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Old 09-01-2018, 03:54 PM
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I really want a Bodyguard! But, I want the 2.0 version!

The one that addresses it's current issues. Light primer strikes, stovepipes, another round or two, the long heavy trigger!

Do that, and I am in!
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Old 09-01-2018, 04:42 PM
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My guess, sir, is that there will be no Bodyguard 2.0. Bout as close as they're going to get it the .380EZ. I've seen nothing but good reviews on the EZ, but it is a lot bigger than the BG. I hope I'm wrong!!
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Old 09-01-2018, 04:51 PM
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Don't have a Bodyguard myself but if above complaints are true it would be great if above malfunctions are remedied in the current offering. Nice looking little gun but will stick with my CS-9
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Old 09-01-2018, 10:50 PM
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I agree. I have resisted buying an LCPII in hopes of a better Bodyguard 380.
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:05 PM
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I have a pair of BG380's (in 1.0). One early one with laser, the other , recent production without. Both have been very reliable and trouble free.
No doubt the gun has it's limitations but, I feel it's a great pocket carry gun (as is) for summer carry or when I'm just too lazy to wear a holster/something bigger.
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Old 09-02-2018, 04:27 PM
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I really want a Bodyguard! But, I want the 2.0 version!

The one that addresses it's current issues. Light primer strikes, stovepipes, another round or two, the long heavy trigger!

Do that, and I am in!
My Bodyguard never had any light primer strikes or stovepipes. Six rounds pretty much go with small pocket pistols, and I am at peace with the long trigger. I've heard many call the trigger pull hard, but I guess they never shot a WW1 Colt Model 1917.

As others have said, you might be more interested in a .380 EZ with a couple more rounds. I really like mine, but the Bodyguard is much better suited for pocket carry.

For it's intended use and purpose, the Bodyguard is a pretty good gun.
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Old 09-02-2018, 06:24 PM
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The BG M&P is "improved". I love this thing, and after finding out what ammo it likes best ( any pocket pistol needs ammo it likes best), it has been 100% reliable with nearly 800 rounds fired, and a fine carry piece stoked with Hornady American Gunner

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Old 09-02-2018, 11:53 PM
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I'd love for S&W to come out with a 2.0 Bodyguard. Several years ago, I ended up with an original LCP and used it for occasional pocket carry when I needed a more discrete carry option than my Shield IWB. I have large hands and the LCP turned out to be too small for me. If I had time to make sure I could grip it properly, no problem. When I gripped it in a hurry, I'd often grip it poorly and, as a result, shot it poorly. I bought a Glock 42 and, for me, it works VERY well. JUST enough larger that I can grip it well, no matter how fast I grab it. I have shot a friend's Bodyguard and found that, while the grip is just enough larger than the LCP that I can grip it well, I can't stand the trigger, at least on the one I shot. LONG, HEAVY and kinda gritty and jerky. WAY worse than any snubbie .38 I ever had or shot.

My wish list for a 2.0 Bodyguard would be striker fired with a short, light pull, option for no thumb safety and option for no built-in laser, like the current M&P Bodyguard. I like the existing sights, the grip and the overall size, just change the trigger, get rid of the thumb safety and keep the option for no laser. If the trigger was at least decent, I'd probably buy the first one I could find so I could finally completely ditch Glocks.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:37 AM
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I'd love for S&W to come out with a 2.0 Bodyguard. Several years ago, I ended up with an original LCP and used it for occasional pocket carry when I needed a more discrete carry option than my Shield IWB. I have large hands and the LCP turned out to be too small for me. If I had time to make sure I could grip it properly, no problem. When I gripped it in a hurry, I'd often grip it poorly and, as a result, shot it poorly. I bought a Glock 42 and, for me, it works VERY well. JUST enough larger that I can grip it well, no matter how fast I grab it. I have shot a friend's Bodyguard and found that, while the grip is just enough larger than the LCP that I can grip it well, I can't stand the trigger, at least on the one I shot. LONG, HEAVY and kinda gritty and jerky. WAY worse than any snubbie .38 I ever had or shot.

My wish list for a 2.0 Bodyguard would be striker fired with a short, light pull, option for no thumb safety and option for no built-in laser, like the current M&P Bodyguard. I like the existing sights, the grip and the overall size, just change the trigger, get rid of the thumb safety and keep the option for no laser. If the trigger was at least decent, I'd probably buy the first one I could find so I could finally completely ditch Glocks.
Your wish list is describing a Ruger LCP II with Hogue overgrips, as perfect as a tiny .380 like this is likely to get. The DAO hammer of the Bodyguard dooms it to a long, heavy pull. Getting the spring rate light enough for a sensible trigger pull introduces light strikes. The pre-cocked striker fired mechanism on LCP's is not perfect, but it goes bang every time. Only thing it gives up is second strike capability. The Hogue grip makes them perfect for my medium sized hand.
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Old 09-03-2018, 06:58 AM
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My Bodyguard has been 100% reliable, although I admit I don’t shoot it that often. I have the newer M&P version with no laser. It has only shot Winchester white box and my own reloads since .380 ammo is expensive. The long trigger pull is fine in a pocket pistol. I shoot it from around 20 feet and just point the gun and yank that trigger as fast as I can as I would if I used it for real. Torso hits every time. I even set up small targets on the ground like coffee cans or cat litter containers. Pull the gun and rip off rounds as I rapidly back up as if a dog was attacking me. The target gets hit with every round.

The one issue I do have with it, but it’s easily avoided, is inserting the magazine. The mag release button must be depressed as you insert the mag or the mag will hit the inside of the mag catch and hang up. Some people say “just ram it in and it will break in”. What they’re doing is ramming it in to wear down that nub on the inside which will eventually fail and the mag won’t stay in. If an emergency, ramming it in would be fine but repeatedly doing it is gonna break the part. There have been complaints on this forum, on YouTube, and I’m quite sure directly to S&W themselves, but they have not addressed it. I know I called and asked and the guy on the phone said they have gotten calls. My BG is like 2 years old so maybe they have made changes to newer ones, but if they have, they should issue a recall to all older models and fix the issue. I guess they’re just gonna wait until the part does break and let the issue get fixed when the owner sends it back. Or they’re hoping people like me have figured out how to avoid the issue and will never send it back for that. But there’s gotta be a way to modify the catch so it will pop slightly in as the mag hits it and slide back as the mag passes to pop itself into the notch on the magazine. If you take the slide off and look into the mag well as you slide a mag in, you can see the lip of the mag rams right up into the inside nub of the mag catch. Pressing the mag button retracts that nub And allows you to effortlessly slide the mag in. If you do it slowly with the slide off, press the button and just slide the mag lip past the nub and release the button. Then keep inserting the mag and when the mag catch lines up with the nub it will pop in as it should. When I load mine for carry, I press the mag button, fully insert the mag, and release the button. Then just give it a tug to make sure it’s fully seated.

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Old 09-03-2018, 10:10 AM
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My Bodyguard has been 100% reliable, although I admit I don’t shoot it that often. I have the newer M&P version with no laser. It has only shot Winchester white box and my own reloads since .380 ammo is expensive. The long trigger pull is fine in a pocket pistol. I shoot it from around 20 feet and just point the gun and yank that trigger as fast as I can as I would if I used it for real. Torso hits every time.
That may not be the best way. The Bodyguard only has seven rounds, save some for his partner(s).
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:25 AM
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I wish they scrapped the BG together and made a G42 sized, or smaller, Shield 2.0 in 380ACP to compete against the G42. I never liked the look nor was I ever really interested in the BG. If S&W came out with a small 2.0 Shield style 380 and priced it for under $300, it would kill both the G42's and the Ruger LCP's sales.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:59 AM
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That may not be the best way. The Bodyguard only has seven rounds, save some for his partner(s).
Of course. If there were two targets they’d both get some. But at less than 10 feet I’m not missing.
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Old 09-03-2018, 07:28 PM
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Your wish list is describing a Ruger LCP II with Hogue overgrips, as perfect as a tiny .380 like this is likely to get. The DAO hammer of the Bodyguard dooms it to a long, heavy pull. Getting the spring rate light enough for a sensible trigger pull introduces light strikes. The pre-cocked striker fired mechanism on LCP's is not perfect, but it goes bang every time. Only thing it gives up is second strike capability. The Hogue grip makes them perfect for my medium sized hand.
Not entirely true. The LCPII, like the original LCP, is hammer fired, not striker fired. It is pretty much single action only, in that pulling the trigger doesn't have to cock the hammer, but the hammer is definitely there. Since it has a trigger safety to add to drop safety, I don't have a problem with it, myself, and would have no problem pocket carrying one with a proper pocket holster that completely covers the trigger guard. I haven't even handled one, though, let alone fired one. What worries me about the LCPII is that the butt doesn't really seem any larger, front to back, than the original LCP. My problem with the original LCP was that the butt was so small that I can't effectively grab it and have my hand properly positioned. I'd have to try one to make sure and, to me, it just isn't that big of a deal. Based on my experience with my M&P 2.0, I'd love to try a striker fired Bodyguard 2.0, though, if S&W would come out with one. I'll eventually try out an LCPII, just not real high on my priority list right now. My Glock 42 works very well for what I want it for, it's just that it is my last Glock (or will be when I get out to qualify with my M&P 2.0 to replace my Glock 19 as my duty gun at my PD job) and, based on my extremely bad experiences with Glock's customer service, one of my goals is to completely ditch Glocks. I'll get there eventually, no big rush till I find just the right gun to replace the G42.
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:49 PM
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Not entirely true. The LCPII, like the original LCP, is hammer fired, not striker fired. It is pretty much single action only, in that pulling the trigger doesn't have to cock the hammer, but the hammer is definitely there. Since it has a trigger safety to add to drop safety, I don't have a problem with it, myself, and would have no problem pocket carrying one with a proper pocket holster that completely covers the trigger guard. I haven't even handled one, though, let alone fired one. What worries me about the LCPII is that the butt doesn't really seem any larger, front to back, than the original LCP. My problem with the original LCP was that the butt was so small that I can't effectively grab it and have my hand properly positioned. I'd have to try one to make sure and, to me, it just isn't that big of a deal. Based on my experience with my M&P 2.0, I'd love to try a striker fired Bodyguard 2.0, though, if S&W would come out with one. I'll eventually try out an LCPII, just not real high on my priority list right now. My Glock 42 works very well for what I want it for, it's just that it is my last Glock (or will be when I get out to qualify with my M&P 2.0 to replace my Glock 19 as my duty gun at my PD job) and, based on my extremely bad experiences with Glock's customer service, one of my goals is to completely ditch Glocks. I'll get there eventually, no big rush till I find just the right gun to replace the G42.
LCP drop safety? One of the main complaints and reasons some say they won't carry a LCP is because they don't feel comfortable with the fact that it lacks a firing pin block like most other modern day pistols have. Other than a recall on the original LCP back in 2008 for not being drop safe, I haven't heard of it being an issue; however, it's still something to take into consideration.

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LCP drop safety? One of the main complaints and reasons some say they won't carry a LCP is because they don't feel comfortable with the fact that it lacks a firing pin block like most other modern day pistols have. Other than a recall on the original LCP back in 2008 for not being drop safe, I haven't heard of it being an issue; however, it's still something to take into consideration.
There's no firing pin safety, but the reason given for Ruger putting a trigger with the Glock-like blade in it was for drop safety. Since the LCPII has a pretty light trigger, if dropped directly on the rear of the slide, the possibility exists that the trigger could move back enough to fire the gun through inertia when the gun comes to a sudden stop, but the trigger wants to keep moving backward. That is the reason that Glocks, for example, have the "trigger safety". It keeps the trigger from moving backwards if the gun is dropped directly on the rear of the slide. If you put your finger on the trigger and purposely pull it, your finger deactivates this safety automatically. It is part of the drop safety system.

I don't know about the LCPII, but I did disassemble my old, 1st Gen LCP one time to clean it up after it got wet. The firing pin is light enough, and the firing pin spring strong enough, that I can't see it being able to go forward hard enough to set off a primer, even if dropped from a pretty great height and directly onto the muzzle. There just isn't enough mass there, and what mass there is works against the firing pin spring. If the LCPII's firing pin is made the same, then it should also be good to go. As I said above, I have never held or shot an LCPII but, as long as it fits my hand well, I wouldn't have a problem carrying it at all.
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The mag release button must be depressed as you insert the mag or the mag will hit the inside of the mag catch and hang up. Some people say “just ram it in and it will break in”.
Polish the corner of the mag and you won't have to "ram it in" or push the release button to insert a mag ever again. They'll slide in like butter and the plastic mag catch will thank you.
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Polish the corner of the mag and you won't have to "ram it in" or push the release button to insert a mag ever again. They'll slide in like butter and the plastic mag catch will thank you.
Polish it how?
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Polish it how?
I used a jewelers file to radius the corner, then polished it on my buffing wheel. 600-800 sandpaper would work also.
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I guess I'm lucky with my BG, no feed or light strike issues with factory or hand loaded ammo. To date, 500 rounds thru mine. Yeah, the trigger is heavy but I've learned to live with it.
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I Love the BG380. I have had four of them. Why because I always think I needed something better. On the fourth one I purchased I just realized for what it is, it is a perfect pocket pistol. I like the long heavy trigger just for that reason. If I want to carry small for that day the BG380 is the only way to go for me.
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