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Anyone know what red dot is on the PC shield 4"? Any experience with it?? SKU 11788

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This topic has been brought up before and to my knowledge, S&W has never revealed what red dot sight it is.

I believe prior discussions have come close to identifying it, along with a few undesirable characteristics of the S&W execution of the concept.

First, the sights are standard height. Only a mini-sight that is low would fit on this small gun and have any chance of co-witnessing the irons through the RDS. That is made by Shield, an English company that has made RDS for years, even allowing others to rebrand their products. Their older, low end model, the J-Point, appears to be this sight, and the price point seems right. For another $150 you can buy yourself a better model, or the best Shield optic for about $250 more.

I have had two Shield RMS versions on my Shield 1.0, and they are both great sights. I would not get a J-point, if that's what S&W is offering. The cut for the J-Point and the RMS are the same, I believe. Depending on what you want, you might get your Shield without their optic and get a better model sight. If this is for concealed carry, I would not choose to go with the low end.

But there is another problem. This model Shield has a fiber optic green front sight and an orange fiber optic rear sight. The tubes are known for being fragile. Again, not the best for CC.

Then think of your sight picture: Green front dot, two orange rear dots, and a red dot in the screen. Such a wonderful array of colors is for a circus, not anything practical for CC, IMO. Maybe you'll need to change out your sights.

Porting is usually not recommended for a CC gun.

So I'm suggesting you re-analyze your needs and see if this model meets them.

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This topic has been brought up before and to my knowledge, S&W has never revealed what red dot sight it is.

I believe prior discussions have come close to identifying it, along with a few undesirable characteristics of the S&W execution of the concept.

First, the sights are standard height. Only a mini-sight that is low would fit on this small gun and have any chance of co-witnessing the irons through the RDS. That is made by Shield, an English company that has made RDS for years, even allowing others to rebrand their products. Their older, low end model, the J-Point, appears to be this sight, and the price point seems right. For another $150 you can buy yourself a better model, or the best Shield optic for about $250 more.

I have had two Shield RMS versions on my Shield 1.0, and they are both great sights. I would not get a J-point, if that's what S&W is offering. The cut for the J-Point and the RMS are the same, I believe. Depending on what you want, you might get your Shield without their optic and get a better model sight. If this is for concealed carry, I would not choose to go with the low end.

But there is another problem. This model Shield has a fiber optic green front sight and an orange fiber optic rear sight. The tubes are known for being fragile. Again, not the best for CC.

Then think of your sight picture: Green front dot, two orange rear dots, and a red dot in the screen. Such a wonderful array of colors is for a circus, not anything practical for CC, IMO. Maybe you'll need to change out your sights.

Porting is usually not recommended for a CC gun.

So I'm suggesting you re-analyze your needs and see if this model meets them.
thank you sir...have a Trijicon RMR on a full size and love it. Think your comments are spot on.
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I have had an RMR 06 milled onto my FS M&P 9 for about five years now. I love it and feel this is becoming a very good option for fast defensive shooting, especially for older eyes that have trouble picking up iron sights.

Attached is a picture of my Shield 9 mm 1.0. It has a Shield RMS on top of it with Heinie straight eight iron sights. It shoots very well also, but I carry it much less than my full size.

I like iron sights to co-witness in the lower 25% of my RDS window but not detract from focusing on the target for dot application. Colored irons are not helpful in this regard.

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I made a mistake. S&W has a red rear Hi Viz fiber optic sight on the ported PC Shield, not orange as I stated.

So your sight picture would include three red dots and one green in your red dot sight lens.

That makes more sense.

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A PC Shield 4" in 45? I want one.
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