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Old 09-18-2018, 10:01 PM
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Wondering if there are any magazine extensions available to increase magazine capacity to 10 rounds in the M&P Shield that would be considered reliable enough to use for CCW?

I’ve seen a few different companies advertising parts to increase the OEM magazines, so just wondering what ones if any, would be considered as good as the originals??

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Old 09-18-2018, 10:50 PM
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The more popular way to increase mag capacity in the Shield, is by using the MagGuts Spring kits. The original hit gives you 1 extra Capacity in the mag, the newer version gives you 2 extra (9 in the flush 9mm mag and 10 in the extended 9mm mag).

Do a Forum search for MagGuts and you will find quite a few threads with satisfied customers.
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I've read good reviews and seen the (retail) prices on the MagGuts magazine conversion kits. For the cost I would do the +8 conversion - buying a spare factory magazine - and practicing rapid reloads.
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I have the Hyve Technologies on my 8 round factory mag but they are, in my opinion, too long for concealment. I carry 2 7 rounders with the Magguts extension giving me 9 rounds in each and they are only 1/4” longer than the factory ones. I have found both to be reliable and the Magguts wth the “Z” springs are easy to load.
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I may be a sample of one, but my 7 round Mag guts +2 conversion failed. It acted as if the spring quit, three times in a row. Simply would not feed and I have reverted to carrying factory mags.
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Old 09-19-2018, 04:27 PM
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Thanks for the helpful replies...
I absolutely love the M&P Shield; I started out with the original a few years back and added a M2 earlier this year

I have been through a few defensive training courses with it now and have the confidence with it to make it my EDC..

It’s replaced my full-size M&P because I can carry it everywhere everyday that’s legal to do so. And so rather than rotate between the two, I’d rather do all my serious defensive training with one and get as good as I can with it..I feel as adequate with it for accuracy and follow up shots with recoil as it fits me very well.

But, that gets me back to my question on wanting to enhance and modify my Shield OEM magazine to be able to hold 10 rounds like my full-size, as a part of me feels that that is the one compromise I am not fully happy with and if I could change it and not effect reliability,,then why not??

Thanks again for any suggestions
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Just my 2 cents worth.....

I own 2 Shields 2.0's and a total of 4 - 8 round magazines and 4 - 7 rounds magazines. All the 8 - round magazines have been converted to 10 round magazines using the Maggots +2 inserts and the 7 round magazines convert to 9 rounds using the Striker +2 plate.

There have been zero feed related issues with either setup and using a wide range of ammunition.

I use the Maggots +2 magazines for everyday carry and the Striker +2 for range use but have complete confidences.
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MHO, don't bother to mess with weapons to be used for self defense. Buy the correct gun for your wants/needs.

The Shield is an excellent choice with the stock and +1 mags, as a single stack weapon.

If you feel you want/need more rounds, consider a 9c or compact 9 2.0.

With these, you have options for 12, 15, or 17 rounds in a single mag.

Add one in the chamber, and you gots lots! Add an extra mag or two, and you are loaded for bear.

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Old 09-19-2018, 09:21 PM
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MHO, don't bother to mess with weapons to be used for self defense. Buy the correct gun for your wants/needs.

The Shield is an excellent choice with the stock and +1 mags, as a single stack weapon.

If you feel you want/need more rounds, consider a 9c or compact 9 2.0.

With these, you have options for 12, 15, or 17 rounds in a single mag.

Add one in the chamber, and you gots lots! Add an extra mag or two, and you are loaded for bear.

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The thing is, is other than capacity,,I feel that the Shield is absolutely the correct gun “for me” as my defensive EDC..
The trigger reach/and thickness works extremely well for me to control recoil, execute super fast follow shots with excellent combat accuracy!
I did consider a compact for round count, but from what I have seen and understand, as they are the same size “grip & trigger reach” as the full size..I like for range use but feel the shield is a better handling pistol for defensive purposes and one I can carry regardless of season/clothing.

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I have shield and just got the 2.0 9c with 3.6” barrel. Both are 9mm

Recently took both to the range. Size wise, the 9c is longer in the barrel. Not much of an issue for concealment. The 9c is noticeably wider and much heavier fully loaded.

The 2.0 9c shoots easier, less recoil so for me I like shooting it better than the shield, not that the shield is in any way objectionable. The 9c Just felt softer.

My shield is the first gen and smooth compared to the aggressive 2.0 grip texture. Funny thing was once gripped, I didn’t really notice the difference. If anything I was surprised that I may have preferred the 2.0 grip better in the hand. The jury is still out how that abrasive grip will feel against my body/clothes to carry.

I think that aside from pants pocket carry. The combo of the shield and the 9c are really about perfect.

At this point my plan is to carry the 9c whenever I can conceal it with clothing. If I think I need deeper concealment, I will take the shield. I am not a big guy so pocket carry other than cargo pants pocket is not practical for either of these guns. For pocket carry I will use my wifes 642, or I may buy a LCR revolver for myself.

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The thing is, is other than capacity,,I feel that the Shield is absolutely the correct gun “for me” as my defensive EDC..
Here’s the problem I see, in your response, “other then capacity”, so if the capacity is not adequate for you, then it is NOT the correct gun for you.

I also strongly recommend against using anything other then original equipment magazines for self defense.
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Old 09-19-2018, 10:28 PM
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With a Shield 8 +1, I've got enough rounds to hit four perps, 2X each, with one left over. I think an extra mag would be a good idea if you run into more than four attackers.
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Old 09-19-2018, 10:37 PM
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Here’s the problem I see, in your response, “other then capacity”, so if the capacity is not adequate for you, then it is NOT the correct gun for you.

I also strongly recommend against using anything other then original equipment magazines for self defense.
Well,, that’s the thing..it’s more a “mental thing” that I would be more comfortable with a couple extra rounds..But in reality I pray to never need any.

Perhaps sooner or later there will be a OEM 10 Round single stack magazine for the Shield that would be as reliable as the originals.
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Old 09-19-2018, 10:55 PM
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I guess you should buy that new Sig. When carrying my Shield (V1), as the mags are fairly thin, I carry two spares in my pocket. They are the 8 rounders and I lose the grip extension as it bulks them up in the pocket. Actually, by now I'm sure I've lost the grip extensions. That's more ammo than I carried for much of my LEO career. I think it's plenty.
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Old 09-19-2018, 11:14 PM
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I use Strike Industries E.M.P. with wolf springs for a total of ten rounds. These have worked flawlessly but I don’t carry them. It might be me but I prefer to carry my gun stock with extra magazines.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:58 AM
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I have heard/read about as many failures of the factory shield mag springs as I have of the magguts conversions. Yes, test them as you would any carry gun for funtion of guns and mags.

Question for those folks who would not carry an aftermarket mag conversion.

If S&w would buy, or contract out a vendor such as magguts to produce the mags without any changes to the magguts current materials . Would it suddenly be OK and “safe” to carry this mag/spring combination?

As far as the 8 round mag without the extension rings. Be careful as these extensions are to prevent over insertion of the mag and possible malfunctions!

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I may be a sample of one, but my 7 round Mag guts +2 conversion failed. It acted as if the spring quit, three times in a row. Simply would not feed and I have reverted to carrying factory mags.
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I may be a sample of one, but my 7 round Mag guts +2 conversion failed. It acted as if the spring quit, three times in a row. Simply would not feed and I have reverted to carrying factory mags.
I have used the Magguts +2 in my 8 rd mag and its great!

Only down side is when using a mag loader for the 1st rd. the front of the follower jumps and almost came out before inserting 1st rd, stopped it so don't know if it would have come out but after 1st rd. was inserted manually all was fine.

Contact magguts and they said not to use a mag loader to load 1st or 2nd rd!
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I purchased 2 , 10 round magazines from Promag.
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I purchased 2 , 10 round magazines from Promag.

U could not pay me to even take Pro-Mags for free!
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The reputation and reliability of magguts is FAR superior to anything promag. I have no idea how they can stay in business.
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No offense to the OP or anyone else that needs more rounds in their gun BUT if you actually need more rounds, get more gun. This isn't that much more gun to carry.
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No offense to the OP or anyone else that needs more rounds in their gun BUT if you actually need more rounds, get more gun. This isn't that much more gun to carry.
Strange how highest capacity is all the rage now. Accuracy beats "spray & pray" any day.....How in the world did our fore fathers tame this country with muzzle loaders and single actions?

BTW I have 2 Shields, standard capacity.
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No offense to the OP or anyone else that needs more rounds in their gun BUT if you actually need more rounds, get more gun. This isn't that much more gun to carry.
The OP already stated that he didn't want the 9c.
Going by 'the numbers', no, it's not that much, but it's a difference that one can definitely feel IWB and in the hand.

Size vs Capacity is one of the trade-offs almost everyone wants to attempt to circumvent, rather than accept and live with.

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The OP already stated that he didn't want the 9c.
Going by 'the numbers', no, it's not that much, but it's a difference that one can definitely feel IWB and in the hand.

Size vs Capacity is one of the trade-offs almost everyone wants to attempt to circumvent, rather than accept and live with.
Rock and a hard place.
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The OP already stated that he didn't want the 9c.
Going by 'the numbers', no, it's not that much, but it's a difference that one can definitely feel IWB and in the hand.

Size vs Capacity is one of the trade-offs almost everyone wants to attempt to circumvent, rather than accept and live with.
Bingo I absolutely love the Shield! I already have the full-size and think that the compact would feel the same in the hand..

Capacity isn’t going to be enough of a deciding factor as it’s only a couple more rounds and I do train reloads frequently.
All I was wondering is if there is a “reliable” means to add to the Shields OEM Magazine and if there was, Well why not
Seems at this point, it’s still a little iffy to alter any EDC setup..

But who know, maybe eventually there will be a OEM 10 Round mag for the Shield..That would be cool, especially for an option or reload.
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I may be a sample of one, but my 7 round Mag guts +2 conversion failed. It acted as if the spring quit, three times in a row. Simply would not feed and I have reverted to carrying factory mags.
I don't have any of the +2 Magguts kits installed, but do have six 8rd mags converted to 9rd with the Magguts +1 kits.
Two things you have to watch out for: the base plate lock adapter must overlap the rear of the mag, and the Z-spring has to be inserted properly. The spring can be put in backwards, and will cause problems if not put in according to instructions. The +1 kit does not increase the length of the 8rd mag at all.

I've put at least 100 rounds through each converted mag without so much as a hiccup, using both 124gr FMJ range ammo, and my 147gr JHP carry loads. I carry the 9rd Magguts plus one in the chamber, and an extra 9rd mag. I trust the combination fully.
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Strange how highest capacity is all the rage now. Accuracy beats "spray & pray" any day.....How in the world did our fore fathers tame this country with muzzle loaders and single actions?

BTW I have 2 Shields, standard capacity.
Considering they were only concerned with arrows and spears, and an occasional single shot shooting back, I would consider them matched up pretty well! Now a days, bad guys have lots of bullets available, too!
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Considering they were only concerned with arrows and spears, and an occasional single shot shooting back, I would consider them matched up pretty well! Now a days, bad guys have lots of bullets available, too!
Still if someone made a belt fed from a fanny pack 9mm....People would buy it.
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Why do Soooo many people associate the desire for more capacity believe that the individual is believing in a “spray and pray” mentality?

To me the issue comes down to whether or not you believe that a threat potential exists for more than one bad guy.

Those who believe that they only need and should prepare for a single bad guy, well then a 5 shot Nframe is fine. Certainly a standard single stack such as a 7 or 8+1 is more than adequate.

Those that believe they best plan for at least two or maybe three bad guys, because predators always seem to travel in packs, then they believe that more capacity without the need to change mags is necessary. So the double stack guns such as the the 2.0 9c or the G19 wiuld be more appropriate.

Single hits on a bad guy often does not stop the threat. And the “miss rate” in high adrenaline situations is for the average guy is maybe 50%.
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Bingo the compact would feel the same in the hand..
So this isn't about concealing it then? More about how it fits your hand? Now I'm confused.
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So this isn't about concealing it then? More about how it fits your hand? Now I'm confused.
Well..the Shield does Conceal extremely easy and is very comfortable to carry all day, every day; so yes this is a factor

But, I do really like the feel of the Shield in my hand; shooting one handed or two, I feel like I can really control the pistol,,
trigger manipulation, recoil control for fast follow up shots, contributing to accuracy & overall shoot -ability!

For slow bullseye target shooting, at longer distances,,I can most likely have tighter groups with my “full-size M&P” and for this use, would most likely choose this platform; however,,for a self defense fighting pistol, I feel that the Shield fits the needs more tactically and I have trained with it to be proficient, making it an overall better choice “for me” for an everyday CCW

Maybe it’s because of all the training I have did with the M&P Shield at combat range in defensive scenarios that help make this pistol feel great in my hand..I am sure that has been a big contributor...
Rather than swap back and forth between the two pistols,,I made the decision to choose the one that I can always carry regardless of clothing, and do my best to become as proficient as possible!
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With a Shield 8 +1, I've got enough rounds to hit four perps, 2X each, with one left over. I think an extra mag would be a good idea if you run into more than four attackers.
If they’re shooting back does your accuracy level drop off? Please don’t say no.
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So this isn't about concealing it then? More about how it fits your hand? Now I'm confused.
You shouldn’t be. It’ a package. Concealibility and feel in the hand. I have both and the Shield wins out every time in these areas for everyday carry.
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Hey guys. First Post. Love my grand-dad's chiefs special and I have a M2.0 shield in 9mm for about six months.

Listen, I get that people might feel that general good faith advice is helpful on advisability of increasing mag capacity. and that has a place. On the other hand it is also clear a lot of people who have done all proper considerations do have a compelling interest in increasing capacity, even if for others this is a non-issue. It was one of the first things i thought about when looking at shield a couple of years ago and I have tried to follow most discussions of this.

To me the issue is not convenience at the range, I'd rather practice swapping mags anyway, but for defensive concealed carry.

***So I do think the more info we can have on -- even if anecdotal -- on defensive ammo performance on the half dozen or more alternatives, the better.*** If i was richer I would buy all the methods/makes of extension and run a few hundred rounds of various makes of JHP, through each type of extensions scheme on both the oem 7 and oem 8 round mags. short of that it would be good to know if anyone has run a decent amount of JHP though an particular one with positive or negative results.
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Longer discussion of why you may not, but some shield owners might find an compelling interest in getting a couple of more rounds.

In my particular case, I'm in DC and I can't possess >10 round mags anywhere in DC.

In DC the limit while carrying is 20 rounds total and two "loads" total, meaning one "load" in the gun and one single spare mag. sure the difference between (7+1)+8=16 and (8+1)+10=19 (with a maguts no increase in size on the 7, and say a hyde2 on 8 spare to bring it to 10) is not much, but it still is 19% more firepower.

For those who say: "do you expect to spray and pray or get in a huge firefight?", I say I dont expect anything, but I do know about 99% of defensive gun use involves never firing so really if you are going to use the logic that capacity doesn't matter then we call all do with single shot.

In DC cops carry 17+1+17+17. Ie 52 rounds standard every day for the average beat cop, not to mention what else might be in a patrol car.
OK I am not a cop but DC has a 26% gun ownership rate, and 1% of it is legal meaning 1/4 of the entire population of my fair city, or nearly half the males here are already gun criminals. While I know the vast majority of Us shootings are criminal on criminal, I also know that the risk of me being faced with one or two armed attackers is much higher relative to other places because of the huge proportion of criminals with guns here.

If you ask why not a p365, my answer would also reflect why some considerations are different depending on where you live, where you carry. for me it is because the 365 has no external manual safety. I never had a striker fired gun before. I've got granddad's revolver, and a couple of Sig SA/DA. That is +10lbs on first (long) pull. Now sure, we all know 99.999% of NDs are operator error. And I sure as heck support anyone who elects no safety. But in DC there are a few times a week where I must unchamber and fully unload the gun while sitting in my car. if I park on the street in front of my kid's school I am ok, I am still ok if I get out and stand on the sidewalk. But if I have to go in and sign him out my firearm has to be locked in my trunk with ammo separate. If I get on the DC metro (bus or subway) or even a cab, I also have to remove mag and unchamber the gun and put it and the mag in separate little locking pouches I keep in my backpack or briefcase. My guess is that a lot of you who (correctly) feel fine without no safety, might themselves prefer a safety in a place and set of habits where you have to unload, including unchambering, a striker, and reload it as well, outside the comfort of your home in a place where any ND is going to be noticed and bring down 50 cops, a lost carry gun licences and likely prosecution of public endangerment.

For sure there are lots of people with strikers and no external safety that are disciplined an profoundly safe. I consider myself very proficient and disciplined with finger indexing, care in re-holstering etc. But I have to manipulate the handgun a lot outside my home and an ND where I live will be noticed much more for example than my brother in southern Virginia. His might be as simple as being upset at himself for shooting a hole in the floorboard of his truck at his farm, mine might involve helicopters, federal agents and handcuffs, or due simply to density, someone hurt.

So I get the good faith advice people have given from their point of view concerning other alternatives (not extending, considering a different gun) but the interest in extensions is legit.

Thanks!

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Hey guys. First Post. Love my grand-dad's chiefs special and I have a M2.0 shield in 9mm for about six months.

Listen, I get that people might feel that general good faith advice is helpful on advisability of increasing mag capacity. and that has a place. On the other hand it is also clear a lot of people who have done all proper considerations do have a compelling interest in increasing capacity, even if for others this is a non-issue. It was one of the first things i thought about when looking at shield a couple of years ago and I have tried to follow most discussions of this.

To me the issue is not convenience at the range, I'd rather practice swapping mags anyway, but for defensive concealed carry.

***So I do think the more info we can have on -- even if anecdotal -- on defensive ammo performance on the half dozen or more alternatives, the better.*** If i was richer I would buy all the methods/makes of extension and run a few hundred rounds of various makes of JHP, through each type of extensions scheme on both the oem 7 and oem 8 round mags. short of that it would be good to know if anyone has run a decent amount of JHP though an particular one with positive or negative results.
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Longer discussion of why you may not, but some shield owners might find an compelling interest in getting a couple of more rounds.

In my particular case, I'm in DC and I can't possess >10 round mags anywhere in DC.

In DC the limit while carrying is 20 rounds total and two "loads" total, meaning one "load" in the gun and one single spare mag. sure the difference between (7+1)+8=16 and (8+1)+10=19 (with a maguts no increase in size on the 7, and say a hyde2 on 8 spare to bring it to 10) is not much, but it still is 19% more firepower.

For those who say: "do you expect to spray and pray or get in a huge firefight?", I say I dont expect anything, but I do know about 99% of defensive gun use involves never firing so really if you are going to use the logic that capacity doesn't matter then we call all do with single shot.

In DC cops carry 17+1+17+17. Ie 52 rounds standard every day for the average beat cop, not to mention what else might be in a patrol car.
OK I am not a cop but DC has a 26% gun ownership rate, and 1% of it is legal meaning 1/4 of the entire population of my fair city, or nearly half the males here are already gun criminals. While I know the vast majority of Us shootings are criminal on criminal, I also know that the risk of me being faced with one or two armed attackers is much higher relative to other places because of the huge proportion of criminals with guns here.

If you ask why not a p365, my answer would also reflect why some considerations are different depending on where you live, where you carry. for me it is because the 365 has no external manual safety. I never had a striker fired gun before. I've got granddad's revolver, and a couple of Sig SA/DA. That is +10lbs on first (long) pull. Now sure, we all know 99.999% of NDs are operator error. And I sure as heck support anyone who elects no safety. But in DC there are a few times a week where I must unchamber and fully unload the gun while sitting in my car. if I park on the street in front of my kid's school I am ok, I am still ok if I get out and stand on the sidewalk. But if I have to go in and sign him out my firearm has to be locked in my trunk with ammo separate. If I get on the DC metro (bus or subway) or even a cab, I also have to remove mag and unchamber the gun and put it and the mag in separate little locking pouches I keep in my backpack or briefcase. My guess is that a lot of you who (correctly) feel fine without no safety, might themselves prefer a safety in a place and set of habits where you have to unload, including unchambering, a striker, and reload it as well, outside the comfort of your home in a place where any ND is going to be noticed and bring down 50 cops, a lost carry gun licences and likely prosecution of public endangerment.

For sure there are lots of people with strikers and no external safety that are disciplined an profoundly safe. I consider myself very proficient and disciplined with finger indexing, care in re-holstering etc. But I have to manipulate the handgun a lot outside my home and an ND where I live will be noticed much more for example than my brother in southern Virginia. His might be as simple as being upset at himself for shooting a hole in the floorboard of his truck at his farm, mine might involve helicopters, federal agents and handcuffs, or due simply to density, someone hurt.

So I get the good faith advice people have given from their point of view concerning other alternatives (not extending, considering a different gun) but the interest in extensions is legit.

Thanks!
Wow, that's a messed up carry scenario you relayed above.

When your transferring you weapon from CCW to your trunk, if someone see's it. Will you then get a brandishing charge against you because someone saw you putting it in your trunk?
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Eject the mag before removing the weapon from the holster. Then rack the slide to unload. As soon as the slide moves back about 1mm, the striker block will prevent the gun from firing as it is out of battery.

So the thjmb safety only allows reduced chance of ND for the time period between removal from the holster and moving the slide 1mm!

My opinion is if you cannot focus on those couple of seconds to keep your finger out of the trigger guard, one probably not consider themself ready to conceal carry.

The potential to forget in the “heat of battle” to disengage the safety, could have fatal consequences.

I SD training class I have seen countless people forget, stumble, bumble or accidentally re-engage the safety during malfuntion and other drills. Pull trigger and get no bang, under stress because they forgot or did not realize the safety was still engaged. No way in hell I will EVER have a gun with a safety for a SD, life and death carry weapon. Just my choice. If I ever draw my weapon in SD situation, I want nothing but my trigger finger and brain in the way of the gun going bang! Any additional steps in those critical seconds is just lost time and increasing odds of failure. That could mean the loss of your life!

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This is the route I am going along with one more 8 round
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I use Strike Industries E.M.P. with wolf springs for a total of ten rounds. These have worked flawlessly but I don’t carry them. It might be me but I prefer to carry my gun stock with extra magazines.
I use the same Strike +2 on my Shield. I use the 7 round with the Strike for 9+1 in my EDC Shield. The magguts kit failed on me repeatedly.

If I really feel I need more than that, I carry my Glock 19 with a +2 for 18 rounds....

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Maguts +2, worked for almost 2 years, never an issue, works, not cheap but like I tell my wife I'm worth it, plus it does not add any length to the mag
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I have the 9mm Shield 1.0 with Crimson Trace Laser (green). I picked it for concealability. On the 7rd mag I added the Stryker Industries +2 (didn't like it on the 8rd mag).7+2+1 in pipe gives me 10. It is still quite concealable, extended the mag enough so my pinky isn't useless (and I don't have large hands) Added a Hogue grip. The gun feels GREAT in my hand. Now on my 8rd mags (I have 4) I added HYVE +2 extensions. (Yes they are too long for the concealability factor). I also added my own custom cut grip tape I didn't like what I was reading about the Magguts Z springs...and I didn't read anything positive about the Pro Mags. My Stryker Industries 7+2 and my HYVE 8+2 mags have all performed flawlessly so far. That's a total of 50 rds I carry...and you can't tell. The HYVE mags are in various pockets or on my belt as per the clothes I wear. What knuckle head do you know that carries a pocket size gun with 50 rounds of 9mm Critical Defense 147gr ammo...I'm ready for a whole flock of bears!
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I have heard of some installation issues with the older coil springs. But I have read NOTHING about problems with the Z springs. In fact I have read almost zero issues with magguts with the z springs and MANY glowing reports.
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I've had no issues with the Magguts +1 or +2 in my Shield. I read about the older +1 versions have had some problems with the springs collapsing, but seems to be the exception, not the rule. The newer +2 Magguts actually only adds about Ľ" to the length of the mag.
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I also have some new Magguts and have "Zero" issues so far! I had looked at getting some a few yrs. ago and I didn't like and had "No" confidence in the 1st gen. since their +1 & +2 were they same normal spring but on the +2 version u would get a adaptor and another piece of spring to made the spring longer and these had some issues!

Those springs were "Coil" springs I think and not the "Z" springs, but even with the "Z" flat springs there was 1 batch made which did have some probs but they recalled all in that batch in early 2016 and they issues were caused by a issue during manufacturing!

I did buy and install some last yr. in my Shield 8 rd. mags and they added barely 1/4" to the mag length and now I have a 10 rd. mag capacity and love it, but 1 thing I noticed when loading with a mag loader as soon as I pushed down on loader to insert 1st round the follower on the mag "Rose" and looked like it was ready to jump out of the mag.

So I loaded 1st rd manually and all is well, did contact Magguts and was told not to load 1st & 2nd rds using a loader.

I had also got the Stryker EMP + 1/2 extensions and they look very nice on the 7 rd. mags but look/feel bad on the 8 rd mags, but I noticed the spring in the 7 & 8 rd mag is the same length!

Some folks don't believe in any + 2 base pads since they say they compress mags springs to much, but at least 5 Gun comp. I know of do sell their own +2 base pads installed on their mags using the standard springs.

On my 2.0 it easily holds 18 rds instead if 17 and on my VP9 I can easily load 16 rds etc.. I never had any issues, but when I got a +1 for my PF9 it came with a longer spring besides the base pad!
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