Longer, taller, wider, and heavier than my BG. Although not by a lot. I was surprised at how small the CM9 is. I am not familiar with Kahrs at all, so thank you for the suggestion.

It may not be physically possible to have a 9mm semi auto the same dimensions as my BG, given the longer OAL of the cartridge.

Since I’m such a badass shooter, and can hit a flea at 200 yds, I’ve gone to a single shot handgun.

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After shooting a LC9 (too easy to disable bumping mag release) & having a new Glock blow up in my hand I chose a 365. Shield was a close 2nd choice but I don't like the unneeded trigger-flipper safety. My 365 is as reliable as a revolver & will feed even sideways (an attacker can knock you down). Extra magazine capacity is a plus when things go bump in the night, 1 hand has a light & there's no place to tuck a spare mag. For the record I used a gun in defense twice (don't ask) a .38 spl. worked fine & didn't need a 2nd shot. I'm confident a hollow point 9 would serve just as well.

Me too, sold my 1.0 Shield, shot low; was serious about the 4" Sig 365 XL, didn't fit my hand well while shot shorter version, while I heard so much about their accuracy wasn't impressed. I shot 2 other 365's, still not impressed plus grip in my palm upon recoil. I solved the problem with a 2.0 Shield, improved accuracy, 115 & 124 share POI and if the grip feels good you will shoot it well. The 8 rounds is fine for me ...........

I like the 4" 9 mm shield but like the thumb safety which they don't offer so another S & W stupid mistake.

As I have said before Shield out sells the others sub compacts so they hope higher mag capacity will sell theirs over the Shield, time will tell?

Another SIG complained, have any of you read or seen accuracy reviews on the SIG M-17 or M-18 ? Best 3 or 4 or 5 inch group I have seen @ combat ranges, hope the target 300 lbs.

I'm not giving up anything.....You are obsessed with magazine capacity. And I stated that's OK. But will never prove that a 9mm round(or 3) is better that a 357 mag/41 mag/44 spl-mag/ 45 acp or 45LC. I rest my case. Go forth and be happy...........I am.

Oh. You predict Shield sales going in the dumper.........Ain't gonna happen.

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That's a great point about IWB. I carried several G26's for years, but personally, I never carried them IWB. In my opinion, the shortness of the grip (even shorter than a P365) negates the need for IWB in my opinion. With my body type, a G26 does not print at all wearing a t-shirt so long as I don't have to tuck it in. If I have to do that, I'm going with my thinner Shield or my Ruger LCP II. OWB is so much more comfortable that I don't carry my M&P Subcompact IWB either (in fact, I use the same Mitch Rosen UPL holster that I carried my Gen4's & Gen5 G26's in). So not only do I have a bigger yet better shooting gun with the M&P Subcompact than the P365 (in my hands, and, to a lesser extent, this goes as well for the M&P Shield), but like I said earlier, the extra weight and dimensions do nothing to hurt concealment, so that's why I passed on the P365 and bought the two M&P M2.0 Smiths instead (i.e. I gain nothing with the P365 but lose a bit of shootability and capacity in the case of the Subcompact).

I did, however, also gain something with the Shield. Most of my pistols do NOT have manual safeties (and I prefer it that way), but when building my current cache I did purposely get one on my Shield so I have at least one gun that provides that extra layer of protection as an option. I thought about the safety on the P365, but the one on the Shield is better for how I use it. For example, I never carry with a manual safety engaged. I only holster it appendix with the manual safety on and then disengage it once it is seated, and because the manual safety on the Shield does not protrude from the frame (it is flush) I have little to no chance of accidently actuating it in my opinion (and never have).

You're also exactly right about capacity. If you're not giving up anything, the extra capacity is a no brainer. Although in my experience that is seldom the case, when it is, more is more, and that's a good thing. The Smith & Wesson M&P Subcompact is 4.3" in height just like the P365 (which is the more critical dimension for me), but it adds two rounds for a total of 13! (Again, that's a no brainer in my case).

As far as the average number of shots in a gunfight is concerned, again, you're right; however, we also have to consider that that, despite the occasional outlyer, the 49% is going to still be within the capacity of even a Shield with a flush magazine (which is still twice the capacity as the alleged average gunfight). And that's why I chose the Shield because its still thinner and it's enough rounds, so for me, and my fluctuating weight, there was no upside for me having a P365 when you think about the statistics (only a slight loss in performance and comfort as it doesn't fit my hand as well either). But that's not true for others, and for those people the P365 is a better choice.

I'm sorry to hear that, but why did the Glock blow up in your hands??? As good as the P365 is, if you're concerned about safety, the P365 doesn't even come close to a Glock in terms of track record (they're not even in the same league). That may not be the case in 10-20 years, but as of now it is regardless of arguments surrounding chamber support in my opinion (though the P365 is likely overall safe enough, but only time will tell). If it was a bad round, I doubt the P365 would have fared any better, but that doesn't mean I'm right either. If anything, however, Glocks are slightly stronger using carbon steel for their slides. The extra chromium in stainless steel makes it technically more malleable which I imagine is the cause behind some of the slide peening that was reported in P365's early on. In my opinion the P365 design could have benefitted from the use of carbon steel. I don't mind the stainless in the Shield as it's likely a heftier slide and certainly proven (or my P229 for that matter). In fact, I had an M&P rust on me whereas none of my other stainless slides have done that (which only suggests S&W may mix in less chromium in their stainless steel). I also had a problem with the stainless steel slide of my Beretta PX4 Storm Compact Inox (it comes in stainless or carbon steel). I've never seen any such issues with slide marring in Glocks (though I have seen the video of someone hammering nails with a Glock slide). Perhaps SIG considered economies of scale and chose to keep all their pistols stainless as a result (like Glock only using carbon steel), but I think because the P365 rides the line of slide mass vs. power so closely as someone mentioned earlier that SIG would have been better off with a carbon steel version that was also an ounce or two heavier in my opinion.

I think it’s safe to assume the Shield is a great gun and will continue to sell like hot cakes for years.

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The Glock 43 blew up on the 3rd round using factory ammo because Glocks have unsupported chambers. Drop a round in a barrel sometime & look @ the bottom. Ever wonder where the the terms "Glock kaboom" & "Glock leg" come from? I owned a gunsmithing business for over 30 years (now retired). My hand, although hurt, still functions. Using a Glock to drive nails is retarded. Glock fanboys continue to spout the glories of their chosen but to me & several others I know they're a ***. Buy what you want, I will do the same.

I wish S&W had a higher capacity micro 9mm to compete with the P365 or Hellcat.

Or, I wish the current Shields were still a value, but they’re not. Local store selling 2.0’s for $479 and 1.0’s for $369.

I got tired of window shopping and waiting for prices to normalize, so I ordered a Hellcat OSP today.

I have P365 and I really like it. I do still carry my P938 and P290RS from time to time, but most of the time I’m carrying the 365.

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SCPO, USCG Retired

Splitting hairs between a Hellcat and a 365 and a Shield is a good reminder of just how far the EDC compact has advanced in the past decade. And a decade from now the fore mentioned weapons will likely be considered old school...lol

The shield was excellent when it came out. I had one, sold it, and got another (2.0) when the price became too low to say no. I replaced my shields with the Glock 43, which I preferred, and then the Glock 43 with a P365XL, which I currently use and quite like.

No, the Shield does not compete well with the 365/365XL, but it's still a fairly concealable handgun with 7 or 8 rounds on tap, and most of us are able to justify carrying a 5 shot J frame, so if its what you got I'd not be too worried.

I'd certainly not pay current market prices for it, but once they're back down to the $260 range they'll continue to sell pretty well.