The first pistol with the first caliber specifically for carry?

13458 - SMITH SHIELD EZ 30 SUPER CARRY 10RD W SAFETY BLACK

Product Description

Smith & Wesson is excited to introduce ytheir S&W® Shield™ EZ® in a new caliber! Offering the Shield EZ chambered in Federal® 30 Super Carry™ the Shield EZ pistol features an 10+1 round capacity and a 3.675” barrel, ships with two 10 round magazines that feature a load assist tab for quick, easy loading, as well as a picatinny-style equipment rail to accommodate accessories. The pistol also features an optimal M&P pistol 18-degree grip angle for a natural point of aim, white-dot front and adjustable white-dot rear sights, and a light, crisp trigger!

Higher capacity than .380 version. Perhaps they are attempting to get more performance than a .380 in a thinner cartridge which would allow for more cartridges in the same sized grip.

Odds are always stacked against new handgun cartridges but I think the idea has merit.

Obviously this is all just a guess.

I imagine we will hear more at SHOT.

How many years before they expect ammunition to hit the shelves?

Manufacturers have been running 24/7 trying to meet demand for poplar calibers. Seems like poor timing for a new small bore cartridge.

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I predict the 30 Super Carry will someday be as big as the 45 GAP!

Very interesting. I just gave away some .30 Luger to stop myself from buying another gun in that caliber.

The more, the merrier.

Lol. As I said, odds are always stacked against a new cartridge, even when it has merit.

What a semi auto 327mag type round.

Just what are the ballistics on this wonder round.

Probably a rehash of the 30 French/ 30 Pederson round. We all know what happened to them! Nothing new under the sun.

I honestly don't understand why manufacturers attempt to do this.

I always liked .30 Luger...But when it was upsized to 9MM, the new caliber overshadowed the parent cartridge......Ben

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We are a conservative group here on this forum.

75% of us just wish they would make more revolvers without the lock.

The use case for the equivalent of a .327mag designed for semiautomatics are guns the size of the Ruger LCP Max.

More rounds and more performance in the same sized package.

We live in the age, like it or not, where manufacturers are competing on how many bullets they can stuff in their guns.

This should, if I have it right, allow them to stuff more bullets in a small gun while exceeding performance of the .380.

Odds are against it gaining traction but it's a good idea. It has a chance.

I would not be surprised is Smith releases an LCP Max sized gun in this chambering soon.

I'm hoping S&W did research before making this pistol. Otherwise why would they make pistol chambered with twice more expensive ammo than 9mm.
On the other hand, when I looked at the specification... that might be a easiest shooter ever made:

- Chamber Length: 0 in
- Minimum Pull Length: 0 in



I'm guessing it's just typo.. but who knows?

There's nothing else on this anywhere I can find. Odd. What's the source for your post?

I thought maybe it was April 1st .....

Edit: The more I search, the more I think this is Bogus.

Yaay, now it's 9 vs 45 vs 40 vs 10 vs 30 Super vs...

I'd try one just for grins, but I don't feel like buying a Shield Eee Zee, or investing in an unobtainable caliber.

Might not be a typo.

Pathfinder Militaria | Fed Ammo Ae 30 Super Carry - Default Store View

Thinking with glenwolde, but if so, there are a couple of dealers who have fallen for it.
Smith & Wesson M&P Shield EZ M2.0 30 Super Carry 10rd w/ Safety Black

Nothing on S&W or Federal www. Dealer listings for ammo have .30-06 mixed into the description.

I'm guessing probably closer to .32H&R than .327 ballistics.

Where are they hiding the extractor? Some new caseless ammo? IDK

Just what we need now in the middle of an ammo crunch… Another caliber you cant find and if you do, it will be a buck a round. No thanks.

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Davidsons is listing it as well.

Pathfinder Militaria | Fed Ammo Ae 30 Super Carry - Default Store View
These folks have a price for ammo they don’t have. Never heard of them or dealt with them.

Really hoping this is the case.

I could see it being any one of the following:

-extra high-pressue version of 32 ACP mimicking the 38 ACP vs 38 super (if built on the 380 ACP version of the shield ez)
-32 French reboot possibly with slightly longer/shorter case dimension just cause (if built on the 9mm version of the shield ez)
-40 SW/357 Sig necked down to .30 or .32 caliber (mimicking the 40 super being a necked down 45 ACP)

I found the source...

S&W SHIELD EZ 30 SUPER CARRY BLACKENED SS/BLK THUMB SAFETY

It'll probably be officially announced in a day or 2. Distributers, Wholesalers, Retailers, etc have to be ready for demand once the product is released. Sometimes people start updating their websites with new product pages before the official announcement happens.

Same thing happened with the new S&W 10mm guns.

FWIW I'd be surprised if there's much demand for it... unless they can get a bunch of ammo on the shelves. However, now would be a decent time to introduce a new caliber if you have ammo ready to sell. You can buy this new 30 Super carry and a couple boxes of ammo or a new .380 and no boxes of ammo.

Remind me, how did the .35 auto work out?

You realize that was in 1912, right?

Other new cartridges they've tried within the last 35 years would include the .356tsw. 500 S&W and .460 S&W.

The .356tsw was a good idea but ultimately failed.

If this was April 1st I'd have taken the OP's post as a joke but I guess it's real from what I see. I'm a Luddite and certainly don't need such a caliber but for the massive number of new gun buyers out there maybe this will be much appreciated. Time will tell.

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This cartridge might be fun in a carbine.

Can a six-shot J-frame clambered in this cartridge be far behind? Or maybe a nine-shot N-frame for the competition crowd?

We"ll see if the 9MM luger eats this one alive also.

I could see it being any one of the following:

-extra high-pressue version of 32 ACP mimicking the 38 ACP vs 38 super (if built on the 380 ACP version of the shield ez)

Would have to be sufficiently different to keep it out of .32 ACP guns.

-32 French reboot possibly with slightly longer/shorter case dimension just cause (if built on the 9mm version of the shield ez)

My thought, but as you say with proprietary massage.

-40 SW/357 Sig necked down to .30 or .32 caliber (mimicking the 40 super being a necked down 45 ACP)

Can't get 10 rounds of anything like that in a EZ. Even 9mm necked down (reinvent .30 Luger) would not increase capacity.

You are right. 9mm is a juggernaut. I think the real target is .380acp.

I'll go out on a limb and say this is roughly .32acp lengthened to 9mm case-length dimensions.

These are all attempts by the manufacturers to make money. There really is not any void that is so bad that this cartridge has to fill. Just like the 6.5 Creedmoor was never really needed either, but in it's case it looks like it may be gaining some traction--or at least all the attention it is getting suggests it. Hopefully S&W will succeed.

"30 Super Carry" sounds a little phony to me.................

Just can't see it happening.

Really short . 30 carbine case? Lengthened .32 auto necked down to .30? The possibilities abound. Federal is supposed to be loading it. 90 grain HST bullet. I still can't find a photo or specs on the cartridge.

If this is real my guess is a straight-walled case with .308 to .312 bullet loaded to 380/32 H&R magnum power levels. Sort of a 32 ACP magnum.

The EZ ad lists 10 rounds instead of 8 which wouldn't be possible if it was a necked down 9mm.

That the first gun we know of is a EZ also points to something that is not a semi-auto version of the 327 magnum.

It would be a good cartridge for new shooters or anyone else that does not want to deal with 9mm recoil. While 9mm recoil is not exactly wrist breaking it is enough to intimidate many people. And even experienced shooters often complain about how "snappy" small 9mms like the Sig P365 are. Same goes for even smaller and lighter 380s like the Ruger LCP.

They could design it to use a heavy for caliber bullet with fast burning powder which is more efficient in short barrels and reduces muzzle blast. New shooters often find muzzle blast just as intimidating as recoil.

A 25% increase in capacity would also be a selling point.

Its going to have a hard time getting traction in a market with a lot of well established choices. But if it is done right a combination of low recoil and higher capacity will probably be enough for it to survive.

While us enthusiasts might prefer something much hotter how many of us own something chambered in 7.62 Tokarev?

That'd be the 32 french

Could be cool, I have been interested in a 32 "magnum" auto cartridge since I got into the 327. Lots of potential there imo.

Smith&Wesson is taking some risks. A new cartridge and a new aluminum-framed single-action.

I applaud them for that even if what I really want are new K-L and N-frames with no locks.

The .32acp "magnum" idea has merit in this day and age. I wish Smith luck with it.

Take a look at the 8mm Roth-Styer for an example of what a cartridge of this class could be like. Pretty good ballistics for 1907, and could be enhanced a bit with modern powders.

With the SHOT Show only a couple of weeks away, this may be one of their introductions there.

At least maybe there will be details on the cartridge.

I can see this being a niche caliber/gun if the following conditions are met:

1. Must be available (well, duh!).

2. The gun should be easier to rack and have low recoil. This is for those people with hand-strength problems and things like arthritis. There are threads on this forum about people working those issues. This will give them an option other than going to .22LR.

3. A MODERATE increase in power. Trying to "magnumize" it will defeat the purpose. Keep it subsonic.

4. Quality. If S&W can't deliver a gun that works out-of-the-box for people who don't shoot that much, there's no point.

An additional factor: there may be some markets around the world where the .30-ish calibers are the only easily available options for civilians.

Your thoughts?

Now: on the totally off-topic and probably unrealistic side, I'm already dreaming of .22 target auto formats with this cartridge, just for the heck of it!

I saw one ad that claimed 1200 fps. But other than that I can't find any specs or even a picture this thing.
IDK, I've always been kinda fond of the various .32 calibers. But until more info is available, I'll withhold judgement.

Yep. The rumor is a 100grn bullet moving at 1200fps.

Another rumor is that Remington as well as Federal will produce the ammo.

Neat, but smallbore/high velocity cartridges usually demand longer barrels to be efficient.

We're not getting rid of the 9mm and .380 until we develop handheld railguns or energy weapons...they cheaply and reliably put holes in bodies at realistic pistol ranges.

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A necked down case does not make sense because the case diameter is the main limit to capacity, magazine or cylinder. A 9mm length case and a short bullet so it has about the same overall as a 380.

a 1200fps 100gr has 267 ftlb which is in the 380 ball park

I am not a semi auto guy myself. But I do find it interesting.

I do have a Alloy J frame 32H&R and in light weight clothing weather I am as comfortable with its 6 shots as I am with my 37s 5 shots in 38 special.

But, it isn't all about need. How many guys here only have guns they need???? LOL

I had 3 6mm Remington rifles, a 25-06 and a 308. Yet, I built a 6.5 Creedmoore

A thread on another forum has pictures of the cartridge, including the dimensional diagram and a ballistics chart.

Federal lists a 100gr HST @1250fps.
Supposedly S&W will offer a 30 Carry Shield Plus as well.
If the Shield was 15/17 rounds it would be interesting. I think a little carbine the size of a 10/22 would be neat.

How longer before Ruger, Keltec and a few others come out with guns chambered for this cartridge?