|
|
09-24-2018, 09:27 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 240
Likes: 354
Liked 170 Times in 66 Posts
|
|
Sear disconnect lever
Is it absolutely necessary to push down the sear disconnected lever to field strip the weapon? The reason I'm asking is most of my semi autos are glocks. I guess old habits die hard. I forgot to push down the sear disconnect lever and pulled the trigger. The slide popped off the frame easy enough. I racked a couple of rounds by hand . Everything seems ok. Anyone got anty info on this?
|
09-24-2018, 09:35 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Davidson County, NC
Posts: 2,114
Likes: 7,780
Liked 4,123 Times in 1,411 Posts
|
|
I believe the lever is an alternative method to the trigger pull.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-24-2018, 09:41 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: central Pa
Posts: 477
Likes: 895
Liked 654 Times in 244 Posts
|
|
I always pull the trigger to release the slide. To state the obvious, make sure your weapon is cleared 1st.
Sent from my Moto G (5S) Plus using Tapatalk
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-24-2018, 09:56 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6,579
Likes: 1,787
Liked 5,342 Times in 2,685 Posts
|
|
There's plenty of threads on this subject. When S&W was getting ready to design the M&P series they did a bunch of focus groups with potential buyers of large numbers of handguns. Those potential buyers were extremely sure that the words "Pull the trigger" did not belong in field stripping instructions. The sear disconnect lever makes NDs while field stripping virtually impossible.
It's your gun, also your house, various body parts and other possessions. Should you teach anyone to handle any M&P DO NOT do the "pull the trigger" thing. There's this concept called vicarious liability that makes you responsible should that person(s) get sloppy. [You don't really think they're gonna own up to not checking the chamber do you? Whashisname taught me to do it that way!]
Last edited by WR Moore; 09-24-2018 at 09:59 AM.
|
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-24-2018, 10:01 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 19
Likes: 15
Liked 15 Times in 8 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mongo1958
Is it absolutely necessary to push down the sear disconnected lever to field strip the weapon?
|
It's not necessary, but it's also not hard to do. I just reach in with my pinky finger and flip it down with my fingernail.
|
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
|
|
09-24-2018, 01:38 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 240
Likes: 354
Liked 170 Times in 66 Posts
|
|
WR More, gotcha!
Rodspade. My Fred Flinstone fingers won't allow that plus I cut my nails short or chew them off. Edit: I'm getting the hang of it.
Last edited by Mongo1958; 09-30-2018 at 07:08 AM.
|
09-24-2018, 02:51 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: North Texas
Posts: 3,953
Likes: 8,110
Liked 10,478 Times in 2,966 Posts
|
|
I have three M&Ps with over 23,000 rounds between them. I've never used the trigger pull method. I stick the hollow end of a cleaning rod over the end of the sear disconnect lever to pull it down. A retractable ball-point pen will work as well. Takes all of two seconds. However, if you're willing to accept a possible negligent discharge in order to save two seconds, by all means pull away.
__________________
What, me worry?
|
09-24-2018, 06:49 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Davidson County, NC
Posts: 2,114
Likes: 7,780
Liked 4,123 Times in 1,411 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeppo
I believe the lever is an alternative method to the trigger pull.
|
I don't own a Glock.
|
09-25-2018, 10:23 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oro Valley, Arizona
Posts: 2,370
Likes: 497
Liked 943 Times in 518 Posts
|
|
If you have gotten to the point where you might be looking at the sear disconnect lever, it will not be possible for you to still have a round in the chamber anyhow.
My method is as follows: retract slide so it locks back, remove magazine, flip the slide retention lever to enable slide removal, release slide to its normal location, pull trigger, remove slide.
Notice that after the very first step, it will not be possible for there to still be a round in the chamber.
I just don't see a rational reason for people to fear pulling the trigger on a gun that is obviously empty. Why do we advocate dry fire practice? Isn't that just as dangerous?
Last edited by andyo5; 09-25-2018 at 10:24 PM.
|
09-26-2018, 12:21 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: So Cal (Near Edwards AFB)
Posts: 14,710
Likes: 2,926
Liked 17,102 Times in 6,271 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyo5
If you have gotten to the point where you might be looking at the sear disconnect lever, it will not be possible for you to still have a round in the chamber anyhow.
|
Almost correct, but not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyo5
...remove magazine,...
|
What happens when they miss this step? Yep, they load another round when the slide is let forward. Then, when they press the trigger, the gun fires.
Not only is it possible to have a round in the chamber when removing the slide, but it has happened at least a few times. I've seen it myself.
As someone has said, your house, your gun, your risk, do what you like. Using the sear disconnect makes it impossible to fire the gun because the striker will never be cocked. If you choose not to follow this step, just be ready to destroy whatever's in front of the muzzle.
__________________
Freedom isn't free.
|
09-26-2018, 12:32 AM
|
Banned
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: USA
Posts: 1,285
Likes: 1,112
Liked 1,609 Times in 660 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mongo1958
Is it absolutely necessary to push down the sear disconnected lever to field strip the weapon? The reason I'm asking is most of my semi autos are glocks. I guess old habits die hard. I forgot to push down the sear disconnect lever and pulled the trigger. The slide popped off the frame easy enough. I racked a couple of rounds by hand . Everything seems ok. Anyone got any info on this?
|
It won't hurt the gun at all. I think the reason why Smith added the disconnect was to prevent accidental discharges with pistos with their name on it. Using the sear disconnect lever forces the user to open/lock back the slide therefore ensuring that the chamber is cleared. Its no secret that many accidental discharges happen with Glocks.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-26-2018, 09:53 AM
|
|
US Veteran Absent Comrade
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 4,388
Likes: 9,733
Liked 7,187 Times in 2,603 Posts
|
|
Dropping the sear is for sure the safest way to disassemble, pulling the trigger will also release the slide. I drop the sear on the Smiths but I also own a few Sigs and Springfields and they require a trigger pull to drop the slide. If after dropping the slide, clearing the chamber and then checking for a round,there should not be a AD, however, I have no doubt it happens if a step is missed. Just picked up a Kahr cw9, it requires the trigger pull to release also.
Last edited by joeintexas; 09-28-2018 at 02:23 PM.
|
09-26-2018, 11:21 AM
|
|
US Veteran
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SoCal, CA
Posts: 2,233
Likes: 733
Liked 1,034 Times in 668 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeppo
I believe the lever is an alternative method to the trigger pull.
|
The lever is *not* an alternative. It *IS* the factory approved method of takedown. If you choose to "trigger pull", then that's your choice. If you observe all of the safety protocols, then I see no issue with it. Bear in mind that some of us are constrained to state compliance laws that dictate things such as magazine safeties. In those cases "trigger pull" is more complex. It's always an option but it not standard practice.
|
09-26-2018, 01:53 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 740
Likes: 209
Liked 318 Times in 184 Posts
|
|
Any one who can't safely disassemble a gun, that requires the trigger to be pulled to do so, should not be allowed to own a firearm in the first place.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-30-2018, 07:19 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 240
Likes: 354
Liked 170 Times in 66 Posts
|
|
Ok guys, let's dial it back a notch or two. My OP question was for information finding out if the gun is damaged by forgetting to lower the sear disconnect. I plan to go by SW directions as stated in the manual. Period! Please don't get in a heated argument over this.
Last edited by Mongo1958; 09-30-2018 at 08:43 AM.
|
09-30-2018, 07:24 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 240
Likes: 354
Liked 170 Times in 66 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by RGVshooter
It won't hurt the gun at all. I think the reason why Smith added the disconnect was to prevent accidental discharges with pistos with their name on it. Using the sear disconnect lever forces the user to open/lock back the slide therefore ensuring that the chamber is cleared. Its no secret that many accidental discharges happen with Glocks.
|
A logical evaluation that I concur with. I do plan to use the sear disconnect henceforth.
Thanks for you comment.
Last edited by Mongo1958; 09-30-2018 at 07:26 AM.
|
09-30-2018, 06:42 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 605
Likes: 105
Liked 399 Times in 248 Posts
|
|
Exercise good gun skills and make sure it's un-loaded. Pull the trigger. The sear disconnect was designed by lawyers. You don't need to use the Lawyer Lever just like you don't want a Hillary Hole.
|
10-02-2018, 03:54 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: central Pa
Posts: 477
Likes: 895
Liked 654 Times in 244 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaryWoody
Exercise good gun skills and make sure it's un-loaded. Pull the trigger. The sear disconnect was designed by lawyers. You don't need to use the Lawyer Lever just like you don't want a Hillary Hole.
|
I'm afraid to know what a Hillary Hole is
Sent from my Moto G (5S) Plus using Tapatalk
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|