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30 SUPER CARRY INFO

Even more on Federal's site.

Yes, they are pushing it and it sounds like a decent idea if those numbers are true but I DO NOT need another caliber at this stage.
If I was starting out I would probably try it if ammo was available and affordable. The availability of it would concern me for a while.
It’s a unique approach to keep up with the high cap competition.
Instead of changing the mag or gun, make a new caliber.

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I think this will be the deciding factor.

Even if it's available. If it's 20 cents more a round, it will put people off who are perfectly happy with 9mm.

They need to release a Shield plus in 45 if they can get a couple more rounds in that too somehow. That will sell. The Shield and 2.0 Shields in 45 sold pretty well. Don't wanna dis the old faithful

Everyone should jump on this, then 9mm will become cheaper.
Wonder if 12 rounds will fit in a 12rd mag. LOL

That makes a little more sense. The original guns still had less capacity than the 9mm competition.

I am saving my money to buy one now. I have to handle a gun before I buy usually. Since I already own a 9mmEZ. I am ready to buy as soon as I find one in a Gun Shop.

I'm still trying NOT to buy:

that 5mm rimfire .......

Maybe I'll go for that .45GAP

J.

Has anyone seen 30 Super ammo in the stores?

Well, I really hope THIS is not the shape of things to come.

Probably not quite that high. OR, it's dead before it's born.

THIS is more like it. At least for premium SD ammo.

I know this is really preliminary at this point and prices could change drastically, but THIS is 45 acp prices.

Target Sports USA has it on their website but out of stock. 100gr Federal HST JHP for $1.30 a round.

I'm betting "out of stock" is marketing-ese for "never been in stock yet."

I’ve been seeing an advertised 50,000 psi chamber pressure for this new cartridge. That gentlemen... is a LOT of pressure. I would envision that being likely to produce a lot of flash/blast/concussion, and accelerated wear on the firearm. All of that just to squeeze a couple of additional rounds into a firearm that already has decent capacity, while falling a bit short of 9mm performance, costing more than 9mm, having similar recoil to 9mm, and being approximately the same overall length as a 9mm which means it won’t work in the micro guns currently chambered in .380 ACP? No thanks.

I’m sure it will make for a fine cartridge for some people, but it isn’t for me. I might buy one if Smith made a unique pistol specifically for it that couldn’t be had in 9mm or .380. Otherwise, I will stick to those older, more established cartridges.

50k psi doesn't bother me greatly with modern metallurgy. The flash and bang, maybe.

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Confessed Shield Lover. Carry a + and not buying this.

The muzzle blast might not be as bad as you fear. The pressure in cartridges with small case capacity falls rapidly as the bullet moves down the bore. Standard pressure 9mm and 357 magnum both have SAAMI limits of 35,000 PSI but the 357 is far louder. Its the pressure when the bullet leaves the barrel that matters, not the peak pressure when the bullet is still in the barrel.

So far the in reviews of the new cartridge the people shooting it agree that it feels like a 9mm in terms of recoil and none have them have mentioned excessive muzzle blast. But I haven't seen any critical reviews, they have all been from YouTubers and writers that have never met a gun they didn't like. But even they would have mentioned the muzzle blast if it was at 327 Federal/357 Magnum/357 Sig levels.

My guess is 30 Super is going to be little louder than 9mm but not enough louder to really matter. Still waiting for some more objective reviews that aren't at the Federal factory or media range day at the SHOT show to prove me right or wrong though.

I wonder how long it will be before you can buy 30 Super Shield Plus magazines?

I have a first gen Shield 9mm.....nothing else needed, that said,those that are into autos will probably like another caliber to explore

This is laughable.

I'm gonna wait until they chamber a revolver in it.

I want a carbine....

This is a valid concern, and one which Smith & Wesson would be wise to address across the board when it comes to their pistols. I have yet to see a single specimen of a spare magazine for my M2.0 9mm Compact available from a local shop, nor are there ever any in stock when I check the popular online retailers. It seems to be a common theme for modern Smith & Wesson pistols to have a shortage of magazines.

Smith & Wesson M&P9C Compact 9mm 12-Round Factory Magazine with Finger Rest

9mm and 45ACP are two very old rounds. They were developed when metallurgy was not advanced and they are both mild, low stress cartridges. Both cartridges have had more recently developed competitors that set out to substantially match the performance of the older cartridges in smaller, high-performance packages.

I have nothing against the newer calibers, but I'll take the older, low-stress approach unless the newer competitors offer something more substantial than a round or two of more capacity.

Not the same gun. Mine is the M2.0 Compact which comes with a flush fitting 15 round magazine. I appreciate you posting a suggestion though. If you’re not familiar with the newer compacts... the gun I have is almost exactly the same size as a Glock 19. The pistol that accepts the magazine you posted the link to is the older version which was a significantly smaller pistol.

If it's safe to assume that the 30SC will be chambered in 9mm-sized guns, if you start with a 9mm barrel, and just make the hole smaller, it looks like the bolt thrust, and the hoop stress on the chamber is pretty much the same as 9mm+P , at the SAAMI maximums. I wouldn't be surprised if they reverse engineered the max pressure based on that as a goal.

It would be just fabulous if they didn't have to cost 30 or 40 bucks a pop too.

The MSRP for FMJ was the same as 380, and less than 40.

I do agree, but I can also live with the $30-$40 price point considering that the only magazines that are significantly cheaper are those for Glock’s, and I’ll take a steel Smith & Wesson magazine over Glock’s plastic mags without complaint. I generally feel that 6 magazines per semiauto handgun is sufficient, so I won’t let that be a deterrent. The fact that they are nowhere to be found does cause me some concern though.

A 9mm Shield Plus has a maximum capacity of 13+1.

A 30 Super Carry Shield Plus has a maximum capacity of 15+1.

Smith & Wesson calls that minor difference "revolutionary". I don't think so.

Powerful round 30 SC .. will be interesting… to watch

I'm perfectly happy with my Hornady Critical Defense in my EDC.

Is the .30SC *cartridge* a solution in search of a problem?

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[QUOTE=bkeaver;141369232]Do we know when the 30 sc will hit the market?

As soon as they can find some primers.

Won't buy.......If I want a 32 magnum I'll shoot my Ruger SS......Expect it to go the way of the 45 GAP.

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Not a carbine but a large pistol, like the Keltec P50. Something with a 6-8 inch barrel and 35+ round mag.

Now that there's more information out on this, it appears that the goal for the new cartridge is to get 9mm performance out of a smaller one to get two or three more rounds into a small pistol.

Personally, an extra two or three rounds is not going to be enough for me to want to replace my 9mm, especially since the performance is essentially the same. It's not the same as when I switched from a 6+1 Officers ACP to a 13+1 micro compact, with a substantial increase in capacity (and reduction in weight.)

Of course there's also the issues of availability, ammo cost, and dies for reloading, along with the question of if enough people will think it's a big enough upgrade to keep the thing alive commercially in the long run.

Remember the Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine. It flame cut top straps like a carbide cutoff disc. High pressure and cylinder gap don't play well.

I am waiting for the 25 ACP Magnum :-)
Does this 30 offer anything over the FN 57 cartridge? Those do not seem to be jumping off the shelves.

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Lmao, everyone whining about how 2-3 rounds isn't enough difference to make them change are the same people who dumped their Shield for a Shield+ to gain a few extra rounds. A lot of know it all keyboard commandos here for a round they've never fired or even held in their hand...

not interested in another pistol caliber. Happy with my 9 and .45 handguns. Just got my issue of Guns and Ammo, and the writer when discussing the renewed interest and production of the 10 mm pistols, talks about the need for firearm manufactures to keep introducing new versions of calibers and firearms, or the buying public won't feel the "need" to continue to buy the newest gun. Sort of constantly introducing new firearms or they won't remain in business long.

Sort of like the new 5.56 caliber/platform proliferation, of slightly different cartridges, with often insignificant differences in ballistics from what is already available. I think there are dozens of them now. Where did the Whisper go?

In other words, if the public is content with what they have, the manufacturers will go out of business.

Heck, when I went out on ops with the Vietnamese, I left my M16 back in my hootch, and just carried my 7 round 1911. Plus two mags.

I think this new cartridge will never be more than a niche choice. Look at the fading interest in the GAP, the 357 Sig, the TCP22, even the fading 40 cal. There is a long list of forgotten rifle cartridges, once touted as just perfect for some use.

Oh, I took think one should have a minimum of 6 magazines for any pistol. The time will likely come when the Government makes semi auto pistols and their magazines illegal or hard to get.

Me, I am done with acquiring pistols. NAM VET

This is what I'm talking about. I have plenty of 9's already but would like to pick up 2 extra rounds in my 45's. I do like to see new things come out, but I don't necessarily need to own.

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Still rocking a gen.1 Shield 9 with no plans to upgrade. Neither the Plus nor the 30SC give me incentive enough to switch. Glad you got the whole community figured out though, sport.

Hickock45 got his hands on the EZ in 30 SC along with some ammo from Federal. Not a lot of detail here, but at least it's something. This is completely subjective, but it sounds a bit louder and "looks" a hair snappier than 9mm to me.



Could be my imagination, but he's been shooting handguns since the Johnson administration and it just appears a bit snappy in his hands.

Try THIS


I've ordered from these guys twice with no issues.

I do wonder why s&w did not use a good 115gr 9mm like a standard pressure speer gd in there comparison over the 124gr !! hum . Might have made the so called 30super carry performance look not so special .

Saw one of the Tennessee YouTube lead slinging Good Old Boys buy 4 boxes.
Remington.
Says he’s shooting it soon, didn’t reveal the Gun he will use.

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I'm on the fence. Part of me thinks this will end up like the .32 H&R Magnum or the .41 Remington Magnum. The other part thinks this just might take off if Brandon and the boys get a national 10 round mag ban. Regardless, I found a 30 SC EZ at $429 lowest since they became available, and bought it. I'll get it this Wednesday. Maybe it'll be worth something extra some day, like a Md 58??? Or not...