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Old 01-05-2020, 12:52 AM
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I have been hunting everywhere for a set of plugs for a 2.0 45.
Finally located some at Numerich Arms. They have both black and FDE.
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Old 01-05-2020, 11:05 AM
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I've said it before and will repeat myself, don't understand the distaste so many have for safeties. Find it hard to believe that someone can realistically say there's no scenario where a safety wouldn't be desirable.

Don't like it don't use it. Don
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Old 01-05-2020, 11:20 AM
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I've said it before and will repeat myself, don't understand the distaste so many have for safeties. Find it hard to believe that someone can realistically say there's no scenario where a safety wouldn't be desirable.

Don't like it don't use it. Don
...and yet, I've seen my Wife forget to thumb the safety off of my M&P 9c while shooting at the range. As much as I've emphasized it to her, there are times where she simply forgets. As such, I now have my Glock 19 set up for her to use as a home defense pistol downstairs - and my Glock 17 upstairs. I had removed the thumb safety on the M&P 9c and added the plugs previously. Since she likes shooting the G19 better, the -9c sits in my safe (waiting to be sold).

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Old 01-05-2020, 02:49 PM
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...and yet, I've seen my Wife forget to thumb the safety off of my M&P 9c while shooting at the range. As much as I've emphasized it to her, there are times where she simply forgets.
So, she forgets, that's what training should deal with. Don
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Old 01-05-2020, 02:57 PM
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So, she forgets, that's what training should deal with. Don
And if she’s not as dedicated as you feel she should be she should have a tool that has an identified disadvantage for her that could result in her being unable to defend herself against assault, rape, or murder?

Training only goes so far and much of that depends on the individual.

Maybe we should put a minimum training standard on being able to own a gun in the US?
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Old 01-05-2020, 09:46 PM
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And if she’s not as dedicated as you feel she should be she should have a tool that has an identified disadvantage for her that could result in her being unable to defend herself against assault, rape, or murder?

Training only goes so far and much of that depends on the individual.

Maybe we should put a minimum training standard on being able to own a gun in the US?
So, just leave the safety off all the time, problem solved, no need to plug the safety hole rendering it always hot whenever ammo is chambered.

And no I don't want any govt involvement. When in Hades did I suggest that? Answer, never. Don

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I've said it before and will repeat myself, don't understand the distaste so many have for safeties. Find it hard to believe that someone can realistically say there's no scenario where a safety wouldn't be desirable.

Don't like it don't use it. Don
Yep, my new M&P .40 has a safety, I worked hard to find one at a decent price.... this is a no brainer, flicks on or off with positive click... I like it, feels a lot like my 1911's...

In fact the Winchester White box 165's are grouping nicely, unlike the Federal 165 range ammo.....
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Old 01-06-2020, 12:14 AM
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So, just leave the safety off all the time, problem solved, no need to plug the safety hole rendering it always hot whenever ammo is chambered.

And no I don't want any govt involvement. When in Hades did I suggest that? Answer, never. Don
Why would one have a safety that is never used? In that situation the only purpose for the safety is to get activated unintentionally and become a disabler rather than an enabler (if you know you know). It is truly stupid to have a safety that isn’t used when you can have a version without a safety.

I like safeties as well, but would never recommend choosing a safety-equipped version to someone who wouldn’t use it. You suggest there is no reason not to have a safety... I’ve seen too many LE shootings where the safety was activated when it should not have been and multiple live rounds were tapped and racked onto the ground to think it’s right for everyone.

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WOW, I didn't start this post to start a FIGHT. Some like the extra safety, some don't. Your choice!!! Just wanted to let those who wish to remove theirs, where to find the frame plugs.
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WOW, I didn't start this post to start a FIGHT. Some like the extra safety, some don't. Your choice!!! Just wanted to let those who wish to remove theirs, where to find the frame plugs.
You didn't start a fight. The fight is already in the minds of some forum members who won't rest until their opinion becomes the opinion of everyone else, which we (or most of us) know will never happen. Some suffer from mental illness, while others seem to enjoy it
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Old 01-06-2020, 01:01 PM
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So, she forgets, that's what training should deal with. Don
Easier said than done. Some people are naturals at certain things, some aren't...
It comes down to what's the simplest solution for her in what would likely be the absolute most stressful time in her life - the quick use of a firearm for self defense. Since there are plenty of built in safeties on modern pistols, the need for an external thumb safety is simply not there any more. As such, if it's not needed, why have it?
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Old 01-06-2020, 01:12 PM
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And if she’s not as dedicated as you feel she should be she should have a tool that has an identified disadvantage for her that could result in her being unable to defend herself against assault, rape, or murder?

Training only goes so far and much of that depends on the individual.

Maybe we should put a minimum training standard on being able to own a gun in the US?

Umm, first off, who's going to implement that standard and who's going to enforce it? Dangerous road there my friend...

She has more than demonstrated the ability to use a firearm for self defense if needed. However, at times and under stress, she forgets to thumb off the safety. As such, and considering that if she was ever faced with the extremely high stress need to use a firearm for self defense, an engaged thumb safety could mean the difference between life and death (or rape, or whatever). Since modern pistols have redundant safeties built in, the need for a thumb safety simply isn't there any more. I removed the thumb safety on the -9c and installed the plugs when she was still using that for self defense. Since she now uses my G19 for home defense, a thumb safety is a non issue.

BTW, how many keyboard warriors have actually faced an extreme stress situation similar to the need to use a firearm for self defense? My guess is a minuscule percentage. Are you so certain in your abilities that you'd be 100% sure to thumb off a safety when necessary...
Not necessarily directed at anyone specifically - just something for everyone to muse over.

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I agree re: govt regulation of training... I was speaking about it as a sarcastic reference to the danger of being absolute in opinions - ie: everyone should have a safety. Probably should have been more clear.
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Old 01-06-2020, 05:22 PM
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Since there are plenty of built in safeties on modern pistols, the need for an external thumb safety is simply not there any more. As such, if it's not needed, why have it?
I hope you don't think things like the so called trigger safety on Glocks constitutes a real mechanical safety, I sure don't. Drop a loaded Glock and if it caught something just right it could go off. Won't happen with a hand operated mechanical safety.

I repeat, don't like it don't use it. Don
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Don't like it don't use it. Don


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Contact S&W themselves, they used to give you the plugs for free!
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To answer your question, Galloway precision has plugs for some S&W’s.
I got a M&P Bodyguard 380 with safety because it was $80 less than one without. A M&P 9mm EZ for $35 less. That’s $115 plus Tax less with a safety. Just saying!
Don’t use em either.

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Contact S&W themselves, they used to give you the plugs for free!
Not anymore, but they're pretty inexpensive.
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