I have not seen one in person as I think they're pretty unusual. It has much of what I want... 5" bbl, frame safety, but I have Q's.

I assume it can it be carried cocked and locked? Is the trigger solid or articulated?

Finally for owners, opinions? I do not like Glocks, the grip angle points unnaturally for me where all S&W, Beretta, Sig etc. alloy and steel framed work better. What is the grip angle analogous to?

Get the gun with a safety if you are going to carry it.

I was sitting in the living room one evening talking to my son who was standing in the hallway, he pulled his pistol out of the holster and was talking to me about trading it to me for another pistol I have. I told him I was not interested in the trade because it was a new Shield .45 and I had shot it before and the texture on the grip literally rubbed my hand raw.

He was re holstering the gun and it went off, I looked at him and said what the f**k. We went down to the basement which is finished looking for a hole in the ceiling, we could not find one. So I went back into the reloading room and about 5 min later my son comes in and says dad we have a problem. The dumb *** shot himself in the leg, it was just a flesh wound and the bullet was at the surface of the skin. So I spent the next 30 min digging a bullet out of his leg. I asked him why he would purchase a gun he was going to carry with out a safety. His reply was it does have a safety, it has a trigger safety, I asked him "how did that work out for you". He hasn't carried it since that night. You will gain muscle memory drawing your pistol after you use it awhile.

I know of another instance were a guy was putting his gun in his jacket pocket and the plastic ball on the waist tie got caught in the trigger and he missed shooting his 9 year old daughter by only a foot. This happened in a Burger King. Dude wasn't to happy with me because I got in his face because he was laughing about it.

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I have some experience with the 4.25” M & P 9 with the manual safety.

The trigger is hinged at the top as a kind of safety lever, similar to the blade in the Glock and similar triggers. The grip angle is closer to the 1911 than a Glock.

The safety lever doesn’t take a lot of force to move on and off so I would try it out before buying. As a striker fired gun I supposed you can call it “cocked and locked” with the safety on, but with proper gun handling it is an extra/optional feature for me. Good luck in your decision.

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M&P 2.0 .40 5" with thumb safety is NOT unusual. Is just one of the models in M&P line.

I'm not sure if "cocked & locked" applies well to striker fired pistol... but yes - you load round into the chamber and (if still not feel comfortably) put the safety ON.
If you never used striker fired handgun with thumb safety... you may find it extra and not needed part.
The trigger is a standard one - hinged with trigger safety mechanism.

M&P 2.0 grip angle is 18 degrees. So it the same as 1911, CZ, Beretta; very close to SIG and far away from Glock.

My EDC is a full size 9mm M&P.

I carried 1911 for 20 years. The reason I got the Smith over Glock was because Smith points like my 1911 did.

And yes mine has the thumb safety. The alternative is to risk "Glock Leg."

This has nothing to "have thumb safety or not to have it". No firearm is idiot proof.
If you follow 4 gun safety rules - such situation will never happen to you.

Great, a constructive reply. I've been an instructor (both civilian and State / NRA Law Enforcement) for 30+ years, and have owned a few and fired hundreds of striker fired students pistols and the grip angle is a big issue with me, they just do not point naturally for me.

As far as them being "unusual" They most certainly ARE, at least in the south Florida tri county area. I have yet to see one in any of the half dozen LGS I frequent, nor in any of the major gun shows in South Florida area from West Palm beach to Miami. That's a whole lot of personal observation time. Online I've seen a sum total of ONE 5" model but a pic is useless for verifying my OP Q's.

Why peep must be so combative regarding a simple local observation, sheesh, if the shelves are overflowing with them in your LGS, is there REALLY a need to contradict my observations? REALLY?

A thumb safety is not a substitute for proper gun handling procedures.

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Yet another useless reply to a question not asked.

There’s a reason I have no ammo on the table when I clean my guns.
I never show anyone a gun that’s loaded.
Never trust a safety on a gun.

Never point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot. Many Remington 700 owners should read this one twice.

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Maybe you have a gripe with my wanting a safety, I don't give a hoot. Tie back the elf penis on a Glock, pin the grip safety on a 1911, while at it disable the thumb safety eh?

I have no qualms with gun safety, mine are with engineers, attorneys, and familiarity with the safety if you don't like it too bad.

Stop the postulating it serves no purpose.

"Cocked and locked" is basically a meaningless term as applied to a striker fired pistol, IMHO.

On a 1911, a FNX, an original CZ-75, etc., it has an application. Jeff Cooper called it CONDITION 1.

If you want a striker fired pistol with (yet?) another type of safety there's always the grip safety on a Springfield XD...

Cheers!

P.S. Then thrre's the NEW IMPROVED "California Carry Condition-PC": that's with the pistol unloaded, the empty magazine in one pocket and bullets in another pocket in a locked bag.

I'm the only one in this room qualified to carry a Glock .40!

Baaaannnggg!!!, ouch!

It does indeed feel a great deal like a 1911, it feels awesome, and yes it is "cocked and locked".. I love the way it feels, the thumb safety and the trigger.... if you have carried a 1911, you feel right at home.. mines a .40, and its a pleasure to shoot...

I don't like the sights, the grip texture, and it takes a little effort to rack the slide.. yes I am a country boy, but I'm gonna qualify for medi-care next month.. I've lost a lot of weight, I never expected to lose muscle mass and tone, but I did.

Its a lovely handgun that would handle any business you wished,, with a 15 rd mag and a couple of spares.. if its the middle of the night, this is the weapon I'm gonna pick up to defend myself and my family, my safety engages with authority, and "clicks" off!

I bought it last week. My first and only polymer since a LONG time ago.

I think the military would have done better with this one than the Sig.

I saw this video several years ago. Turns out he was wrong about being
qualified to carry the Glock 40. However, he was the only one in the room with the opportunity and means to shoot himself in the leg, and he was foolish enough to do it. I recall reading that he lost his job over this incident.
I am now totally Glockless because of the grip angle and the lack of a thumb
safety. Like the M&P much better.

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Is it Flat Dark Earth? That is the only 5 inch .40 available with the thumb
safety on the S&W website.

gnappi,
Don't know if you've fired it yet, but my son got one several months ago with the thumb safety (FDE color was all they had). We put 125 rounds of FMJ 165 and 180 gr. through it without an issue, and it was very accurate. I think you will be pleased.

Agree, the grip angle of the 2.0 points naturally for me.