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My 10mm Saga
My new MP 2 10mm is currently in transit back to the factory to hopefully resolve a chronic failure to feed issue with fully loaded factory ammunition. The note and photos below have been provided to Smith and Wesson in this regard:
Gentlemen;
With a variety of factory ammunition that is rated to produce standard 10mm 1200ft/sec plus velocities with 180-200 gr. bullets, I am experiencing repeated failure to feed issues (see photos). These failure to feed issues generally occurs with 4 or fewer rounds remaining in the magazine and regardless of bullet type. Ammunition that is rated below 1200 ft/sec, lightly loaded range ammo with low recoil, functions through this firearm with far fewer failure to feed events.
Your attention to resolving this firearm’s unreliability issues is appreciated.
Through some recent internet research, I have discovered that more than a few other people are experiencing this same issue with higher pressure 10mm loads and their MP 2s. I certainly hope that there is not an underlying engineering issue with these pistols.
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Well,
Since the pistol is already on the way to S&W it's a bit late, but that is a magazine issue, not the gun or ammunition. Do you have more than one magazine, and did you try both/all of them? Your second photo appears to be a double feed, from your attempt to clear the problem incorrectly.
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I experienced the same issues with both magazines. The photos depict the immediate failure to feed events prior to any effort to clear or manipulate the firearm. Make what you will of it, but that is how it is sugaring-out.
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Same problem, both my 4" and my buddies 4.6".
They both went back and we just got back. They polished the feed ramp. Haven't had a chance to try them yet.
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I’m having the same FTF issue with my 4.6” model. Mine runs the range ammo fine, but once you step up to the higher powered 10mm loads (Underwood and AA9 reloads) it has the failure to feed issues. Specifically on the last few rounds like you mentioned.
It’s such a shame too because I really enjoy the pistol. But I don’t want to have to doctor on my gun to get it to run right. Hopefully smith and Wesson offers a fix soon.
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Get in line. Still trying to get my 380 EZ from 2018 fixed for the same issue, plus the manual safety on mine won't stay in the off position. Seems like S&W can not put out a new model and get it right.
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So far my M&P 10MM Auto pistol is just fine, however I only have around 800 rounds of assorted factory and hand loads through it.
I do not shoot ammunition from the small boutique manufacturers. Only my hand loads or stuff from the major players
This includes the Federal P10T1 which is a 180 grain JHP at 1275 along with the SIG 180 V-crown that moves at 1250. I have run lots of the Federal XM1003A which is what the Federal Government buys for the aging MP5/10 inventory but I have not shot it through the M&P 10MM Auto. The Hornady Custom ammunition is also nicely loaded
My favorite 10MM Auto hand load is a 200 grain XTP over 11.7 grains of AA#7 for 1175
CP38,
Did you offer to send Smith & Wesson some of the actual ammunition that is giving you problems?
Remember they are going to test fire with whatever ammunition they have on hand. They may not duplicate your issue
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Yes, on the FTF photos forwarded to Smith, I provided the ammunition detail for their review. I also test fired all of the same ammunition lots through my old Gen. 2 Glock model 20 and experienced no issues whatsoever. The following is a list of ammunition with which my MP 2 routinely failed to function:
Fiocchi 180 gr. FMJ rated @1250 FPS
Underwood 200 gr. Hard Cast rated @1250 FPS
Hornady 10mm Auto 180 Grain XTP rated @1275 FPS
I believe that Smith has a design failure with the MP 2 in 10mm and a remedy will only come with a focused reengineering effort.
As an aside, Underwood and Buffalo Bore ammunition is very commonly used in woods-carry handguns in the northern Rockies.
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This is getting to be a known issue and in my opinion and I'm sure S&W won't agree, they should be also be writing checks to folks for the money they have thrown toward ammunition in attempts to get a brand new pistol to function properly.
Disgust. That's the word.
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My new MP 2 10mm is currently in transit back to the factory to hopefully resolve a chronic failure to feed issue with fully loaded factory ammunition. The note and photos below have been provided to Smith and Wesson in this regard:
Gentlemen;
With a variety of factory ammunition that is rated to produce standard 10mm 1200ft/sec plus velocities with 180-200 gr. bullets, I am experiencing repeated failure to feed issues (see photos). These failure to feed issues generally occurs with 4 or fewer rounds remaining in the magazine and regardless of bullet type. Ammunition that is rated below 1200 ft/sec, lightly loaded range ammo with low recoil, functions through this firearm with far fewer failure to feed events.
Your attention to resolving this firearm’s unreliability issues is appreciated.
Through some recent internet research, I have discovered that more than a few other people are experiencing this same issue with higher pressure 10mm loads and their MP 2s. I certainly hope that there is not an underlying engineering issue with these pistols.
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Out of curiosity, are you using the factory recoil spring?
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My MP 2 10mm is entirely factory built, and I did not make any attempt to modify, replace or adjust any parts.
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I just sent my 4” M&P 10mm in for the exact same issue. Initially they sent me new mag springs and followers, but that didn’t fix it so they asked me to send the pistol to them.
I hope they fix it. I really like this pistol…
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Has anyone had this issue RESOLVED by S&W?
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My MP 2 10mm is entirely factory built, and I did not make any attempt to modify, replace or adjust any parts.
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I only ask because sone people have noted problems feeding resolved with a heavier recoil spring.
I decided to use a Wolff 22# recoil spring in my 4.6. I’m a couple hundred in with perfect function so far.
I haven’t tried the really heavy BB or Underwood hardcast yet. I suspect if a pistol is going to have an issue, it’s with these loads.
But I’m running full power 180 gr handloads without a problem.
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I only ask because sone people have noted problems feeding relived with a heavier recoil spring.
I decided to use a Wolff 22# recoil spring in my 4.6. I’m a couple hundred in with perfect function so far.
I haven’t tried the really heavy BB or Underwood hardcast yet. I suspect if a pistol is going to have an issue, it’s with these loads.
But I’m running full power 180 gr handloads without a problem.
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That spring is made for the 45ACP correct? Or did you use a different spring?
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That spring is made for the 45ACP correct? Or did you use a different spring?
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Correct, it is the Wolff M&P 45 guide rod and 22# extra power recoil spring.
I purchased the Wolff uncaptured guide rod and several different springs, all heavier than da Tory, when my gun was on the way to my FFL. I was planning from day one to try out different recoil springs.
The Wolff guide rod drops tight in, and since the springs are in sorted, it’s quick and easy to change recoil springs.
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Has anyone had this issue RESOLVED by S&W?
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So far, from everything I read here , or on Reddit, the answer is No.
Not even close.
Seems like a design flaw that cannot be fixed.
PS- just in case you thought off trying, don't do a thing yourself to try to fix, or they will make it YOUR problem.
There seems no fix at this point. Even by S&W.
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So far, from everything I read here , or on Reddit, the answer is No.
Not even close.
Seems like a design flaw that cannot be fixed.
PS- just in case you thought off trying, don't do a thing yourself to try to fix, or they will make it YOUR problem.
There seems no fix at this point. Even by S&W.
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I think it's very likely the design flaw is an underpowered recoil. spring. A stronger recoil spring seems to improve performance significantly with hotter ammo. I'm not saying it's the end all solution, because my personal sample size is 1. But among other M&P 10 owners on the internet, the common thread among all the users not reporting issues is using a recoil spring heavier than the factory shipped spring.
Their still could be issues, but I don't necessarily think it's a fundamental problem with the overall design, although it's possible the frame simply flexes too much for the very hottest 10mm loads.
I've swapped recoil springs and my 4.6" is happily chugging along with hot 180 gr loads without a problem. Maybe this changes when I jump up to hot 200 gr hardcast.
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Rule of thumb - Don't buy newly introduced firearm until it's been in production for at least 1 year .
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Has anyone thought of using a spacer in the magazine to increase spring pressure? I would be willing to sacrifice a round or two if it meant the pistol would function properly.. I saw some of the Gen 3 G20 guys did that using a .460 Rowland spring. I wonder if we could do something similar for these pistols.
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Rule of thumb - Don't buy newly introduced firearm until it's been in production for at least 1 year .
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In a perfect world nobody should buy the first edition of anything. But someone has to do it. If nobody did they’d never be able to develop a good product!
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Yes, on the FTF photos forwarded to Smith, I provided the ammunition detail for their review. I also test fired all of the same ammunition lots through my old Gen. 2 Glock model 20 and experienced no issues whatsoever.
The following is a list of ammunition with which my MP 2 routinely failed to function:
Fiocchi 180 gr. FMJ rated @1250 FPS
Underwood 200 gr. Hard Cast rated @1250 FPS
Hornady 10mm Auto 180 Grain XTP rated @1275 FPS
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On the 10mm’s energy curve, the Fiocchi and Hornady 180grn 10mm ammo @ 1250fps are mid- to upper mid-range loads. Full-power would be 1300-1350fps for that bullet-weight.
So, if the M&Ps won’t run hitch-free on mid-range 10mm factory ammo, you can forget expecting them to digest the high-performance stuff.
All three of my Glock 10mms have had NO issues firing mid-range, upper-mid range, and full-power ammo, not to mention handloads of similar power.
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Agree.
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As an aside, Underwood and Buffalo Bore ammunition is very commonly used in woods-carry handguns in the northern Rockies.
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And, maybe especially, in Alaska where full-throttle (i.e., “real”) 10mm ammo is kept stocked in relative abundance on the shelves of any retail outfit selling ammo up there, which includes grocery stores in some places.
And ditto for Double Tap’s 10mm ammo.
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In a perfect world nobody should buy the first edition of anything. But someone has to do it. If nobody did they’d never be able to develop a good product!
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Exactly. It makes no sense. If every time a gun maker released a new design no one bought them, they'd consider that design a failure and stop making them.
For me, the better rule of thumb is am I buying a gun because I'm interested in it or am I buying a gun because I NEED it.
If the latter, I would personally always stick to a design that, in the configuration being offered, has been on the market for a while and has developed a reputation for consistency in QC.
I bought the M&P 10 because I was interested in it. I've also been willing to make some modifications. I had no expectation that S&W would get it 100% right out of the box across all the guns released on the first shot. That's not how it works in 2022.
I know that many people still have the idea that gun makers shouldn't ship a design until they're completely certain the design is 100% good to go. That's not how the world works anymore.
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On the 10mm’s energy curve, the Fiocchi and Hornady 180grn 10mm ammo @ 1250fps are mid- to upper mid-range loads. Full-power would be 1300-1350fps for that bullet-weight.
So, if the M&Ps won’t run hitch-free on mid-range 10mm factory ammo, you can forget expecting them to digest the high-performance stuff.
All three of my Glock 10mms have had NO issues firing mid-range, upper-mid range, and full-power ammo, not to mention handloads of similar power.
Agree.
And, maybe especially, in Alaska where full-throttle (i.e., “real”) 10mm ammo is kept stocked in relative abundance on the shelves of any retail outfit selling ammo up there, which includes grocery stores in some places.
And ditto for Double Tap’s 10mm ammo.
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What barrel length pistol are you basing your velocity numbers for the various tiers of 10mm power?
I ask out of curiosity because loading 180 gr JHP in new starline brass I went up to book max with Blue Dot and got nowhere near 1300 fps. A bit over 1200 out of the M&P 4.6" barrel was it, and for the bullet I was testing by far the best accuracy was a few tenths below book max at 1200 fps.
I don't really think I could even get 1300 fps out of Blue Dot. I was running every load over a LabRadar, and as I approached the max charge the increase in velocity with each increase of .3 gr of powder was very small.
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What barrel length pistol are you basing your velocity numbers for the various tiers of 10mm power?
I ask out of curiosity because loading 180 gr JHP in new starline brass I went up to book max with Blue Dot and got nowhere near 1300 fps. A bit over 1200 out of the M&P 4.6" barrel was it, and for the bullet I was testing by far the best accuracy was a few tenths below book max at 1200 fps.
I don't really think I could even get 1300 fps out of Blue Dot. I was running every load over a LabRadar, and as I approached the max charge the increase in velocity with each increase of .3 gr of powder was very small.
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Maybe that's why there is a 6" Glock 10mm, with aftermarket barrels up to 9" (that I have seen)
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Same problem, both my 4" and my buddies 4.6".
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Welp, that answers my question. I was gonna post and ask if Smith has a longslide model coming out. 5.5" barrel, like the MP9 2.0 that I EDC.
Now I guess I'll wait until Smith sorts this issue out. Many carry a 10mm for dangerous game backup. For me that would be Texas hogs. It must cycle reliably.
BTW, I don't see any barrel length other than 4.6" on Smith's website. Perhaps I overlooked it.
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Being a 10MM fan and Smith loyalist I have been waiting for this 10MM for years. I used to be one of the first to buy, remember 356 S&W? I was right there. Now I wait and see. When Smith or someone here states the problem is solved I will buy one. In the mean time has anyone tried the new Sig X10?
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The Sig X10 looks good.
10mm new releases seem to have more than their share of issues, hopefully Sig hasn't rushed this one to market.
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I was able to shoot an early release sample and was very impressed, but my round count was small and the ammo was lower end Freedom rounds. My rep said the factory prototypes had been developed with full power rounds, and had performed well. Given the amount of issues being reported I am wondering what has happened with the production release.
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Just adding my .02 on this thread. I picked up one of the M&P 2.0 10mm's (4" barrel) at my LGS over the weekend. I always test anything I buy there at their range before bringing it home. I ran 200rds of range ammo through it with no problem, and then ran 10 rounds of Doubletap 165 gr. Golden Saber (1425 fps in 4.5" barrel). Had no issues. I don't usually shoot the heavier rounds like everyone is talking about here, but I may try a few and report back if I see issues. The one thing I noticed when just checking it out in the store was that the spring feels pretty soft for a 10mm. As you can see from my member ID, I'm kinda a fan of the 10mm, and currently own a few. With every 10mm I've ever owned, I always change the spring to fit the load. I think the factory springs are "for the masses" who shoot primarily range ammo or the typical "weak" 10mm loads. I'll definitely get a spring kit for this one and dial it in like I have with all my 10mm firearms. I reload for my 10mm stuff, so my practice ammo is usually close to my carry ammo. I didn't buy this one to carry, but I like the feel of it a lot, and may get a holster for it in case I change my mind. If I carry a 10mm, it's a custom 1911 I had built by Dave Severns (Dan Wesson Razorback with a bobtail). I happened to be carrying it when I bought this M&P one, and shot my carry ammo through the new one to see how it handled it. With summer here in Florida, I'll likely switch to carrying my Springfield Hellcat til the cooler weather comes back and cover shirts aren't unbearable LOL. Anyway, I'll have to see if I can figure out what spring weight Smith & Wesson is using stock, and increment up from there til I find that "sweet spot" where the slide just works smoothly and the recoil is more of a "roll" than a punch.
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I have just received an email advising me that my MP 2 10mm is on its way back to me from Smith’s repair shop. I will certainly report on what they did and did not do once it is in hand.
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Fondled the new XD in 10mm, which speaks to me more so than the M&P offerings. Prefer the 1xx6 feel to the M&P feel I guess.
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CP 38 - Have you tested your recently returned pistol yet?
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The following tasks were listed on a S and W work order that accompanied my returned firearm:
Evaluate/Repair
Replace Extractor
Polish Barrel/Chamber
Passed Range Test
The feed ramp has undergone a significant reshaping and was also polished baby-butt smooth (see photo).
I fired 50rds of Fiocchi 180 gr. FMJ, 40rds of Underwood 200 gr. HCFN and 50rds of Sellier and Bellot 180 gr. FMJ during today’s range session. I had only one FTF with an Underwood round and one Sellier and Bellot round (range ammo) that did not go completely into battery. Because I believe that I may have limp-wristed the preceding Underwood FTF round, I am feeling a lot better about the woods carry reliability of my MP 2 10mm. After I get 500 rounds or so through this guy, I’ll come back to this thread and provide a more detailed report. Oh by the way, the paper punching accuracy of this pistol is excellent.
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4" 10MM RMR and FTF Issues
I have a 4" 10MM Model that has been sent back to S&W just last week for these FTF issues that are being discussed. In my case, it didn't matter what ammo was used. S&B 180gr FMJ to LAX 180gr FMJ to Fiocchi 180gr JHP to Winchester Defender 180gr JHP. Anything and everything would have a FTF at some point. The hotter JHP loads more than the others. 250-300rds thru it. I also used the "CORE" RMR Mounting solution provided in the box to mount a SwampFox Justice to it. After coming loose twice, the mounting plate posts sheared into my Optic, and the RH slide mount screw decided to finally shear and leave itself in the slide. At that point it went back to SW. Awaiting a result from them currently. Every other SW MP that I have (Shield Plus x2, M2.0 40C, MP15) have been nearly flawless in appearance and operation. This 10MM though has been one thing after another. Can only hope they make it right. They are moving their operation to my city (Maryville, TN) soon.
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I have a 4" 10MM Model that has been sent back to S&W just last week for these FTF issues that are being discussed. In my case, it didn't matter what ammo was used. S&B 180gr FMJ to LAX 180gr FMJ to Fiocchi 180gr JHP to Winchester Defender 180gr JHP. Anything and everything would have a FTF at some point. The hotter JHP loads more than the others. 250-300rds thru it. I also used the "CORE" RMR Mounting solution provided in the box to mount a SwampFox Justice to it. After coming loose twice, the mounting plate posts sheared into my Optic, and the RH slide mount screw decided to finally shear and leave itself in the slide. At that point it went back to SW. Awaiting a result from them currently. Every other SW MP that I have (Shield Plus x2, M2.0 40C, MP15) have been nearly flawless in appearance and operation. This 10MM though has been one thing after another. Can only hope they make it right. They are moving their operation to my city (Maryville, TN) soon.
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Thanks for sharing, keep us posted.
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11-22-2022, 03:41 PM
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I want to share the conclusion of this saga with the board. I sent my M and P 2.0 compact 10mm pistol back to Smith and Wesson THREE (3) times for them to repair the chronic failure to feed issues that I had been experiencing with it. They were unable to correct the reliability problems with this pistol and my request to replace it with a functioning firearm went unanswered. To make matters worse, the occurrence of light primer strikes was also increasing with use. In my “opinion”, the root problem is that the compact chassis lacks sufficient rigidity to accommodate full-house 10 mm loads. Again-just my opinion.
In any event, I went to a local LGS and disclosed the issues and history of this pistol, which resulted in
the inevitable haircut on the trade in value. However, I still wanted to retire my old Glock gen 2 model 20, so I purchased a Springfield XD Elite 4.5” barreled 10mm. Clearly the Springfield is not a compact, but I have put north of 250 rounds of full-house 10mm through it without experiencing any issues whatsoever and for my woods carry purposes it works just fine.
A 10mm M and P pistol that works as advertised:
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11-23-2022, 12:41 AM
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Sorry you had that experience. Still hoping S&W will make some acknowledgement of their missteps with this gun.
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11-28-2022, 02:57 PM
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I've now sent my M&P 4.6" 10MM back to Smith and Wesson three times. Three different RMA numbers. My first two trips back I included pictures. This last trip back I didn't include any pictures. Funny enough this time they simply said they range tested the gun and were unable to replicate the issue.
I don't know what else to do at this point. There seems to be some type of issue with the pistol itself. I've tried the home remedies of the Wolff .45 ACP Guide Rod and springs (both 22lbs and 24lbs), a new third magazine, and even aftermarket heavier magazine springs. No luck. I continue to get failure to feed issues just like at the top of this post.
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11-28-2022, 04:54 PM
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Find a way to go up the ladder.
Keep your communications to the point and factual with zero emotion.
Yes, they should be told to go perform an impossible act. Resist temptation.
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11-28-2022, 05:36 PM
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4th and long - you gonna punt anytime soon?
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11-28-2022, 06:28 PM
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I have no doubt that Smith and Wesson’s senior leadership is fully aware of the functional issues with the M and P 10mm Compact. I don’t know how this will end, but as this debacle continues to unfold we will all have a front row seat through the internet to be able to judge Smith and Wesson’s true business ethics. They need to step up and acknowledge the problem and then fix it for their customers. Attempting to hide the ball will not end well for them…
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11-29-2022, 12:38 PM
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Attempting to hide the ball will not end well for them…
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Unfortunately, it might. None of the big-name reviewers have really called S&W out on this yet, as far as I've seen. And S&W might have even tweaked the design by now, who knows. It's frustrating, but they might get away with it.
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11-29-2022, 01:13 PM
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Magazines are hesitant to give real criticism on any gun...the gun makers advertise in those publications and risking losing ad revenue is large on their minds. Usually if you see tepid reviews it's kind of code for saying the piece was disappointing without actually calling it a piece of ****.
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11-29-2022, 01:23 PM
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Unfortunately, it might. None of the big-name reviewers have really called S&W out on this yet, as far as I've seen. And S&W might have even tweaked the design by now, who knows. It's frustrating, but they might get away with it.
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Yeah, Hickok 45, Sootch, MAC, Mrgunsngear, they all seemed to get hand-picked M&Ps, and had maybe one hiccup, or one mag drop, which was explained away as a big ol’ thumb hitting the mag release by accident.
They all had exemplary XTens, too.
Yet. While listening to the Wilson Combat YouTube channel, Bill Wilson stated that for every 100 9mm pistols he sold, maybe one came back for a tweak. He also said out of every 5 10mm he sold, also ONE came back for issues.
And he reiterated that it’s a high intensity finicky cartridge, and you get it tuned in for one load and it may not work so well with others.
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11-29-2022, 04:22 PM
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Maybe S&W knows there is a problem, but they have been unable to figure out the fix for it, so they are playing dumb until someone can nail it down??
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11-29-2022, 10:17 PM
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Maybe S&W knows there is a problem, but they have been unable to figure out the fix for it, so they are playing dumb until someone can nail it down??
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Their customer service representatives who answer the phones are aware at least. The last one I spoke to, I specifically asked him if they had had any issues with the 10MM pistols and he said "Nope, this is the first time I've heard of this". He then proceeded to ask me if I was shooting hot 10MM ammo such as Buffalo Bore or Underwood.
You tell me how someone who has no knowledge of the failure to feed issue and hasn't heard of it, somehow knows exactly what loads have been one of the main culprits of issues? Like I mentioned I've had my 4.6" back three times, yes THREE times and the failure to feed issue is still not resolved. And for the record I was not using either Buffalo Bore or Underwood, but rather SIG 180gr. FMJ range ammo.
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11-29-2022, 11:17 PM
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I purchased my 4" in March after shooting my buddies 4 5/8" that I liked very much. I love the ergonomics. We both started developing failure to feed issues and sent them back. They both came back with a note that the ramp was polished. I was skeptical, but it does seem a lot better.
Last week I had what I thought were several light primer strikes. I then realized that it wasn't going fully into battery. In fact, if I point it upward, the spring is not strong enough to get it into battery.
I called S&W last week and told them about the issue and that I had read it may be under sprung. They told me that the guns are now shipping with a different recoil spring/control rod assembly and were going to send me one. Unfortunately, they sent me one for the 4 5/8" barrel. The label says it's the assembly for the M&P 45. I'm assuming it's stronger.
Anyway, after calling back yesterday, I received a voicemail today that they are sending me the correct one. I'm guessing it's the M&P Compact 45 assembly. Fingers crossed that this fixes the problem.
Also, I've only shot target ammo and some HSM Bear Load ammo. Nothing crazy. I'm a bit annoyed that I've spent more on ammo trying to get this gun to work than I spent on the gun itself. Hopefully this takes care of things and I can start playing with some hotter stuff. I do really like it, but it needs to go bang.
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Rule of thumb - Don't buy newly introduced firearm until it's been in production for at least 1 year .
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Boy, have I learned this lesson lately. Sometimes I was lucky (S&W CSX, Beretta APX A1 Carry, Taurus TX22) and sometimes not (S&W 380EZ, Ruger LCP Max)
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