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Old 02-12-2020, 09:46 PM
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Guys my standard MP 2.0 Compact in 4" barrel has a stock trigger pull weight of 5lbs. My MP 2.0 Performance Pro 5" barrel has a stock pull weight of 5.5lbs.

It was my understanding the Performance has a tuned trigger where the standard MP 2.0 does not yet how do you explain the standard 2.0 has a lighter trigger pull than the performance?

I called Smith and wesson tech support and they told me they had no notes that both guns used different triggers and they are the same.
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Old 02-12-2020, 10:33 PM
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It's called production tolerances.
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Old 02-12-2020, 10:43 PM
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I would think that trigger weight along does not define a custom trigger. You can have a trigger that has a higher weight but is smoother and crisper which makes it better. At least in my way of thinking. YMMV.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:32 PM
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The staging of the trigger, the feel of its staging, how it breaks.

Agreed that pull weight in itself does not define a trigger, how many rounds through each?

Shoot them side by side, which feels better?
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:33 AM
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The staging of the trigger, the feel of its staging, how it breaks.

Agreed that pull weight in itself does not define a trigger, how many rounds through each?

Shoot them side by side, which feels better?
I have about 400 rounds through it and as of last night it went from 5.5lbs to 5lbs so it is exactly the same as my standard 2.0

as far as crisp it feels exactly the same both pistols. The new MP coming out that is same version but is ported and has an adjustable overtravel as well as a stainless steel barrel is supposed to be 4.5lbs out of the box
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They'll smooth out, dry-fire will have a similar effect.

I had the understanding PC models were tuned as well, do you recall where that was stated? Wonder if trigger components look the same? Never owned a PC model.
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They'll smooth out, dry-fire will have a similar effect.

I had the understanding PC models were tuned as well, do you recall where that was stated? Wonder if trigger components look the same? Never owned a PC model.
It was my understanding as MP website says so but evidently not
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What is the model number? Looks like "tuned action" but not "tuned trigger" on the one I am looking over (11824) - Performance Center(R) M&P(R)9 M2.0™ 5" Ported Barrel and Slide | Smith & Wesson
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Trigger weight has very little to do with it.
It is how smooth trigger action is, take up, creep and over travel with a good break point.
So a heavier trigger may have a better feel than a lighter trigger.
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100% DW, seems there was a misconception relating to the trigger being tuned when the action is "tuned".
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What is the model number? Looks like "tuned action" but not "tuned trigger" on the one I am looking over (11824) - Performance Center(R) M&P(R)9 M2.0™ 5" Ported Barrel and Slide | Smith & Wesson
It is SKU 11820

Performance Center(R) M&P(R)9 M2.0™ 5" Barrel Pro Series(R) | Smith & Wesson
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Features
• PC Tuned Action with Audible Trigger Reset
• Fiber Optic Sights
• Front Cocking Serrations
• Extended Rigid Embedded Stainless Steel Chassis System to Reduce Flex and Torque While Firing
• Aggressive Grip Texture for Enhanced Control
• Low Barrel Bore Axis Makes the M&P Pistol More Comfortable to Shoot Reducing Muzzle Rise and Allowing for Faster Aim Recovery
• Armornite® Durable Corrosion Resistant Finish
• Two Magazines Included
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Old 02-14-2020, 10:52 AM
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tuned trigger
OK it says "tuned action" but what is action mean?
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I am definitely with you on that question, mrunner..

Action should be referring to the elements involved in the firing process, particularly a reciprocating slide like an M&P: lift round from mag into chamber, fire, extract/eject, repeat..

Assuming they are referring to the action as a whole, sure does leaves room for some ambiguity as to what it means.

I too long held the belief all PC models had tuned triggers, so happy you posed the question.

Wonder what S&W would have to say?
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I have the #11820 Pro model as well, along with a full size 4.25 and a compact 3.6. I also assumed the “tuned action” to mean it would have a decent trigger.

The 5” Pro had by far the worst trigger of the three out of the box. It was very gritty and a touch “mushier” than the others. I would have been severely disappointed, but my plan from the beginning was to replace it with an Apex.
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The Performance Center is not what it was once reputed to be. Go with the Apex.
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