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Old 09-26-2018, 05:01 PM
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I always use the "pull the trigger" method instead of the "sear disconnect" method. But I am open to reasons to change. Here's how I proceed.

When I first start the take down process, I lock the slide to the rear. This lets me lower the take down lever (on all me M&P autos). On my old M&P9 the take down lever would not stay down so slide lock became mandatory to be able to hold the lever down. Then I released the slide and pulled the trigger. By this method, that I had to open the gun and safety check was almost automatic. I had to open the slide everytime to move the slide lever down.

Using the sear release, same thing, I have to lock the slide back to push the sear lever down. So what is the difference how I do it if the slide is back, chamber checked and then removed? Anybody who pulls the trigger before checking, no matter what method need to check their procedures. Please let me know what I may be missing. Thanks all.
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What you are missing is that you should never clear a pistol by pulling the trigger indoors unless the pistol is pointed at a clearing barrel to stop the bullet if it fires.
If you do everything perfectly every time. all is fine.
As a former military safety officer, I know people make mistakes or do dangerous actions on average 300 times for each incident. And I have a 5 gal bucket of sand beside my cleaning bench.
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Just an added layer of safety, what can it hurt? Why not?
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Old 09-26-2018, 06:58 PM
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I never pull the trigger. When I start the process, I leave the mag in and rack the slide. With the mag in, the slide stays back on its own. From there I remove the mag, lower the sear lever, lower the takedown lever and remove the slide.

That’s if I know the gun is empty, like returning home from a range session. If it’s loaded (or I’m not sure) I first drop the mag and rack the slide. That gets rid of the round in the chamber if there is one. Then I put the empty mag back in the gun and proceed as above. I personally don’t use the slide lock if I don’t have to, but that’s just me...

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Thanks, I see your points. I was military police and remember the clearing barrel very well. I need to get one of some type, that was a good reminder. Yes, you can't do everything right every time, being human as we are. Like I said, I always lock back the slide before pulling the trigger. Always????
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I always use the sear disconnect. It's so easy, I see no reason not to do it. And, it's the only way to be 100% sure the gun won't fire.
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There's a mechanical reason to use the sear disconnector when reassembling the pistol. When you put the slide back on after cleaning and you go to lock the slide back to raise disassembly lever and if you miss the notch and accidentally let the slide slam forward the only thing that stops the slide from flying off into space is the striker and the tiny sear pin. That's got to be bad for the innards.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:41 AM
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I'll say it again. Anybody that can't safely disassemble (and reassemble) a pistol by pulling the trigger, should not be allowed to own a firearm in the first place. It's not that hard to figure out.
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I always use the sear disconnect and see no reason not too.
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If we all practice the 1st rule of making sure the weapon is cleared, this becomes a non issue. I follow this rule and pull the trigger, just like I do on my SD9’s.
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I dont use the trigger; it only takes a second to use the lever and frankly if my time is so tight that affects it then i have bigger concerns. And if i go to show someone (who has no experience) how to take one apart why would i not show them what is considered the correct way if they were to buy an MP.

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Yet another thread on The Topic That Refuses To Die. Here is a nearly identical thread started two days earlier: Sear disconnect lever

I don't think that the Lever Pushers vs. the Trigger Pullers debate will ever be resolved. All I can say to M&P newbies looking for advice is, "When in doubt, follow the Manual."
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:57 PM
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I use the unauthorized method. Always.
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I'll say it again. Anybody that can't safely disassemble (and reassemble) a pistol by pulling the trigger, should not be allowed to own a firearm in the first place. It's not that hard to figure out.
I'm sure you've never made a mistake, but it does happen to other people. Using the sear disconnect reduces the chance of an ND to as close to zero as possible.

This isn't about a person's ability either. It's just another check to ensure things are as safe as possible. Isn't that a good thing?
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Nor having my hand anywhere near the muzzle. Different models say in the owners manual to pull the trigger. If only they could all be as fast/simple as the Sig P series.
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I'll say it again. Anybody that can't safely disassemble (and reassemble) a pistol by pulling the trigger, should not be allowed to own a firearm in the first place. It's not that hard to figure out.
I have to disagree. Its very easy to get distracted by some small event and forget one critical step. That's all it takes to have an AD with tragic results. If you have two options, take the safer one.
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Sheese, I had to go look at my shield. It does have that little lever in there and it does negate the trigger pull. I guess I never read the instructions. I also never used the M&Ps during the short time they were handing them out for duty guns, before they went back to Glocks. I didn't take one of the Glocks either but I do have several. I do vaguely recall hearing something about that lever back then. I don't believe it was well thought of at the time.

Well anyhow, I'm glockafied enough that I'll just keep doing the trigger method. I haven't an AD with a Glock yet (knock, knock, knock).
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Well, let’s see. The mag is out, the slide is locked back, you should know by now it’s empty, right? I see nothing wrong with pulling the trigger to disassemble the piece.
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What you are missing is that you should never clear a pistol by pulling the trigger indoors unless the pistol is pointed at a clearing barrel to stop the bullet if it fires.
If you do everything perfectly every time. all is fine.
As a former military safety officer, I know people make mistakes or do dangerous actions on average 300 times for each incident. And I have a 5 gal bucket of sand beside my cleaning bench.
I have a 20 gallon poly can with a 1/2" steel plate in the bottom, and filled with "rubber tire" mulch. It has stopped 40 cal, 6.5, 44 mag, etc etc......
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I've owned Glocks for decades, pull the trigger.
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I have to disagree. Its very easy to get distracted by some small event and forget one critical step. That's all it takes to have an AD with tragic results. If you have two options, take the safer one.
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I have had a accidental discharge, although not when taking down the pistol. EVERYBODY is subject to making a mistake, especially when we think we are above that. Let's be kind to each other here. I started this thread to check my own methods, not start a subject of contention among members. Were are friend here who respect each other, right? And about knowledge, Will Rodgers once said, "Everybody is ignorant, just on different subjects." I more than most. Have a great day folks.
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Glocks aren't the only guns you have to pull the trigger on. Kahr and Sig Sauer both require you pull the trigger to release the slide. I believe if memory serves Ruger does too. If the mag is out and the slide is open and you can see there is no ammo in the gun you really should be safe. Other manufacturers seem to think so. If anyone feels safer using the sear disconnect that is what they should do by all means.
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Glocks aren't the only guns you have to pull the trigger on. Kahr and Sig Sauer both require you pull the trigger to release the slide...
I can't speak about Kahrs or other SIG models, but I own a SIG P250 and two SIG P320s, and I can unequivocally state that you do not have to pull the trigger to release their slides. Lock back the slide, rotate the take down lever, and the slide comes right off. SIG even advertised that feature as a safety advantage: "No trigger pull is necessary!"
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I'm sure you've never made a mistake, but it does happen to other people. Using the sear disconnect reduces the chance of an ND to as close to zero as possible.

This isn't about a person's ability either. It's just another check to ensure things are as safe as possible. Isn't that a good thing?
Oh I make plenty of mistakes. But I also follow very basic firearms safety rules. If my head is someday so far up my *** that I fire on off while taking it down, it will be into my basement wall. I'm not going to point it at my kid, myself, a wall that I don't know what's on the other side of, my dog or my neighbor's house and pull the trigger (loaded or not). Again, very basic rules.
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Just got done cleaning one of my M&P Shields, from shooting it Friday, and I always do as the manual says, and push the lever down to disconnect the striker. I mean, why not?
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Pull the trigger, you don't need to use the Lawyer Lever.
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