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Old 01-07-2021, 12:12 PM
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Expensive, but I want it. (I'm fortunate to have reached an age where my wallet is getting healthier than my eyesight.)

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Old 01-07-2021, 12:40 PM
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I've seen it advertised and was intrigued. I have a DPP already and like it just fine so I'll be waiting for your first impressions. My only concern is the size of the window in terms of picking up the dot quickly. Let us know.

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This is an unfair evaluation based on assumptions. I have not handled one. I have seen one YouTube review. The reviewer didnít quite seem to know what to say about it, although he tried to stay positive. My opinion as a red dot sight shooter:

Realistically, this a large, heavy, ungainly, expensive ghost ring sight that just so happens to have glass and a red dot. The small window size severely limits its usefulness for self defense. If it is to be used just as an expensive range toy, then ignore the rest of this post.

However, itís a ghost ring that doesnít work because the middle is higher than the top of the former rear sight. Thus lining up the front sight in the middle of the rear ghost ring (as the eye will naturally want to do) will cause the gun to aim low and hit high. Because the window is so small, the front sight can actually obscure the sight picture. Ideally, with such a small window, the shooter would want to make that front sight disappear out the bottom of the little window and still have the dot centered. May as well remove the front sight too.

If you can line this up and find the red dot quickly, you could probably shoot just as well with irons. It appears it would be of little help for fast, threat-focused shooting, the biggest advantage of normally-sized red dot sights that allow hits without aligning the irons.

To detail strip the slide, the sight must be removed to access the back plate.

If carried, especially AIWB, the much extended back of the slide may be uncomfortable and add some difficulty to concealment.

This sight seems to strike out into new territory answering some questions that I havenít heard anyone ask. I donít even know what the questions are.

If there is any advantage, itís the dove tail mounting that would allow the owner to remove it quickly and get his shootín iron back in fighting shape.

Thatís right; I think it is a silly marketing gimmick.
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Old 01-09-2021, 01:03 PM
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CB3, thanks for your thoughts. I agree that it probably won't work as a true "ghost ring."

My only prior experience with red dots is on rifles. I just mount the gun, and a dot magically appears on my target. I don't have to think about it or look for it.

I hope to someday be good enough with a handgun that when I point at a target, the sights are already (nearly) aligned. But I'm not there yet. My presentation is often sloppy, and then I have to find the front sight so I can align it with the rear. I assume I might have the same problem with a red dot - if the gun is not aligned with my eye, I'll have to "fish" for the dot. A large screen would be more forgiving, but my slide is not milled for a full-size red dot.

I'm hoping that the "tunnel" shape of the Leupold Micro will make it intuitive to align the gun so that I'm looking through the sight. Then I can shift my focus to the target (with both eyes open) and just "see" the dot instead of tilting my head back and straining to focus on the front sight through the bottom of my progressive bifocals.

Anyway, I think it's worth a try, but I have not yet found a vendor that has the thing in stock...
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Old 01-09-2021, 02:52 PM
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I think your reasoning is sound. Iím just concerned that you will likely find this expensive experiment not to your liking.

A lot of people are interested in trying the regular size red dot sight on a pistol. Those of us who have them milled & mounted are almost all willing to let others try our setups with us. Ask at your local range to see if an RDS shooter can be found who would let you shoot with him (/her). For the cost of a few rounds of ammo you might see the advantages to which I referred.

However, be careful of trying a substandard mount. Co-witnessed with irons is a great advantage, and as low on the slide as possible is the best. The higher the RDS is above the slide, the less likely you are to adapt quickly to the concept and the less likely there will be rear iron co-witness.

Except for ammo (hopefully 9mm), your cost would be zero. You might even find two or three shooters willing to do this with you with slightly different equipment.

Good luck on your quest.
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Certainly a range of opinions.

At 65 years of age with arthritic hands I'm finding iron sights a bit challenging.

I have a green dot on my S&W M&P 22 and I can burn out the bullseye at 15 yards. I have only irons on my 9mm Shield 9mm and don't do so well.

My 9 is my CC weapon and I really need to have confidence, which is a part of having skill, to hit where I'm aiming. If a microdot helps in any way -- I'm all for it.
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For the price, ill pass.

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Certainly a range of opinions.

At 65 years of age with arthritic hands I'm finding iron sights a bit challenging.

I have a green dot on my S&W M&P 22 and I can burn out the bullseye at 15 yards. I have only irons on my 9mm Shield 9mm and don't do so well.

My 9 is my CC weapon and I really need to have confidence, which is a part of having skill, to hit where I'm aiming. If a microdot helps in any way -- I'm all for it.
I understand the desire to improve self defense accuracy and confidence.

I think the trade off with this Micro of increased size on a concealed carry Shield would give me pause. The sight picture and gun handling are going to change. For instance, since your rear sight is now higher than a regular Shield iron sight, your presentation of the pistol will have to change. The small size of the window will likely eliminate the option for target focused shooting, as with larger screens, so while slow fire accuracy may increase, rapid fire self defense shooting may be even harder.

Just points to consider before spending a lot of money on something new and not very well tested as yet by shooters like you.
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