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Old 09-29-2020, 09:01 PM
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At what point will S&W create a Shield with higher capacity such as the P365/Hellcat options. Or, is it even on the horizon with the myriad of different sizes of M&Pís and Shields out there currently?
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:25 PM
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I highly doubt they're even looking at the Shield in that aspect. If they do come out with something in the micro-compact size with a higher capacity like the Hellcat and P365 I would think they'd sell it as an all new model and separate it from everything else.

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I would think if they were even considering raising the capacity, they would have tried it with the EZ.
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I have a Gen 1 9mm Compact (12 round), I carry a Gen 1 9mm Shield every day, for past several years. If I feel I need more than what the Shield offers, I'll carry my 9c.
I also have a new 2.0 Compact 4" (15 round) and a FS Gen 1- 4 1/4"/17 round.
So far, I've never felt "under-gunned" with my Shield; 7 + 1 in the gun with an 8 round reload. I don't personally see a need for a higher capacity Shield model, with so many other options already available in the M&P line/series. Just my opinion :-)
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A doublestack Shield would no longer be a Shield, but a wider pistol.
So as scott said above, if S&W were to come out with a higher capacity pistol it would be an entirely new model and they'd call it something else.
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A doublestack Shield would no longer be a Shield, but a wider pistol.
Indeed. A lot of people who buy a Shield do so because they want a slim easily concealable pistol. Making it a double stack would defeat that purpose just as adding capacity by making the single stack magazine longer does.

Any major changes to platform that still sells well would simply be rolled out as a new model since that would generate more buzz than an upgrade to an existing model.
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With the very reliable MagGuts +2 extension adding about 1/4Ē to the overall height of the gun compared to the factory 8-round mag, I get 10+1 capacity on the Shield. With a 10-round backup mag, my confidence is boosted (21 rounds vs. 17).

No need for a S&W redesign. As the responses to this thread do and will show, most people feel adequately armed with the 8ís and even the 7ís. If there were to be such a redesign, it would simply be to have an option for a longer grip and a factory 10-round mag. S&W could easily accomplish this at not very much expense. They donít believe the demand is there.

Iím just not most people.
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I don’t see M&P Shield high-cap mags in the future because the standard mags are already manufactured with thin-wall metal construction. If S&W wants to compete in micro segment with P365 and Hellcat, I agree a new design is necessary beginning with a new magazine, like Sig did. Same is true for Glock although, Glock used polymer-wrapped metal so there was an aftermarket opportunity to increase magazine capacity with a thin-wall metal design. Aftermarket S15 mags and metal mag release for G43X transform that pistol into an impossibly-small, 15-round wonder with no noticeable loss of reliability. Shield & G43 are both larger pistols than P365. IMO, they handle better and both are easier to shoot accurately. Hats off to Sig for creating the first truly high-cap micro pistol — S&W and the rest of the market are sure to follow...
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I donít see M&P Shield high-cap mags in the future because the standard mags are already manufactured with thin-wall metal construction.
Iím not sure why a single stack mag, with almost no lateral pressure (unlike a double stack) needs to have thicker walls than the OEM Shield mag. Mine have worked fine and show no signs of stress after thousands of rounds.
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They have already sold over a million Shields and apparently feel the platform is sufficient as offered and no need for any additional engineering. I agree.
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3 million, probably closer to 3.5 now.
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That should solve anybody's thirst for more rounds. I bit harder to conceal but what the heck it sure has more rounds.
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Old 09-30-2020, 05:18 PM
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Guys ....... different guns for different purposes......................... get one (or two) of each as your needs dictate........................ why not a hi-cap 3913..... oh wait.......................

Think.......James Bond; AKA "spy" licenced to Kill.................. .32 Walther PPK.... back up "car" gun a Browning HP a Smith 29 or a H&K 45..... pick your movie..........

2nd Gen Smiths................ 39xx for IWB concealed carry 7 or 8+ 1......... want hi-cap ..... get yourself a 6906/04 at 12 +1

or go all "movie" and get yourself a 6915 with 15rd/+two spare mag.

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Hellcat and P365 are impressive and slim but too tiny for me. You think Smith could pull it off.
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My 6906 with 12's and my 15 with an adapter plate are plenty of capacity. The grip is still fat, hard to conceal on my skinny frame even with an IWB holster. My smallest 9 is my SCCY CPX-2 with 10 round mags, a bit slimmer, easier to carry concealed. I've tried the micros - grips are too small to hold well.
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I doubt Smith will ever make a Shield with higher capacity, first off the Shield is already very popular as it is, second lots of states have magazine/gun restrictions where SIG, Springfield cant go...yet.

Lastly.....Smith has the M&Pc if you want a high capacity "compact" gun......SIGs only compact gun (worth mentioning) was a P224 and that was discontinued a while ago....as for Springfield...they dont have any "high capacity" compact guns beyond the Hellcat. The XD line are either similar to the shield capacity wise or larger.
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I own all a 365XL, PC Shields, and a Hellcat. The 365 hasn't been carried in a long time, actually it didn't get carried much after the purchase, I don't shoot it as accurately as I would like. I carried the Shield 45 and enjoyed it. The Hellcat did replace my Shield but I still carry the Shield 45 in certain circumstances. I would hate to see the Shield platform changed.
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I thought the hicap Shield was called the M&P 9C ?
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For the record, I wasn’t advocating that S&W simply make the Shield a double stack. I was wondering when will they do whatever magic or voodoo that Sig and Springfield did to get that many rounds in such a small mag.

I previously owned a M&P 9C M2.0 3.6” and that pistol is much bigger and thicker than a Shield in both grip and slide. Really not comparable. The same would apply to the newer 3.6 SC due to the thickness.

To equal Sig and Springfield, S&W would have to make the Shield smaller than it currently is with more capacity. That is what I’m wondering... Whether they will go that route anytime soon?
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I thought the hicap Shield was called the M&P 9C ?

That's what I thought
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I’m not saying that capacity isn’t important but the average number of shots fired in a gunfight is about 3.59 (2.6-4.6 depending on which study you read). I will always choose to carry a gun that can be adequately concealed, has an effective caliber for self defense, and with which I maintain the highest level of proficiency. There’s a reason why J-frames are still carried on a regular basis.
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I thought the hicap Shield was called the M&P 9C ?
I have an M&P 2.0 compact, a Glock 43 and a Sig P365. The M&P compact is much larger and heavier than the G43 and P365. Its not in the same class as the Shield and similar sized guns. The size and weight difference might not seem like much on paper but makes a big difference when being carried.

My 2.0 Compact is larger than the 2.0 Subcompact or original compact but doesn't weigh much more. And it is the extra weight that makes a difference to me. The 2.0 Compact needs a stiff gun belt but the lighter guns can be carried with more comfortable flexible belt and a good holster.

With an empty 10 round magazine my Sig P365 weighs 18.5 ounces, my 2.0 Compact (4 inch) weighs 26.8 with an empty 15 round magazine. That's 45% heavier. Loaded with 11 and 16 rounds of ammo the P365 is 23.6 ounces vs 34.1 for the M&P with 16 rounds, once again 45% heavier. I think the sub compact is only a couple of ounce lighter but do not have one to weigh.

Please don't suggest getting a "good stiff gun belt" and carrying the heavier gun. When it comes to comfortably carrying a gun those are part of the problem, not the solution as far as I am concerned. I know most people don't seem to mind the stiff belts but they literally rub me the wrong way.
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It's been my experience that if you ever have to use your gun in self defense, even if no shots are fired, you find a way to make a larger gun work.

Having said that it's also been my experience that Glocks tend to be more compact and lighter than their S&W counterparts.

I don't see a noticable difference in weight and size between my Glock 26 and a M&P Shield. I also find the Glock to be more versatile (as is the 9C) because I can use any 9 mm double stack Glock magazine in it.

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3 million, probably closer to 3.5 now.
This, Sig & Springfield even with their higher mag capacity can't catch up with the Shield higher market share.
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Carried a Shield with 8 round magazine for six years. Went to a 43x and love it. Same size as a Shield with 8 rounder, but you get 10. Now there is a flush-fit 15 rounder for the 43x. It's amazing having 16 rounds in that size gun. Fits my hand perfect like my Shield did.
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This, Sig & Springfield even with their higher mag capacity can't catch up with the Shield higher market share.
A lot may have to do with the mag 10 round restrictions many states already have and others to follow. I know I'd love to get the new Springfield XD-M Elite 3.8" Compact, but it has 14 rd mags which are illegal in Connecticut. In my case 10 round mags are the best I can hope for and am limited to the SW shields the way they are. Like someone alluded to if Springfield (and possibly Sig) came out with more 10 rd options I believe SW would have some competition in this area.

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I recently got the Magguts kit to make my 8 round into a 10 round +1.
Seems to cycle well by hand and I'll get a chance to check it out this week on the range. All reviews I read are for flawless operation but I'll see for myself soon.
10 +1 seems the be a good option for a gun this size. A few years ago a 5 or 6 round magazine was standard in a gun this size.

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Just shot 200 rounds through it and it was flawless with a variety of ammo brands and types.

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S & W really should be looking into this segment. I get that most people are satisfied with their shield’s, but if no one ever pushed the envelope, then we’d all still be carrying SAO revolvers. Not only that, but if Sig and Springfield already have these platforms, imagine what they’re working on now. If S & W doesn’t start thinking about it, they’ll be so far behind the competition, and it’ll take years to catch back up.

BTW, my carry rotation includes a M&P340, a bodyguard 380, and a P365. I carry the largest that makes sense for what I’m wearing and doing.
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If you just gotta have a little more Shield capacity (~2 rounds or +25%) for slightly marginal larger print, the XTech Tactical mag extension ~$20 is the way I found mo$t effective.
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I disagree with this. Smith spent years and vast amounts of money establishing the Shield brand. They're not going to want to waste that.

SIG and Springfield are now challenging that brand (and very successfully.) If Smith wants to compete, they need to get over the engineering hurtle of making a pistol within the size envelope of the current Shield, that has a flush fit magazine capacity of 10 rounds (in 9mm.) If they don't do this, they are going continue to lose huge market share, as they done since the P365 came out. This isn't really optional for them.

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So as scott said above, if S&W were to come out with a higher capacity pistol it would be an entirely new model and they'd call it something else.
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We have so many choices in compact/semicompact/microcompact these days it's an extensive catalog of it's own...at this point of saturation it would likely be a slim to zero return on investment for a manufacturer to invest in design, tooling and marketing for placing yet another model into that mix.
Unless it's a phaser, of course.
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We have so many choices in compact/semicompact/microcompact these days it's an extensive catalog of it's own...at this point of saturation it would likely be a slim to zero return on investment for a manufacturer to invest in design, tooling and marketing for placing yet another model into that mix.
Unless it's a phaser, of course.
I believe blockbuster video and Motorola said something similar to this..

Ok, I donít know if they actually said that, but the point is the moment manufacturers stop innovating is the moment their product starts to die. You can bet someone is working on an even larger capacity than the P365 and hellcat at the moment. The competitors are ahead and are probably working on something even more innovative. If S&W refuses to keep up with whatís already out there, imagine how far behind theyíll be in 5 years.
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There is competing, which is trying to make the same basic product but with some differences, and there is innovating, which is bringing a new product to a new market. Innovation beats competition, generally.

The Shield is an innovative product line that gained a huge market share quickly. Now it is a competitive product, still with a big lead. To change this product to compete against the competition? Eh. It is still the leader and will likely remain so as the market apparently likes it. Lots of profit still rolling into S&W from this product line without changing it.

Better to innovate a new product/market and get ahead again.

Like the two EZís. They are just getting going, and the competition has yet to produce equivalent products. Guess whose going to have over a million units sold before competitors try to get their left over market share?

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There is competing, which is trying to make the same basic product but with some differences, and there is innovating, which is bringI got a new product to a new market. Innovation beats competition, generally.

The Shield was an innovative product that gained a huge market share quickly. Now it is a competitive product, still with a big lead. To take this product and compete against the competition? Eh. It is still the leader and will likely remain so as the market apparently likes it.

Better to innovate a new product/market and get ahead again. Like the two EZís. They are just getting going, and the competition has yet to produce equivalent products. Guess whose going to have over a million units sold before competitors try to get their left over market share?
very well said, made the point better than my feeble attempt.
Sig demonstrated innovative thinking with the 365 and it's unique magazine and modular fire control that can be changed from a 10 shot micro to a 12 shot micro-plus in under 5 mins. For many of us it's been a game changer in EDC.
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I agree that the EZ’s were an innovative product that the competition hasn’t answered yet. In fact, I have one.

The caution I would give to S&W is to not fall into overconfidence in the marketplace. If they don’t advance with the competition, they will one day be obsolete. Even Glock tried to give a half-answer with a their “X” bandaid. Are we all that confident that S&W has more market loyalty than Glock where they can get away with NO response?

I’m really not trying to beat up on S&W. In fact, they may even be diligently working on something right now. I own more Smiths than any other manufacturer. In fact, I’m carrying a Smith right now. The truth is that market loyalty is not enough to sustain a business. Look at Harley Davidson for example. All businesses continually need new customers to survive.
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Why don't cha just buy a small 9mm glock and use their 33 rd magazine in it?
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Everybody wants a gun that looks cool, holds 17 rounds of 45 ACP, can hit a fly in the head at 40 yards, weighs 6 ounces, fits in their pocket, has no recoil and cost $120. :-)
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Everybody wants a gun that looks cool, holds 17 rounds of 45 ACP, can hit a fly in the head at 40 yards, weighs 6 ounces, fits in their pocket, has no recoil and cost $120. :-)
Hell yeah, I'll take two of those please...but only if it has a rail for my weapon light and the slide is cut for an RMR!

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Why don't cha just buy a small 9mm glock and use their 33 rd magazine in it?
This logic is infallible. I suppose you got us all there.. except I like a thumb safety...
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I like my Shield 1.0 very much, but I carry my Ruger LC9S. For me, weight and size are all that matter for carry, and the Ruger is lighter and smaller than the Shield. The 8 round magazine is never used in the Shield unless Iím at the range. Makes a bigger gun even bigger.

When did the Shield come out? 10 years ago? Itís not the best choice anymore. Yeah, the Sig is more expensive, but at least it comes with night sights. If round count was my number one priority, Iíd carry the Sig over the Ruger. Theyíre virtually identical in size and weight with more rounds. I do know if I didnít already have a Shield or the Ruger, Iíd pass them both over in favor of the Sig. I keep them both because Iím not going to sell two perfectly functioning and reliable guns to buy one.

Bottom line, Smith needs to make something to compete with the Sig and the Hellcat. Theyíre surely losing sales to them both.

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Might be that they are waiting to see who wins the election. After today, legalisation to restrict magazine capacity may be coming very soon if not an executive order ASAP.
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I just picked up my higher capacity "Shield" today...sorry for the crappy picture, but I was in a hurry to get to work

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