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I now many have jumped in to the AR10 platforms over the past couple of years.. Now it's my turn..

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1 What were your top 2 or 3 other choices before you bought S&W? Why did you choose S&W over them?

1. Is it true there s no Mil spec AR 10 like an AR 15 so building one from parts isn't really possible?

2. Is the Ruger SR762 something worth considering? The design seems sound. What would be the draw back?

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Whatever AR10 platform you decide to go with, make sure it's a LR308/SR25 compatible model. There is more parts out there for them than any other form factor.

I chose the S&W M&P10 over the Armalite AR10 for that reason. Price wise, they were about the same. I also was looking at an M1A but there was something about it I didn't like but couldn't put my finger on what it was. Again, same price as the other two.
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OK I see this sub forum gets lots of viewers
I am seriously considering the Ruger SR762..
Someone talk me out of it.. why not?
And talk me into the S&W.. why?

As you can see I am a big SW fan.. but these $1500- $2000 rifles require scrutiny and a good reason to buy them before shelling out the Benjamin's.
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I am seriously considering the Ruger SR762..
Someone talk me out of it.. why not?
And talk me into the S&W.. why?

As you can see I am a big SW fan.. but these $1500- $2000 rifles require scrutiny and a good reason to buy them before shelling out the Benjamin's.
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You are correct in your assertion that the AR10 is not mil spec. Down the road that may change since the military has adopted the AR10 style and designated it as the Mk110.

Basically, you have two varieties that I can isolate, the DPMS pattern and the AR10/SR25 pattern. You can build an AR10 from parts, but you have to choose which pattern you want to follow, and maybe kick yourself in the back side when a new twist comes along, and it doesn't fit the pattern you chose.

I have 4 AR15s, and toying with building a fifth, but at this point in time, I wouldn't make a move on an AR10. For 308s, I will stick with my Remington 700 Varmints, my M1MkII, or my M1A.

If you are looking at a gas semi-auto 308, I would first consider an M1A, followed by building an M1MkII! The M1A can easily mount a scope, if tuned properly, and can be extremely accurate, and it has a tremendous intimidation factor. The downside to the M1A and the M1MkII, is that the bedding has to be maintained by skimming at the minimum, or redone after a while. Additionally, to replace the barrel on an M1A or M1MkII, you need a competent gunsmith with the proper tools and access to a lathe, which increases maintenance costs and turn around time.

Before you either jump in over your head, or turn your back on an AR10 pattern rifle, you need to decide exactly what you want it for, and what level of performance you are expecting from it.
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You are correct in your assertion that the AR10 is not mil spec. Down the road that may change since the military has adopted the AR10 style and designated it as the Mk110.

Basically, you have two varieties that I can isolate, the DPMS pattern and the AR10/SR25 pattern. You can build an AR10 from parts, but you have to choose which pattern you want to follow, and maybe kick yourself in the back side when a new twist comes along, and it doesn't fit the pattern you chose.

I have 4 AR15s, and toying with building a fifth, but at this point in time, I wouldn't make a move on an AR10. For 308s, I will stick with my Remington 700 Varmints, my M1MkII, or my M1A.

If you are looking at a gas semi-auto 308, I would first consider an M1A, followed by building an M1MkII! The M1A can easily mount a scope, if tuned properly, and can be extremely accurate, and it has a tremendous intimidation factor. The downside to the M1A and the M1MkII, is that the bedding has to be maintained by skimming at the minimum, or redone after a while. Additionally, to replace the barrel on an M1A or M1MkII, you need a competent gunsmith with the proper tools and access to a lathe, which increases maintenance costs and turn around time.

Before you either jump in over your head, or turn your back on an AR10 pattern rifle, you need to decide exactly what you want it for, and what level of performance you are expecting from it.
The M1A is an intimidating semi auto in 308. I like the fact that's it's at least in some way derived from the the M1A & M14. I would use this for long range plinking/ fun. It's not a bad gun to have if civilization goes sideways...although it certainly not why I want one. I just like guns and having lots of them of various shapes and sizes is something I like to do. I have AR 15s and I built my 1st one from parts last year. It was a lot of fun. Now it's time to look at the big brother from the 5.56 x 45 to ..the 7.62 x 51. I also have some Ak 47s, shot guns, hunting rifles and a lot of handguns that are used for fun, and for SD. many. many are just for fun/ enjoyment. I dabble at gun smithing/ trigger enhancement. So when you ask what my purpose is for a semi auto 308..basically because I want one and will have fun with it. I like the Ruger only because they built a rifle that was not just an AR 15 on steroids. They did some unique engineering to it. But I am not sold on buying one. The M1A is a little expensive for plinking/ enjoyment but it would be very cool to have. I would prefer to build my own.. and probably will eventually...but will buy a brand name gun as first. I bought AR15s 1st before finally building one. Which brings me back to my original question. Thanks for the input on the 2 main platform types. I will pursue the AR10/SR25 pattern
A SW or a Ruger? Your response was neither..and I can appreciate that. I personally don't think S&Ws strong suit is rifles but everyone is making AR15s.. theirs is not a bad variant. .I have a lot...as in many many SW handguns...so I am not a SW basher.
Anyway one last question.. the M1MKII..I searched for that and couldn't find it in any searches..just what is it? Made by ??
I may have talked myself into the M1A as I am typing this and looking at it some more...
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For me I was down to either the Ruger or the S&W. I ended up going with the S&W because I wanted the 18" barrel and the lighter weight. But the Ruger is a very good choice. If you're ok with or even prefer the 16" barrel, or if you want a piston driven gun then I'd say go with the Ruger. If you'd prefer direct gas impingement, lighter weight and a longer barrel then the S&W is the better choice.

I know this isn't much help, but honestly I don't think you can go wrong with either rifle. They're both quality products. Good luck with your decision. You'll enjoy the hell out of either rifle, I have no doubt!
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@ Mike,

When I asked what you wanted your AR10 type for, I was meaning what type of mission you want it to fulfill. In my instance, the primary mission for all of my rifles is: long range precision competition (i.e.: 1000 yard matches), secondary mission being hunting (where legal), and tertiary being a SHTF go to rifle. For my desire, I would require (at a minimum) a 24" barrel, preferably a 26". Different missions require different characteristics. For example: I have my Colt HBAR as a NRA Service Rifle, my 24" AR was built as an NRA Match Rifle for NMC matches, my 26" barrel AR is the basis for a 1000 yard rifle, and my 18" AR is for plinking, introducing my children to the AR, and for CQB home defense.

An M1MkII is a converted M1 Garand. In the late '50s and early '60s, while the USMC had adopted the M14, the Navy had mounds of M80 and M118, plus a burgeoning supply of M1 Garands. The Navy inserted an adapter disk into 30M1 barrels, allowing the Garands to fire the 7.62 NATO round. These Garands were designated M1MkII, and were inventoried aboard ships, mostly subs. The downside to the Navy modification is that the adapter disk would sometimes eject with a fired round, going back to 30M1. The Navy Marksmanship Unit capitalized on the conceptual idea, and built their National Match Service Rifles out of M1 Garands rebarreled with match grade barrels with true 308/7.62 NATO match chambers. (I have two Garands, an early Springfield still in 30M1, and a Korean War vintage Harrington and Richardson converted to 308. I find that the 308 Garand is easier to fire in rapid fire stages than the 30M1 Garand.)

The conversion to an M1MkII is actually easy and cost effective. For the first few years that I shot my M1MkII, I never had the mag well block, so all it took was the cost of a Kreiger M1 barrel, and having the chamber cut with a 308 reamer.

I didn't offer a suggestion either way between a Ruger or a S&W for two reasons. First, I am not familiar with either specific product, and second, neither offers a variant that comes close to meeting my personal mission parameters.
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Hello,
To begin with I have had my MP10 for a couple months now and have come to love it. Couple issues out of the box but no problems since.
I was looking for one gun to check all the boxes:
>the ability to shoot 600m
>the ability to take elk
>cartridge availability
>ability to upgrade
>ease of maintenance
The above can be done with most any weapon with enough mods, patience and money. I wanted ease.
After much thought .308 was the proper cartridge for my needs. As I was looking for distance and punch anything shorter than 18" was excluded. That dropped the Ruger out (and I have heard a few times the trigger is garbage).
I have never owned an AR platform and have often found them a bit Cliché. So I looked at the M1A Scout Squad. I have actually fired these before and have always thought they would be a cool "other gun". I do not like the mag interface. Slow and clunky. I also don't like the fact that I would have dumped a ton of cash in upgrades to get where I wanted. Also, the action, while proven seems a bit overly complicated with a lot of moving parts. Besides, would the military have made the switch if there were no shortcomings?
I looked at the FNAR but the limited aftermarket and weight shut that down. Also too many moving parts that may be hard to come by in a worst case situation. Another cool "other gun".
In the end I succumbed to the AR platform. I read reviews, watched videos, fondled a few at shops and at the end of the day, dollar for dollar and all my boxes checked the M&P10 was the way to go. And I am really glad I did.
I have made some mods. Milspec stock (quieter and no slop), Houge rubber grip, Scope and I did a trigger job on it. The trigger was great out of the box but I wanted to tinker (how I get to know things) and it made a huge difference. No creep, no crunch, just a nice clean snap.
So as other posters have said, it really is up to you and your needs. What checks the boxes?
As to Ruger, I have quite a few, and like them all, but the reports of the trigger (replaceable) and cost cooled me off. I also really don't get a .308/762 with anything less than an 18" barrel. Kinda defeats the purpose of the round.
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I'll be short. Had an M1 scout and a Ruger 762. Both are sold in favor of 2 DPMS G2's and an M&P 10. The gas guns are simpler and lighter. Haven't seen any better accuracy out any of them compared to the others. Comes down to price, weight and parts. I would rather have 3 AR-10s that are similar platform then the 2 different high priced guns. I've never had any problems with any of them.
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If I were to do it all over again, I'd buy an Aero 7.62 Upper & lower and build from there. But, by no means am I getting rid of the M&P10.
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Ok thanks for all your input. I will probably go 2 directions. An M1 or Ruger and an M&P 10 or other AR10 platform. Probably will do the AR10 platform 1st then maybe next year go for the M1. Chipper, I agree that for the AR platform..gas guns are simpler and lighter. but they are also less reliable under severe conditions just like the AR 15 is compared to the AK. They are technologically better, but for a war scenario not necessarily mpre reliable...meaning they have dirty gases impinging directly on the BCG. As long as there is time to keep clean its superior. JMO.. and I am not at war nor do I have plans to be.. so it's just an intellectual argument for my use personally. I digressed...alot Anyway I will do what I have done all my gun collecting life when I have a quandary like this.Get both... then sell the one I don't like IF that happens. Sometimes it does.. other times I still have both. A simple example would be a 10mm pistol vs a .45ACP.. I just bought them both and still like both and keep both. Again thanks for your input.. when I acquire one I will post pics.
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Considering that you are in NE Ohio, I would suggest that you might make a run to Port Clinton and stop by the CMP store and look at their selection of Garands. You might also take a ride past the ranges. It is a great place to visit!
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Mbliss57, your basic premise on the AK vs AR is pretty much correct. However, the M1 isn't as robust. It has a mud problem because of how the system is setup. The action jambs if mud gets into it.
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Well just to circle back here guys I found a Ruger SR762 at a very good price $1625 delivered including shipping and transfer fees. My LGS that usually gives me decent pricing wanted almost $1900 OTD. That's when I went internet searching. I Plan to take it for a spin this weekend or next, week. Any optic that I should consider for shooting target out to 400-500 yards. 400 is there more probable based on real-estate.
Thanks for your help. Ammo is on its way. 168gr HPBT
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Not a bad price. The 7.62/.308 ARs have pretty much stayed rock solid on the selling price. That is about what I paid for my M&P10.

As far as the scope, it depends. Opinions will vary on which one to get. I wouldn't go less than mid grade (Nikon, Weaver, Vortex). It also depends on whether you want a standard reticule, quick dial turrents, or a BDC. It's all going to be personal opinion and there are many of them out there. I went with the Nikon M-308 which is designed specifically for an AR shooting 168 grain .308 Winchester rounds.
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I have to second sgtsandman's comments on the glass. Until my accident in '07 that left me disabled, I was an iron sight shooter. Things have now changed. I shoot F class matches, and scopes are the norm.

On my F Open 7mm Remington Magnum, I have mounted a Viper Vortex scope. On my AR F T/R, I have an older Weaver T10. On my 2 600 yard and under Remington 700s, I have a Weaver T10 and a Weaver T16. The biggest factor when it comes to glass, is what your wallet can handle.
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AR10 is not a platform or a type. It is a registered trademark for an Armalite rifle. Using it as a generic for any MSR in .308 is a violation of Armalite's rights, and could lead to legal action.
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Same as using "Kleenex" for any facial tissue, but I'm pretty sure they're not suing anybody but people who make, market and sell tissue.

My AR10 is a DPMS Oracle ATAC, which I bought because my AR15 is a DPMS Oracle which I was very pleased with. The AR10 has performed equally well. No malfunctions to speak of, and the fit and finish is very nice. I'm not a long range shooter or a hunter, and I'm primarily interested in those rifles for their intended purpose, which is self and home defense. Can't go wrong with DPMS, IMHO . . .
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To the OP, Gamecock is technically correct. In certain circles, a fight of some sort will break out similar to calling a magazine a clip.

The M&P10 is more of an LR308/SR25 format than an AR10. The problem is that most of these rifles made by the various companies have something proprietary about them and they do not follow a set format like the AR15 does. So calling it any of those names is technically incorrect but if you are going to use one the DPMS format or LR308 format would be the closest to correct. Also, when it comes to getting parts and accessories, the DPMS, LR308, SR25 format is what you'll be looking for. AR10 stuff, to the most part, will not fit. Even then, some stuff you will need to pay attention to. For example, the rail height on the M&P10 follows only one of the LR308 formats set by DPMS, low or high but off hand, I can't remember which one it is. One of the hand guard threads will answer that question.
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Muss Muggins, you can be as casual as you like, as it won't be you who is sued, it will be the Smith & Wesson Collectors Association.
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This thread was not starte to argue about nomenclature or the name of this sub forum. If you don't like it take it up with the Mods or administrator. It's a generic name. Ar15 also stands for Armlite... I don't think anyone is getting sued any time soon.
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Well I finally got a chance to take my new Ruger SR 762 out as well as my kit AR 15 and my Arsenal AK47. The .308 is just a boss round. I was shooting 168gr HPBT. The rifle jammed after the 1st 7 or 8 rounds. Then again a few rounds later. I turned up the piston pressure setting from 2 to 3 and it was flawless the rest of the afternoon. Compared to an AR15 you definitely know you have been shooting after awhile. I had a great time. Just used the iron sights..I was not there to zero and sight them in. Just get used to them. I did the same with my new Arsenal. The AR15 kit gun shoots exceptionally well. It has a SPARC II red dot and is zeroed at 100 yards.
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Well I finally got a chance to take my new Ruger SR 762 out as well as my kit AR 15 and my Arsenal AK47. The .308 is just a boss round. I was shooting 168gr HPBT. The rifle jammed after the 1st 7 or 8 rounds. Then again a few rounds later. I turned up the piston pressure setting from 2 to 3 and it was flawless the rest of the afternoon. Compared to an AR15 you definitely know you have been shooting after awhile. I had a great time. Just used the iron sights..I was not there to zero and sight them in. Just get used to them. I did the same with my new Arsenal. The AR15 kit gun shoots exceptionally well. It has a SPARC II red dot and is zeroed at 100 yards.
If the recoil is bothersome, you might want to get a flash suppressor similar to what the M&P10 has with some muzzle brake qualities to it or go with a pure muzzle brake. I have one on my bolt rifle and it made a huge difference but the bolt gun doesn't use any of the gasses to work the action like a semi-auto does, so it has a bit more kick to it.
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For [expletive deleted] sake, will you two get a room and leave the rest of us alone? This has nothing to do with what mbliss57 was posting about.
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When I went looking for an AR style .308, to accompany my M-1A SOCOM, I selected Windham Weaponry's R16SFST model. It had great reviews (and not just from gun rag shills). Now GTG with 12 loaded magazines.
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Knights Armament SR-25 in its various configurations is probably the best available 7.62 AR-10 configuration rifle if somewhat pricey. Larue and LMT are also well liked but not as pricey as the SR-25. There is not much to choose from the rest.
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[QUOTE=mbliss57;139022759]Well I finally got a chance to take my new Ruger SR 762 out . The .308 is just a boss round. I was shooting 168gr HPBT. The rifle jammed after the 1st 7 or 8 rounds. Then again a few rounds later. I turned up the piston pressure setting from 2 to 3 and it was flawless the rest of the afternoon. Compared to an AR15 you definitely know you have been shooting after awhile. QUOTE]

I had the same issues with mine and cranked it up to the 3rd notch using the same ammo. It "seems" to be getting better with time and more reliable in the second setting. However, it still doesn't like the lighter grain (147) ammo and I have to stay on the 3rd setting with those. I'm hoping with time and more shooting it will quit being finicky with any ammo. It IS a great shooter when it's working right.

I also have a Colt 901, CRL-20 and an S&W AR-10, have had zero issues with any of them shooting anything.

You're also right about definitely knowing you've been shooting something with any of them in 308.
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Actually the AR-10 is indeed mil spec. Just not US mil spec. The AR-10 was produced in Holland for the Portugese and Sudanese militaries to some standard.
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This is great advise. The Aero M5 is a great product. If you go Aero make sure you buy their take down and pivot pins and their bolt catch, these are Aero specific. Almost everything else is AR15 parts.
Hey guys was looking hard at m&p10 so I jumped on here reading threads. When come across this one I looked up areo and man they have some good looking parts anyway anyone got any info on their complete upper and complete lower. And how it compares to m&p10.
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I have a bushmaster ORC 308 . It is on the DPMS pattern and parts are interchangeable . It weighs 71/2 pounds has a 18 inch medium weight barrel. It has been flawless in shooting it! And cost about 1200 out the door .


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The AR 10 is indeed mil spec, just not US mil spec. These rifles were used by the Portugese military in the 70's.
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I did a ton of research and for the amount I was wanting to spend the M&P 10 fit the bill best. Plus for me the other deciding factor was the fact I had purchased an M&P 15 which I'm really happy with. So figured another M&P would not hurt!
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Since M1A's have been mentioned, what about FALs or G3 clones?
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I prefer the DPMS SASS. Accuracy and function surpassed the SR-25 I used to shoot. I saw know benefit in SR 25, the Ruger is a ruger- I do not care for their rifles other than 10-22's. I have used DPMS shortyly after they came into being in 1985 and have been impressed with, accuracy, function, longevity, that said I could not bring myself to buy a S&W or Armalite when it came time to pull the trigger. I have since shot both SW and Arm. and the function and feel was excellent, I did not test accuracy beyond 500 in SW & Arm so I can not comment. The SASS will take you take you to 1000 yds and beyond. All 3 are great, I would go SASS since it has what I would do right from the factory, saves me build time which allows for more shooting time. Be Safe,
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I picked up a Daniel Defense DD5 recently - and have been impressed with the entire package. It's not cheap, but it's the nicest AR308 package I own by a wide margin.
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I have recently entered the 308 win. rife shooting, I started with the Ruger 308 Scout rifle I like the the length, the action,it shoots to point of aim with iron sight.

Last month I sprung for a semi-auto 308 DPMS Oracle all I have done to it is put Iron sight on it and at 100 yards I can tear the center out of a man size target.

I buy guns I want to shoot, I wanted to try a 308 and found two rifles that looked like they would be fun to shoot and I was right.
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When I asked what you wanted your AR10 type for, I was meaning what type of mission you want it to fulfill. In my instance, the primary mission for all of my rifles is: long range precision competition (i.e.: 1000 yard matches), secondary mission being hunting (where legal), and tertiary being a SHTF go to rifle. For my desire, I would require (at a minimum) a 24" barrel, preferably a 26". Different missions require different characteristics. For example: I have my Colt HBAR as a NRA Service Rifle, my 24" AR was built as an NRA Match Rifle for NMC matches, my 26" barrel AR is the basis for a 1000 yard rifle, and my 18" AR is for plinking, introducing my children to the AR, and for CQB home defense.

An M1MkII is a converted M1 Garand. In the late '50s and early '60s, while the USMC had adopted the M14, the Navy had mounds of M80 and M118, plus a burgeoning supply of M1 Garands. The Navy inserted an adapter disk into 30M1 barrels, allowing the Garands to fire the 7.62 NATO round. These Garands were designated M1MkII, and were inventoried aboard ships, mostly subs. The downside to the Navy modification is that the adapter disk would sometimes eject with a fired round, going back to 30M1. The Navy Marksmanship Unit capitalized on the conceptual idea, and built their National Match Service Rifles out of M1 Garands rebarreled with match grade barrels with true 308/7.62 NATO match chambers. (I have two Garands, an early Springfield still in 30M1, and a Korean War vintage Harrington and Richardson converted to 308. I find that the 308 Garand is easier to fire in rapid fire stages than the 30M1 Garand.)

The conversion to an M1MkII is actually easy and cost effective. For the first few years that I shot my M1MkII, I never had the mag well block, so all it took was the cost of a Kreiger M1 barrel, and having the chamber cut with a 308 reamer.

I didn't offer a suggestion either way between a Ruger or a S&W for two reasons. First, I am not familiar with either specific product, and second, neither offers a variant that comes close to meeting my personal mission parameters.
The conversion of the Navy rifles was done with a chamber insert not a "disk". The chamber insert was coated with Locktite, inserted into the chamber and several rounds were fired to seat the chamber insert. Over time, as pointed out, the chamber inserts and the adhesive, due to age, were subject to being extracted with a fired round and ejected.

The only reliable conversion for the Garand to 7.62/.308 was with a new barrel chambered in that caliber. I am fortunate to be the care giver for an M1 that was converted to 7.62/.308 via a new Gene Barnett barrel. The rifle was match conditioned by Ronnie Morris and shoots a good as my match grade M1a. The M1a also wears a Barnett barrel and was subject to Ronnie's nod as well.

I too, find M1's covered to 7.62/.308 more manageable to shoot across the course. They are just plain "FUN!"
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If the recoil is bothersome, you might want to get a flash suppressor similar to what the M&P10 has with some muzzle brake qualities to it or go with a pure muzzle brake. I have one on my bolt rifle and it made a huge difference but the bolt gun doesn't use any of the gasses to work the action like a semi-auto does, so it has a bit more kick to it.
The Limbsaver on my MP10 is worth it's weight in gold.
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Ok I will be the Colt advocate. I picked up the 901LE which can with a magazine conversion block allow you to switch between the .308 upper and a 5.56 upper. I know it sounds a bit gimmicky but I love the rifle. I have a Colt competition model CRE 18T that I took the upper from to make my modular set up and threw on a Larue trigger. The .308 is one of my favorite ARs......here is a picture of the set up. .308 upper at the top of the pic, colt competition upper below.

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The Limbsaver on my MP10 is worth it's weight in gold.
The bolt gun is good, though I am considering a limbsaver for my .45/70. Cowboy load are fine but anything with modern powder hurts after a shot or two. Plus the 3' flame out of the 18.5" barrel is a neat thing to see with modern powder loads.
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This thread is a great read. I really like to see all this input come together with minimal bickering. Pretty rare online, these days.
Like a lot of you guys, I just wanted a 308. I was really into the M1A since I own and carry several XD pistols. My boss put me onto the M&P10 and I was pretty sold off the reviews. I called every gun store within 100 miles and nobody had one, until I got a call from the manager at my local Cabelas telling me that he found one hiding in his warehouse and was holding it for me. Haven't seen another in town since.
My idea was to have one rifle to fulfill all needs. One rifle I could pick up and go at anytime and survive with. Hunt, defend, ect. I held my baby for the first time and fell in love. After a little scope trial and error, I settled on the Nikon M-308 with a set of Magpul off sets, Magpul furniture and a hogue grip. I now feel comfortable in my ability to take food at longer range or turn 45 degrees and and CQB.
Another selling point was the price, availability and function of magazines. The Magpul 25 rounders are great.
I haven't yet been able to range out past 500 yards, but everything inside of that has been a piece of cake, and I am by no means the second coming of Chris Kyle. A 20 inch barrel would be great, but I'm not complaining.
Edit: I did lose the forward grip. Didn't need it.
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I am still overseas...which means no shooting right now... but the other day I was watching a video of Hickock 45 with a SCAR 17 and a SOCOM 16. Now I started this about A10 platforms BUT... the SCAR 17 is a rifle I would really loved to try. Of course it is in the upper crust of pricing but that thing looked amazing.
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