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Old 08-06-2018, 04:07 PM
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Just wondering. If the M&P is a competitor to Glock, especially the new 2.0 Compact to the Glock 19, and the Kel Tec Su-2000 has an M&P version, why wouldnít S&W make a 30 or 30 plus round magazine to compete with the factory Glock 33 round mags?
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Should ask the magazine manufacturers..we can only speculate..

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Old 08-06-2018, 04:22 PM
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S&W makes many things that Glock doesnít. Why is that? Why No 30 or 33 Round M&P Mags? Promag make 32 round magazines for the M&P9 if you must have them.


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Old 08-06-2018, 04:24 PM
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I have two of the Pro Mags, they work.
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Because S&W shooters are better shots than Glock shooters, and don't need the extra rounds?

Honestly don't know, but I believe the Glock 33 round mag was originally designed to be used in the full auto version of the 9mm Glock pistol, the model 18.

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Because S&W shooters are better shots than Glock shooters, and don't need the extra rounds?

Honestly don't know, but I believe the Glock 33 round mag was originally designed to be used in the full auto version of the 9mm Glock pistol, the model 18.

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Maybe. I donít own any Glocks anymore. But I do own a new Ruger PC9 and I put the Glock adapter in the mag well. It sure is nice having 33 rounds in a Carbine.

So who here would want a limit of a 17 round mag in an AR? If you canít hit it with 17 rounds, why would you need a 30 round mag?

In a rifle, 33 rounds makes sense. In a pistol, not so much.
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There is basically only one reason that Glock ever offered the 33 round 9mm magazine... it was to mate with the Glock 18, a select fire machine pistol. That there are carbines by other gunmakers that accept them has nothing to do with Glock's motivation for creating them.
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I don't know the answer. However, I for one get tired waiting for the end of a 17 round magazine to arrive. Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly enjoy loading and re-loading magazines. It just seems as though it takes forever. I guess I felt the same way loading my 33-round Glock magazine the first time. In the middle of that loading I said to myself, "self, I'm getting rid of this thing". I got rid of it.
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There is basically only one reason that Glock ever offered the 33 round 9mm magazine... it was to mate with the Glock 18, a select fire machine pistol. That there are carbines by other gunmakers that accept them has nothing to do with Glock's motivation for creating them.
I’m well aware that the 33 round mag was for the Glock 18. But with the advent of the 9MM carbines it seems to be a win. It would be nice to have an extended mag for a Carbine and that can be used in a pistol.

No big deal if they don’t. Just wondering why they wouldn’t. Wouldn’t cost them much to make them. extending a tube is all. and I’m sure they would sell. Don’t see them losing money on them.

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But but but hahaha... S&W doesn't make items to support other gun maker's products. Glock doesn't either.

I'm not saying you are mistaken for wanting one or seeing the use for one, and I also agree that S&W could sell them. But if we are compiling a list of what S&W could do and should do, we have the potential to use up all the data storage the internet has to offer.

I thought the question was "why doesn't S&W offer these?" and the likely answer is because S&W doesn't make a 9mm carbine but a BETTER answer is "because S&W doesn't much care what folks think... reference the lock on all the revolvers that zero in the market actually want."
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I imagine if there had not been a Glock 18, there wouldn't be 33 round Glock mags. However, they just released a 24 round 9mm round mag, so who knows if they would have gotten around to it eventually.

A lot of folks like them for home defense and think they are practical in that role. A few guys keep them in the car or in bags when traveling for reloads. I own several just to have them, but don't usually keep them loaded except when there are incidents of civil unrest going on in my area.

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But but but hahaha... S&W doesn't make items to support other gun maker's products. Glock doesn't either.

I'm not saying you are mistaken for wanting one or seeing the use for one, and I also agree that S&W could sell them. But if we are compiling a list of what S&W could do and should do, we have the potential to use up all the data storage the internet has to offer.

I thought the question was "why doesn't S&W offer these?" and the likely answer is because S&W doesn't make a 9mm carbine but a BETTER answer is "because S&W doesn't much care what folks think... reference the lock on all the revolvers that zero in the market actually want."

Carbine or not, S&W was clearly going after the Glock with the introduction of the M&P. The 2.0 Compact is a direct competitor of the Glock 19. The M&P Full size, the new compact 2.0, and now the Compact. 3.6, seem to be in competition with the Glock 17, 19, and 26. Word is thereís a 2.0 subcompact on the way. Sort of a double stack Shield.

An extended mag that would fit all of those would be cool. Pairing it with a Carbine? Even better.
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Old 08-06-2018, 07:33 PM
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Well, Kel-Tec sometimes make questionable firearms and when they released their 9mm carbine, they made differing models that accepted different magazines from other makers. By and large, the best selling carbines accept the Glock mag and if you buy that one, it isn't a Kel-Tec manufactured Glock-compatible mag in the box -- it is a genuine Glock mag.

Maybe if S&W REALLY wanted to eat market share from the Glock pistols woth their 2.0, they would have designed the pistol to accept Glock mags. Then you'd have your 33.
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Well, Kel-Tec sometimes make questionable firearms and when they released their 9mm carbine, they made differing models that accepted different magazines from other makers. By and large, the best selling carbines accept the Glock mag and if you buy that one, it isn't a Kel-Tec manufactured Glock-compatible mag in the box -- it is a genuine Glock mag.

Maybe if S&W REALLY wanted to eat market share from the Glock pistols woth their 2.0, they would have designed the pistol to accept Glock mags. Then you'd have your 33.

Come on! I donít own a Kel Tex and probably never will, but itís not the only game in town. Ruger included a Glock module in their new PC9 because they knew that it would be a selling point.

The M&P mags exist. The M&Pís are selling well. A larger tban 17 round d magazine would make S&W money. It would work with all three sizes of M&P. I donít see the issue.

A company that sells t-shirts and coffee mugs with the M&P logo isnít gonna hit every market? You donít think 30 round M&P mags would fly off the shelves? Maybe get ready for the next panic?
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I cannot disagree!

Now--
If S&W made no-lock revolvers, or re-opened the (real!) Performance Center and made 952's and 945's, would these guns sell?

Is there any chance S&W will do this? (probably less than zero)

FWIW, I brought up the K-T Sub-2000 because it may be the most successful PCC of recent manufacture that was designed to use somebody else's well-established magazines.

Your idea is totally rational... S&W absolutely doesn't care even a blip. But don't take it personally, they honestly care even less about me because I have no interest in basically everything they want to make.
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S&W may think that the actual market is a very small one, and that they do not want to satisfy that market demand intentionally.
Perhaps they think 'the reason for being' of the M&P line does not require a hi-cap stick, making it more desirable for activities that S&W would rather not be associated with. Just some food for thought.
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I personally would never bother with a 30-33rd mag in my pistol. I think people might buy them for the "coolness" factor.

IMO, for anyone who thinks they really NEED one, whatever the situation, what they really need is better training, more discipline.
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I personally would never bother with a 30-33rd mag in my pistol. I think people might buy them for the "coolness" factor.

IMO, for anyone who thinks they really NEED one, whatever the situation, what they really need is better training, more discipline.
I think there are some very rare circumstances where they might make sense. The Lance Thomas incidents for example. Maybe certain home defense scenarios. I find them somewhat comforting to have around during times of civil unrest and who knows about future conditions. Law enforcement is another consideration and I believe Timothy Gramins started carrying multiple 33 rounders on duty after his shoot-out. I seem to recall Dr.Gary Roberts DocGKR once mentioning keeping them in the car for emergency reloads and the Suarez International guys are fond of them.

I don't really see anymore likely need for them in a rifle, but many folks obviously feel differently.
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I don't really see anymore likely need for them in a rifle, but many folks obviously feel differently.
Yep. Law enforcement seems to like 'em just fine in rifles. The fact of the matter is the anti-gun political machine hates higher cap mags, and they fully intend to outlaw them all eventually. Magpul finally got fed up with Colorado and moved their entire operation out of state. If you have 5 or 6 armed thugs intrude into your house and threaten your family, (yes, they do travel in herds) a 30 round mag will suddenly seem like a great idea.
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Just wondering. If the M&P is a competitor to Glock, especially the new 2.0 Compact to the Glock 19, and the Kel Tec Su-2000 has an M&P version, why wouldnít S&W make a 30 or 30 plus round magazine to compete with the factory Glock 33 round mags?

Bottom line? No market or not enough market to turn a profit.
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Bottom line? No market or not enough market to turn a profit.
There's no market for hicap mags???? Pistol caliber carbines are very popular. AR9s, AK9s, Ruger PCC, Kel Tec Sub2k, etc... These all use Glock mags. One of the selling point they'll of Glocks are the fact that they except hicap mags, AND the fact that the same mags work in PCC's.

Not only that, if S&W created a 30+ round mag, other manufactures would created firearms and adaptors that supports them...
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I personally would never bother with a 30-33rd mag in my pistol. I think people might buy them for the "coolness" factor.

IMO, for anyone who thinks they really NEED one, whatever the situation, what they really need is better training, more discipline.
I agree. Using that same line of thought, I think no one NEEDS those 15-17 rounder M&P mags. No one who owns and carries the aforementioned M&Ps NEEDS to carry a spare mag as well. Like you said, they need better training....
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...maybe S&W doesn't want to be constantly replacing shot out barrels for guys doing 33 round mag dumps...
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...maybe S&W doesn't want to be constantly replacing shot out barrels for guys doing 33 round mag dumps...
Is this an issue with Glock?
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