not have any need for an above standard capacity magazine, I do keep a few Glocks around, specifically because I can use the larger capacity magazines with them, and carbines (pretty much the ONLY reason I keep them).

Perhaps we only need single shot handguns then, because otherwise "what they really need is better training, more discipline."

What an absurd statement.
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All the different pistols in the pawn shop where I work, one of the first questions many people as is there an "extendo" for that. The most rediculous things I ever saw was a 32 rounder for a bodyguard. Kinda defeats the purpose of small and concealable.
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But but but hahaha... S&W doesn't make items to support other gun maker's products. Glock doesn't either.

I'm not saying you are mistaken for wanting one or seeing the use for one, and I also agree that S&W could sell them. But if we are compiling a list of what S&W could do and should do, we have the potential to use up all the data storage the internet has to offer.

I thought the question was "why doesn't S&W offer these?" and the likely answer is because S&W doesn't make a 9mm carbine but a BETTER answer is "because S&W doesn't much care what folks think... reference the lock on all the revolvers that zero in the market actually want."
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All the different pistols in the pawn shop where I work, one of the first questions many people as is there an "extendo" for that. The most rediculous things I ever saw was a 32 rounder for a bodyguard. Kinda defeats the purpose of small and concealable.
Fun at the range no doubt. I don't think people actually conceal carry Glock or any other 32+ rounders.
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This discussion goes nowhere.

You could ask why S&W took as long as it did to make a pistol the size of the Glock 19, or why the 2.0 has a frame texture more like the long out-of-favor RTF2 texture - you know the one that rubbed holes in uniform shirts in two weeks; or why S&W doesn't offer armorer classes and spare parts on the same scale as Glock, or why, why, why.

And you could ask Glock why they don't make 1911s, revolvers, and ARs.

And you could ask both why they don't make hunting rifles, shotguns, and other "sporting weapons."

Like I said, this discussion goes nowhere.

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I agree itís crazy they donít make them. Sig and Glock has factory options. I only use factory mags and hope S&W will make some one day.


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And now Glock has the 24 round 9mm magazine too.


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Because S&W pistols can actually put rounds on target.
I think the majority of gun owners are overconfident in their shooting abilities. Reading the forums you would think the only reason someone would need more than a 5 shot snubby is being attacked by 6 or more thugs. That the only way one of their bullets could injure an innocent person is if it over penetrates the criminal being shot because missing is not possible. That shooting a gun in a real gunfight is as easy as shooting one at the range.

Statistics say otherwise. People miss a lot more than they hit, both civilians and police officers. Those statistics are skewed by many people that buy a gun and never practice with it but more misses than hits is also true of police that have to at least qualify once or twice a year. Every time I think I am special and statistics like that do not apply to me life finds a way to remind me that I am not nearly as special or gifted as I think I am.

There probably are some people reading this that really are capable of hitting more than they miss in a real gunfight. But unless you have a place to train where you can suddenly shoot at moving targets while moving around, or better yet compete I wouldn't count on it.

A few years ago when I bought a Glock 19 I also bought a 33 round magazine for it. I loaded and fired it once. It made the gun awkward to handle. I mostly bought it as a range toy but it wasn't really that much fun. Despite my probably not being able to make every shot count in a real gunfight having a 17 round magazine in M&P compact at home and a 7 round magazine in the Glock 43 I carry seem like enough for the sort of threats I would most likely face.

But if someone is worried about getting visited by a home invasion crew their wanting a 33 round magazine is not unreasonable.
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There is basically only one reason that Glock ever offered the 33 round 9mm magazine... it was to mate with the Glock 18, a select fire machine pistol. That there are carbines by other gunmakers that accept them has nothing to do with Glock's motivation for creating them.
Glock made them and sold them and continues to sell them because they are profitable.

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