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Old 02-16-2021, 07:59 AM
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I purchased a M&P 2.0 less than a year ago. I probably have less than 100 rounds through the gun. Just recently, my wife and I was at the range and the gun choked, as in, the round cycled did not fire. Also, the round would not easily eject. The range guide came over and by pulling repeatedly managed to get the round out. However, after inspecting the gun, he mentioned that the case of the gun was cracked.

I have since sent the gun back to S&W and they claimed the cracking problem was caused by the ammo and would not honor the warranty. That seems odd, since I was shooting CCI Blazzer 115 gr, 9mm ammo and my wife's Glock 43 shot the same ammo and did not have a problem. I looked online and the M&P is known for cracking.

I explained to the customer rep. that I shot the same ammo as my wife's gun and it cycled just fine.

A little background, I just recently retired after serving 31 years in both the army (first) and then the Navy. I have my share of wars and experience with side arms. Now, I'm retired and on a fixed income. The M&P was purchased at the beginning of the COVID epidemic, because at the time, we had no firearms in the house. Both guns were purchased at the same time from the exchange (receipt sent to S&W). S&W is adamant that this problem of the cracked frame was not due to a known cracking problem but due to ammo. So, which ammo are you suppose to use in your firearms? Because, the CCI Blazzer was purchased at my local range.

Since S&W offered to me, to purchase yet another gun for what they claim is a discount $499.00. Why would I purchase another gun from S&W when they refuse to honor the warranty on the first, and if the second gun fails from the same problem, they will not honor that warranty either. Lastly, at that expense, which I cannot afford at this time, I could have purchased a steel frame gun, without a know cracking problem.

Ultimately, I only want my gun that I purchased to have been fixed or replaced, which, seems is the right thing.
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Old 02-16-2021, 01:04 PM
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Welcome to the forum.

Let me correct one thing right off, the M&P line is not "known" for cracking. If you found that info on line somewhere, please post a link to it.

I'll leave the rest alone for now except to say that a pic of the issue would be helpful.
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Old 02-16-2021, 04:24 PM
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You should contact the ammo manufacturer and explain to them.
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Old 02-16-2021, 04:48 PM
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Or call S&W back and try again. From what you're saying, they should want to see that gun.
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Old 02-16-2021, 07:36 PM
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Sorry to hear of your problem. I have sent a few things in over the years with no problems and no questions so odd to hear your story. I recently bought a 5" with poor milling in the slide. When I called they simply sent the return label and warned of extended turn around times. No hassle return that I'm confident will be corrected by around April...not happy about that part! Being curious I called Ruger to inquire about their turn around times and was told that it had gotten down to about 3-4 weeks lately but was also out at 8-10 weeks at times.

Call again and see if you can get some resolution. Seems like you shouldn't have to go through hoops but I wouldn't give up on it. Unfortunately sometimes it depends on who you talk to. Being nice to the CS rep is always a good idea.

I know it is very frustrating but patience is your only option. Also I don't believe cracked frames are an issue with the M&P line.

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Where is the frame cracked? If you didn't feel a round with an extra dose of recoil (overcharge) then I don't see how it could be ammo. Some pictures would be great.

When you say you bought it "at the exchange" do you mean brand new at a BX? Depending on the damage, i wonder if it got dropped before you bought it.
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Old 02-16-2021, 10:51 PM
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Why bother to have a lifetime warranty if theyíre not going to honor it? They didnít even look at the gun and the blamed the ammo. Iíd keep at it.

My friendís dad died like 10 years ago and my friend inherited his Ruger Security Six. 35 year old gun with tens of thousands of full power .357. That was the first .357 I ever shot when I was about 16. Gun was a bit loose so my buddy called Ruger. They said send it in and even paid shipping. Completely restored the gun to new and even re-blued it after asking my buddy. Sent it back. Total cost was zero. And this was a gun they didnít even make anymore.

8 month old brand new gun should be covered. No questions asked.
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:25 PM
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Sorry for your troubles.

If you have any leftover rounds in the box of the ammunition you used, I would keep it. I would also call factory customer service again and escalate your request to a manager/supervisor until you get (at least) a prepaid shipping label for the gun to be returned. Offer to have the ammo sent for inspection as well.

Mentioning your long military career probably wouldn't hurt either. Good luck and let us know what happens should you decide to pursue this.
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:58 PM
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A number of you have mentioned things like S&W should see the gun and variations on this.

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...I have since sent the gun back to S&W and they claimed the cracking problem was caused by the ammo and would not honor the warranty. ...
So, they have apparently examined the gun and declared it was caused by the ammo.
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Key facts. Repeated to show my understanding of the situation.

You purchased a M&P 2.0 less than a year ago.

Have less than 100 rounds through the gun.

Round cycled but did not fire.

Round would not easily eject.

The range guide managed to get the round out.

However, after inspecting the gun, the case of the gun was cracked. (Describe location).

Sent the gun back to S&W.

S&W claimed the cracking problem was caused by the ammo and would not honor the warranty.

Seems odd, since you were shooting CCI Blazzer 115 gr, 9mm ammo.
No reloads or hot loads.

Facts from previous post. Did I mis-understand anything?

Call CS again

Speak with different CS representative. Do not rely upon email for this case.

Be polite , patient and firm. Describe the frame damage for this new CS rep.

Ask to talk with the CS manager too.

Have the receipt handy.

My question:
Did you register warranty info on line?


My understanding
I see that S&W inspected the gun but judged the cause to be ammo.

Point out to the CS rep that you used CCI blazer 115 gr factory ammo. Same box was good in your wife's gun same session.
Find out why tgey deyerminedvammo as tge cause.

Prior to the call.
Contact CCI too.

Do you still have the ammo box ( for the lot number.)?

Possibly CCI may want the ammo to inspect the ammo and know lot number if known.



If really an ammo problem possibly CCI would help out.

S&W CS

If not an ammo problem then escalate to the manager. By phone not email.

I would contact S&W again. The first CS warranty response may be wrong.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes.

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Old 02-17-2021, 12:05 AM
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... I looked online and the M&P is known for cracking. ... S&W is adamant that this problem of the cracked frame was not due to a known cracking problem ...

...and if the second gun fails from the same problem... I could have purchased a steel frame gun, without a know cracking problem.

Ultimately, I only want my gun that I purchased to have been fixed or replaced, which, seems is the right thing.
Since your post, I have done a fairly extensive (but, I suppose, not exhaustive) search of the internet for any mention of this "known problem."

Do you have any evidence of this? I can't find it. Please provide links (there must be more than one for it to be a "known problem"). Otherwise, I am extremely skeptical of your claim.
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A number of you have mentioned things like S&W should see the gun and variations on this.

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So, they have apparently examined the gun and declared it was caused by the ammo.
Youíre right. Missed that he sent it back. Iím still calling BS. What evidence would be left behind that would determine it was ammo related? I always wonder that. They say they wonít honor warranty if reloads were used. They werenít in this case, but how would they even know? Do they take some sort of chemical analysis of the frame to determine the powder that was used? I highly doubt it. It seems to be an easy excuse to avoid making good.

Bottom line, itís a 10 month old gun with 100 rounds through it. The OP says it was factory ammo. Unless they can determine it wasnít or they can determine some over charge of the ammo, honor the warranty and move on. Theyíre not even gonna notice the minuscule loss of profit if they replace the gun.

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Old 02-17-2021, 10:24 AM
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S&W has a good reputation for standing behind their products.

There must be more to this story.
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Old 02-17-2021, 11:05 AM
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Since your post, I have done a fairly extensive (but, I suppose, not exhaustive) search of the internet for any mention of this "known problem."

Do you have any evidence of this? I can't find it. Please provide links (there must be more than one for it to be a "known problem"). Otherwise, I am extremely skeptical of your claim.
I've owned and shot dozens and dozens of M&Ps, and know hundreds of people who have done the same. I've never once heard any stories of cracked frames. The OP must be thinking of those ugly Austrian brick looking guns. I won't mention any names, but they start with a G. And end in lock...
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While not every customer service rep or transaction is a model of customer care, this seems a bit..........unusual.

I think I'll leave the comments at that.
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Assuming that this is legit and not just a drive-by, I would like to see some pics of this crack. Sorry, but you'd be surprised at how often you see posts just like this one, except the topic creator never comes back, never responds to any of the posts, and just wastes everyone's time with a questionable story with no resolution. On the occasion that they do respond, they never stick around afterwards and never follow through with the alleged report to the point of its resolution.

Again, sorry to question the legitimacy of this report into question, but it strikes me as odd how this sort of thing only ever seems to happen to newcomers, never to regular users nor diehard fans who own multiple M&Ps who you'd think would have much higher odds of getting a lemon since they own so many examples and always get the latest models at launch.

If this is real, then you'll want to contact Smith & Wesson again about this and ask to speak with a supervisor or even a manager because this goes completely against their policy and frankly I've yet to hear a single substantiated report of this actually happening.
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Old 02-17-2021, 01:48 PM
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S&W has after examining the gun says it was not a result of a manufacturing defect and was caused by the ammunition used so that door is closed.

IF the O.P. still has the box that the ammunition was in the next step will be to contact the ammunition manufacturer about your gun. The box the ammunition was in will have the production number and date of manufacturing. The manufacturer will want this information to investigate your claim.

As the O.P. is quick to blame S&W ammunition companies on rare occasions have a cartridge(s) that slip through their safety and inspection steps.A friend had a chamber on a new Ruger Vaquero 45 Colt bulge when he shot a box of Remington factory ammunition through it. He sent the gun to Remington along with the box the ammunition was in. He said he got a phone from a Remington rep. and the only thing they seemed concerned about was if he was injured (which he was not). There was no way for him to know what caused the problem but he received a new Vaquero with neither company explaining what happen and no admission of guilt.

As a new shooter to handguns the O.P. may not recognized a over pressure round being fired.

TRICH000 thank you for your service to your country but it has nothing to with getting resolution to your unfortunate problem.

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... the gun choked, as in, the round cycled did not fire. Also, the round would not easily eject. The range guide came over and by pulling repeatedly managed to get the round out. However, after inspecting the gun, he mentioned that the case of the gun was cracked.
I am no expert here, but I'm not understanding this.

It didn't fire so it's not a case of an overpowered round or anything like that.

Pulling repeatedly on what exactly? Does this mean the breech/chamber was stuck closed and the extractor was attached to the casing still and the range officer was pulling on the slide? Or the slide could be stopped back, but the round was jammed in the chamber somehow? Or what?

If the round didn't fire then how would it crack the frame? I'm not sure if the force of the recoil spring is sufficient by itself to crack the polymer frame if it wasn't already compromised somehow.

Not making any pronouncements or calling anybody out. Just thinking out loud. I don't get it.
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Old 02-18-2021, 11:30 AM
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I am no expert here, but I'm not understanding this.

It didn't fire so it's not a case of an overpowered round or anything like that.

Pulling repeatedly on what exactly? Does this mean the breech/chamber was stuck closed and the extractor was attached to the casing still and the range officer was pulling on the slide? Or the slide could be stopped back, but the round was jammed in the chamber somehow? Or what?

If the round didn't fire then how would it crack the frame? I'm not sure if the force of the recoil spring is sufficient by itself to crack the polymer frame if it wasn't already compromised somehow.

Not making any pronouncements or calling anybody out. Just thinking out loud. I don't get it.
Tell this to S&W. Have they stated in writing their opinion? If not get it in writing. It is odd because S&W usually just fixes or replaces guns without question.
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With TRICH009 being noticeably absent from this forum since his FIRST & ONLY post ever, and considering that his complaint with S&W seems very unusual and contrary to S&W's business practices, I think we need to take a deep breath and consider that this entire complaint may be a complete fabrication ! ! !
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The only crack I found was older thread on M&P forum , frame cracked between the pin and takedown lever
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With TRICH009 being noticeably absent from this forum since his FIRST & ONLY post ever, and considering that his complaint with S&W seems very unusual and contrary to S&W's business practices, I think we need to take a deep breath and consider that this entire complaint may be a complete fabrication ! ! !
I think you're right. Almost sounds like Russian collusion!
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With TRICH009 being noticeably absent from this forum since his FIRST & ONLY post ever, and considering that his complaint with S&W seems very unusual and contrary to S&W's business practices, I think we need to take a deep breath and consider that this entire complaint may be a complete fabrication ! ! !
I agree.

First, a claim of a "known problem" that no one knows about or can find evidence of, and

Second, a claim regarding S&W warranty service and general customer service that is contrary to experiences of other owners.

It is either a complete fabrication or the OP is withholding key facts. Given his claim of a "known problem" that doesn't seem to exist, I'm leaning toward, as you say, a complete fabrication.
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OK, I didn't want to say this yesterday to give it a chance to be real. However, after a day and 22 replies, I suspect this is just another troll post.
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Tell this to S&W. Have they stated in writing their opinion? If not get it in writing. It is odd because S&W usually just fixes or replaces guns without question.
I think you may have mistaken me for the OP sir.

I'm not actually. I was just wondering about some of the details of this fella's story.

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I think you may have mistaken me for the OP sir.

I'm not actually. I was just wondering about some of the details of this fellas story.
Your right, I did. Sorry.
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Your right, I did. Sorry.
Oh no apology necessary
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I didn't want to be too hasty, but now that it has been over 72 hours without a word from the TC, I'm confident that this is just another drive-by...

Threads like this are so frustrating because on occasion they become the basis of unsubstantiated rumors which persist for years afterwards.

Case in point, I recently purchased an M&P40 Shield, which I was initially hesitant to purchase due to persistent rumors of M&P40 Shields being prone to catastrophic failure, (i.e. KABOOMs) but fortunately as someone who once held aspirations of a career in the field of investigative journalism, I have a habit of conducting research to verify such things, and long story short, it turned out to be a load of unsubstantiated nonsense which stemmed from a few drive-by threads posted across multiple forums between the years of 2014-2016. All of which were posted by fly-by-night accounts which rarely even had posts counts in the double digits, never provided any proof whatsoever to back up their claims, all appeared to be variations of the same exact story, and didn't even stick with it until the resolution of their dubious reports.
Only one of them seemed even vaguely plausible, and it was the very first of its kind, with actual pics of the damaged Shield, (albeit extremely blurry, low-res pics which made the alleged cracks in the frame difficult to verify) in which the TC blamed the catastrophic failure on overcharged factory loaded ammo rather than the firearm. Still, he didn't bother to see it through until its resolution, although he claimed that he was working with S&W and the ammo manufacturer to get his firearm replaced.

The point is, these threads get posted quite often for who knows what reason, and often play out the same exact way, so nowadays I'm more apt to doubt these sorts of threads. If the TC ever comes back, (which I doubt) then hopefully he'll bring at least something along as proof like a pic of the alleged cracked frame.
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Amen to that, brother!
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Smith returning to the sender an under warranty cracked handgun with a 'not our problem' statement, choosing to create that level of liability vs. replacing the weapon they turn out by the tens of thousands? Where's my hip waders....
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Did I miss a post or did the OP drop this here and disappear?
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I didn't want to be too hasty, but now that it has been over 72 hours without a word from the TC, I'm confident that this is just another drive-by...
I suspected this from day one, but wanted to give the benefit of the doubt. Alas, I fear you're correct.

It's beyond unlikely that S&W would return a broken gun regardless of why it was damaged.
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Speaking of cracked frames, this gives me a chance to **** on Walther USA. I had a Walther PPQ and one day I noticed a crack in the frame ( I believe that I still have it kicking around here somewhere). I emailed Walter USA with pictures. They responded that there is nothing they can do for me. They said that frames cannot be repaired and that they don't replace them. I emailed back and said that I wanted to speak to someone higher up the chain. I got a reply from the Customer Service Manager. He reiterated the policy. I said that every other maker of polymer guns replace frames all the time. He replied that they wouldn't. I asked if I could send it in for them to look at. He replied that there was no need to because they will not repair or replace the frame regardless. I offered to pay for a new frame. He replied that payment wasn't the problem. It was their policy NOT to replace frames. He closed that email with "Make sure you dispose of the firearm properly"

Thankfully, I knew of another Walther Importer named "Earl's Repair Service". I emailed him asking about the frame. He answered back that he had plenty of PPQ frames in stock but since the gun wasn't imported by him that I would have to pay for the frame. I gave him my credit card. He charged me $143 for a new frame shipped to my FFL.

Thank God for Earl... but I will never buy another Walther product, Walther USA sucks!!

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Would you by any chance still have any pics of this cracked PPQ frame? Because much like this report regarding an M&P, your story goes against what Walther's Legendary Lifetime Warranty states, not to mention stories I've heard from folks regarding their experiences dealing with Walther Arms USA.

I don't play favorites, so my policy is the same regardless of brand. Also, context is important, how precisely did the frame become cracked? Were you firing overpressure ammunition out of it?

Honestly, anyone can say; "My [insert make/model firearm here] broke and [insert company here] won't replace it!" So you kind of have to back up such accusations with some form of evidence.
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Hopefully this works.. It's a bit beat up now because it's been in my tool box for a few years.
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That is the old frame with the crack.
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That is the old frame with the crack.
I mean didn't you buy that PPQ used? or am I reading the wrong presspics post in the Walther forums?
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You are correct. I bought the gun used. That's why I offered to pay for the frame replacement.
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They said that frames cannot be repaired and that they don't replace them.
Definitely a strange occurrence because it does indeed tell a different story than the warranty would suggest.

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In fact you shouldn't have needed to pay for it as it's covered under the warranty, if you're the original owner or not.

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I'm going with this is a drive by.

Also if CCI did somehow make a round that was overpowered, a lot of companies don't cover that type of damage. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a big name ammo manuf. detonated a gun with a bad batch of ammo.

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You are correct. I bought the gun used. That's why I offered to pay for the frame replacement.
Well, there you go, Walther's Warranty only covers the original buyer, so it really wasn't eligible for repair/replacement under warranty, and they don't sell frames separately either, so you can't fault Walther for their refusal to do so.
Furthermore, very few firearms manufacturers would have repaired/replaced the frame under the same circumstances, so isn't Walther in particular refusing to provide an otherwise common service.

Smith & Wesson is somewhat unique in the way that they'll often deviate from the terms of their Warranty by coving used firearms, but then again, they're not really consistent as they'll typically refuse if they're expressly informed that the firearm was purchased used, so it's really more that they neglect to ask whether or not someone who contacts them regarding warranty is the original owner of the firearm.

In fact, this is why I generally avoid purchasing used firearms unless they're extremely cheap or otherwise long out of production anyway, because you really cannot be entirely sure what the original owner subjected it to, ergo your Walther PPQ's frame may have cracked because the original owner (Let's call him Bubba...) bought a "Bag O Bullets" online filled with mixed +P+ loads and thusly overstressed the frame with ammo it wasn't rated for causing premature failure of the frame.
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Now THIS is a cracked frame! 230gr, Winchester white box. No injuries. Smith replaced the gun and Winchester replaced the lot of ammo.

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Definitely a strange occurrence because it does indeed tell a different story than the warranty would suggest.

In fact you shouldn't have needed to pay for it as it's covered under the warranty, if you're the original owner or not.

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Rastoff, this is why I will bash Walther USA whenever I can over this. If S&W was still the distributor for Walther when this happened then S&W would have replaced the frame for me.

Thankfully Earl's Repair Service came through for me so I could replace the frame and get Walther out of my life. They lost me as a customer for life.
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Well, there you go, Walther's Warranty only covers the original buyer, so it really wasn't eligible for repair/replacement under warranty, and they don't sell frames separately either, so you can't fault Walther for their refusal to do so.
Furthermore, very few firearms manufacturers would have repaired/replaced the frame under the same circumstances, so isn't Walther in particular refusing to provide an otherwise common service.

Smith & Wesson is somewhat unique in the way that they'll often deviate from the terms of their Warranty by coving used firearms, but then again, they're not really consistent as they'll typically refuse if they're expressly informed that the firearm was purchased used, so it's really more that they neglect to ask whether or not someone who contacts them regarding warranty is the original owner of the firearm.

In fact, this is why I generally avoid purchasing used firearms unless they're extremely cheap or otherwise long out of production anyway, because you really cannot be entirely sure what the original owner subjected it to, ergo your Walther PPQ's frame may have cracked because the original owner (Let's call him Bubba...) bought a "Bag O Bullets" online filled with mixed +P+ loads and thusly overstressed the frame with ammo it wasn't rated for causing premature failure of the frame.
That's nonsense. I have been buying guns for more than 34 years. I have NEVER had a manufacturer refuse to fix a gun whether I bought it new or used. As a matter of fact most will cover used guns expressly due to liability purposes. They don't want a potential lawsuit if a gun causes injury. As a matter of fact Walther screwed up big time by telling me not to send it in for evaluation. Because then they could have said it's unrepairable and the frame cannot be replaced but they cannot send the gun back to me because it isn't safe. That is exactly why manufacturers ask you to send the gun back no matter how small the problem is.

S&W and Glock replace frames all the time. As a matter of fact Glock has a whole discounted price list for people that want to change frames and sights and anything else you want.

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A little surprised to see the .45 M & P but excessive pressures can cause these failures. I've read posts here and watch You Tube vids with claims of thousands of rounds (10k-20K) through their M & P's without a rebuild of the frame or parts. If you been in the firearms industry for ay length of time not every firearm is perfect while as it seems S & W lifetime warranty now seems "limited". S & W did extend the chassis on 2.0's so maybe their was a problem but not wide spread ?

Sig having issues with the 320 fire control, a few out of court settlements with L.E.'s discharging in their holsters injuring them. Now the Canadian military has boxed up their new 320's after holster discharges. So it seems SIG trying to keep these cases under the radar with the 320. So not every gun perfect but not resolving a safety issue does not send the right message to end users.
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Now THIS is a cracked frame! 230gr, Winchester white box. No injuries. Smith replaced the gun and Winchester replaced the lot of ammo.

Why I'm holding off on buying a used 1.0 version.
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Well, there you go, Walther's Warranty only covers the original buyer, so it really wasn't eligible for repair/replacement under warranty, and they don't sell frames separately either, so you can't fault Walther for their refusal to do so.
See the link I posted in post #40. Walther's warranty is on the gun, not the owner. It clearly states that it doesn't matter if you're the original owner or not.

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Why I'm holding off on buying a used 1.0 version.
The gun in that pic looks like it suffered from an over pressured round. Don't let this one pic stop you from buying a great gun. I have about 5K rounds through my M&P guns without issue.
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Why I'm holding off on buying a used 1.0 version.
This was an ammo issue. The gun did exactly as it was supposed to during a failure.
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See the link I posted in post #40. Walther's warranty is on the gun, not the owner. It clearly states that it doesn't matter if you're the original owner or not.

The gun in that pic looks like it suffered from an over pressured round. Don't let this one pic stop you from buying a great gun. I have about 5K rounds through my M&P guns without issue.
Thank you, I'll reconsider.
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