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Old 02-20-2020, 06:44 PM
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I know the sights on the shields are supposed to be tight but common. Local gun shop sells the sights at msrp and will mount them for free BUT does not have the correct sight pusher for a shield .45 okay So I picked up a TFX sight on optic planet for about 25 less with free shipping then they wanted. I called their suggested gunsmith with reasonable rates and he is asking 75 bucks! I don't want to buy a 100 pusher for one gun. Okay will ask around the area to see who does not want to charge that much.

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Old 02-20-2020, 06:49 PM
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How about asking around at your range or posting a note if they have a bulletin board? Maybe someone local to you will lend you a pusher.
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Old 02-20-2020, 06:53 PM
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not a bad thought although my local range is shut down for a few weeks ( long story
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I have sight pushers that will work on Shields for $75 in the classifieds.
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:17 PM
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I had excellent luck installing a set of TFO sights on my old (it's my son's now) Shield45 with this style pusher. Hard to beat the price.
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i wrapped my Shield slide in a glove. Put it in a vice and tapped the front sight out with a brass punch and hammer. Cost? $0.00.
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Old 02-20-2020, 10:06 PM
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thanks I put that on the watch list. as far as putting it a vice I do not have a vice I used to and the it got "lost" in a prior move and never bought another. I am going to call 4 or 5 gunsmiths in my area and ask. The guy I messaged on face book was the one the gunstore recommended as reasonable. They were going to do it for free while I waited ( I don't quite understand they were having M&P day sale with crappy prices had a rep there and did not have the correct tool to put in the sight. ) any way free to 75 was not a reasonable price. This was the same gunsmith who quoted me 80 to install a trigger on the gun not the whole kit I did that myself. I will not call him again. my understanding is that with the proper pusher and some experience it is a 15-20 job. I can read 15 to 40 dollars around the net to do it.

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i wrapped my Shield slide in a glove. Put it in a vice and tapped the front sight out with a brass punch and hammer. Cost? $0.00.
How much did the vise and workbench cost? The punch and hammer werenít free either. Many folks tell me they have beat the hell out of sights and failed to move them. Not saying it canít be done, just saying it doesnít work for a lot of people.
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If you plan on changing sights >2 x, buy the pusher
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If you plan on changing sights >2 x, buy the pusher
Thatís pretty good advice. The only thing I would add is that in order to use the punch and hammer method, you do need a pretty good vise, and it must be mounted to a sturdy bench. For example, my bench is solid steel and weighs probably 250-300 lb. It didnít cost a fortune to build 40 years ago, but Iíd hate to have to duplicate it now.
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Old 02-21-2020, 12:28 AM
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How much did the vise and workbench cost? The punch and hammer werenít free either. Many folks tell me they have beat the hell out of sights and failed to move them. Not saying it canít be done, just saying it doesnít work for a lot of people.
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surely you know someone with a pusher who would lend. i would rather do the job myself than take a chance on the cheapest gunsmith around. you might get a good job, but a poor job will be very expensive. experience speaking.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:29 AM
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All 3 sets of my Tru-Glo TFO's were $76 each on Amazon, I can't imagine having to pay another $75 each to have them installed.
I had a $130 sight pusher, but it wouldn't budge any of the front sights they were on so tight, so I sold it and ended up using a brass punch and hammer.
I took my round brass drift punches to my grinder so they now have a square tip, and made one of them smaller to fit the front sight.
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Look at the NC Star. $50 for a rear sight pusher, $75 if you want the one with Front sight too (which I have).
I got mine via optics planet but they are on eBay, Amazon, etc. They work well, like anything else, don't rush.

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Old 02-21-2020, 11:58 AM
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for right now it is my only gun I need sights for. I got the TFX so tritium and fiberoptics optic planet had them for 119.00. I am handy have really done most of my own easy gunsmithing install triggers in ar and my tavor. etc. I have a work bench but as said the vice got appropriated in a move funny how some things disappear by the moving company. I never replaced it. Do not want to spend the money on a good vice. anyway I found a smith about 25 mintues away who has a good reputation and he will do it for $40 while I wait. That is a bit more reasonable. The same guy who wanted 75 to install the sights also wanted 80 to install the trigger only He is a former marine armour and I am sure he is good and has more business then he wants but I think that is a bit to expensive for an easy job. As an aside since I was fooling around with sights I realized my XS big dots on my y XD were 12 years old and a bit dim I inquired and they said send the slide in we will replace them for free. i love it when a company goes the extra mile for customer service. the big dots are a good combat sight essentially you do not need to really align them with the rear sight just put the front dot on and pull the trigger.

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I took my round brass drift punches to my grinder so they now have a square tip, and made one of them smaller to fit the front sight.

Nice looking setup there, what did you use to clamp 'er in your vice?
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Old 02-21-2020, 03:17 PM
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Glad you found a place with a price quote that was satisfactory.

I had a HiViz Litewave front sight put on my Shield .45. I bought the sight at a shooting range, because their price included free installation. If I recall, their price was only about $10 higher than I could have bought it on line. The gunsmith at the range took it into a back room to install. I asked him what kind of sight pusher he had, and was surprised when he said he uses a hammer and punch. At any rate, having it done at the range meant I could test it immediately, and he "fine tuned" it twice at my request until the point of impact was exactly to the point of aim.
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If you're using the punch and hammer method on FO or tritium sights be careful. I'm not saying don't do it, just use caution.
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Nice looking setup there, what did you use to clamp 'er in your vice?
I have a big vise in the shop that I would have used if it came down to that, but had no problem just holding the slide against a poly bench block on the tabletop.

I've done enough of these that I'm confident.
As 1 sailor said, use caution. One slip and your front (or rear) sight is toast.
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Old 02-28-2020, 04:34 PM
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after action report went to guy about 20 minutes away. He had this monster custom built sight remover, man those sights were on tight. he did a first class job, I am glad I didn't do it by banging the heck out of it. Also would have need the sight pusher or a vise plus a micrometer.
It was worth the money. He had a nice shop it is in Lillington NC and called MAD custom guns I ended up putting inf TFX sights.

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My LGS installs sights for free if I buy from them. Their prices for sights are lower than most retail vendors.
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my lgs was about 25 dollars higher then I got it for which was no big deal as long as they installed it. They were in fact running an M&P promotion with typical crappy prices and the rep from S&W there. Okay fine I picked out a sight and told them it was for a Shield forty fi. They told me we have the slide installer for a 9 but not he 45.( ie not a universal sight tool or they did not know what they were doing) They told me they have this great armor they use who is very reasonable it turned out he wanted 80 to install the sights. I personally do not find that reasonable. The minimum charge for the guy I went to was 40 but he took approximately a half hour to do it while I watched. I think it was worth the 40 the sights have tritium capsules and banging them in was not a particularly good idea. They were really in very tight and again I think it was a smart decision not to diy. YMMV but for me I did'nt want to spend 75 -80 bucks to buy a sight installer for a one off job. I suppose I could have sold it here or on another board for probably half but the hassle factor was high and i had sold some older hobby stuff for a bunch of cash anyway.
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I suspect that the OP has experienced a "minimum shop charge". Gunsmiths, like other small business owners, have a considerable investment (tools, equipment, inventory) and fixed operating expenses (licensing, taxes, utilities, rent, insurance, etc) necessary to keep the doors open.

A good smith I have used for several years charges a base labor rate of $50 per hour, and one hour is his minimum shop charge.

Our HVAC contractor charges a minimum $65 for a service call, which may include minor servicing such as adjustments, etc.

A plumber we have used several times bills his time at $90 per hour, and he gets a lot of work done in an hour or less.

I recently needed some auto body and paint work done. Big sign in the shop advised customers that the base labor rate was $75 per hour. I received a very good result that was within the insurance adjustment amount.

Before I retired I lived in a 2400 sq. ft. home with forced air gas furnace and central air conditioning, and my business was run in a 500 sq. ft. shop building with gas furnace and AC. Utility bills for the shop were always more than my house because commercial accounts are billed at much higher rates than residential accounts.

Not a cheap world to live in these days.
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yes exactly and I had no problem with the minimum charge as I could not do this particular job without incurring tool expenses which were not justified plus I found a good local smith I will use again as needed. It is funny though I was watching him try to put the rear sight from lef to right and he was having trouble with the action pin on the right sideof the gun. I hesitantly told him that I did not want to tell him how to do it but the rear sight dove tail was not unidirectional and the youtube videos said it was easier to go right to left. He did not get bent and it was easier the other way. I am a retired MD and you sometimes blanch a the Dr.s bill you paid me for knowing how to do it quickly and correctly not for the time I am quite okay with the minimum charge for anyone, still think minimum charge of 80 was a bit much though, as long as you are not limited to one person its okay to ask around politely

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Have to ask...why in the heck are these S&W sights so HARD to move? No reason IMHO. Why can't we "adjust" parts to make the sights easier to adjust when/if we install new sights?
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Can't answer WHY they are so tight from the factory, however replacement sights, to be installed properly, need to be carefully fitted to the individual dovetail. The male dovetail on most replacement sights are slightly over sized to allow them to be fitted to each individual sight dovetail cut. Dovetail cuts will vary, even with CNC machines, due to tool wear and even slide variances cause tolerance stacking. Yes most sights can be forced into the dovetail, but it's just not the proper way to do the job.
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Can't answer WHY they are so tight from the factory, however replacement sights, to be installed properly, need to be carefully fitted to the individual dovetail. The male dovetail on most replacement sights are slightly over sized to allow them to be fitted to each individual sight dovetail cut. Dovetail cuts will vary, even with CNC machines, due to tool wear and even slide variances cause tolerance stacking. Yes most sights can be forced into the dovetail, but it's just not the proper way to do the job.
I don't know of any mass market guns that have hand fitted sights. Identical sights are grabbed out of a bin, and driven into identical slides.
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I don't know of any mass market guns that have hand fitted sights. Identical sights are grabbed out of a bin, and driven into identical slides.
That is correct. Utilizing something on the order of a 25-30 ton press. And folks wonder why they are sometimes so difficult to remove. There is no excuse for sights to be that tight. A light interference fit, yes. 30 tons worth, not so much.
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And make sure the pusher works/fits each gun.

Not all pushers "fit" all guns. The vise/punch/
hammer method, on the other hand, does.
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After I started using fixed sight pistols more and more, I found that a sight pusher helped me replace sights, i.e. suppressor height sights. I actually use it much more to make windage adjustments to the front sight when sighting in the pistols. For me, the sight pusher turned out to be a good investment.
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