I picked up a M&P 15 yesterday and foolishly I didn't realize the M&P roll mark was not on the right side of the lower. I called the place where I got it, a small mom and poop place that one guy owns and operates. He told me that the newer lowers where not coming with the roll mark because there were flaking issues with the mark.

Does anyone know if this is true? The rifle seems good to go but I have not fired it yet. This is my first ar 15 and the upper is good as far as I can see. Proper rails with the proper sights. I just want to make sure I didn't get screwed on the lower. If so I am going to ask for a properly marked lower. It does have the S&W mark on the left side and it say m&p 15 in small letters. I am almost 100% for sure that the lower is S&W but I have always seen them with the roll mark on the right side where the magazine fits in.

Thank You in advance
Overall I am happy with things but this little issue is on my mind. I tried to call s&w today but they are closed as I figured they would be.

Haven't hear of that yet....suppose it could be, but it sounds a little odd.

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First of all, welcome to the forum!

I have an M&P 15 AR #811000. Is this the mark of which you speak? If so, it's more of a laser etch than a roll mark.
I got mine in July of '09 and haven't heard of any "flaking issues" but I do not frequent this section. I'm sure that one of the resident experts will be here shorty!




rags

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Thanks for the welcome.

No that area (right side) is blank. On the other side it has the S&W Mark and then in in small etch it says Model M&P 15 near the safety, above and to the left near where the upper and lower meet. Either way I am calling s&w on monday morning and seeing what they say and give them the serial number. That being said I have not seen a single M&P lower without that M&P etching on the right side of the rifle.

Edit: I feel foolish for not realizing it until after I got home with it. Everything else seems to be in order and I do know that it originated as a stripped lower and upper with everything added to make it a 15t. It was the only thing I could find in my area by s&w so I went that route. In the end I will have it resolved because the guy is a small businessman and the last thing he needs is bad word of mouth if he wants his business to survive.

Ahh OK on the laser mark. I am confusing what the rollmark is. It doesn't have a laser etch M&P on the right side. There is a roll mark on the left side it that is S&W's mark for sure.

It is that lack of M&P on the right side that has me scratching my head and searching for some answers.

Does it look like this on the left side? This would be considered a roll mark.



rags

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So you are blaming the dealer for what? You dont like how the factory made a gun that you bought?

Hi,

Welcome to the forum! It sounds like S&W just accidentally left it off of that specimen. IMHO, it does not lower the value nor raise it. Actually, it might be kind of nice not to have it there . . . for some folks get custom things engraved in that spot on their AR-15s.

Contact S&W and ask them. If they made a mistake and left it off I'm sure they would be glad to apply it to your lower for you.

Tom

I got the roll mark confused with the laser engraving, thank you for helping me out. I appreciate it.

How do you get U.S. Veteran in your name? I was a Navy Corpsman for almost 7 years.

Not blaming him on anything yet. I am just making sure what I received is legit. I have tried for 3 days to find another lower that didn't have the engraving on the right side before I finally posted on here. It concerned me that I have a lower that isn't quite what I am able to find anywhere else made by s&w. I have nothing but good things to say about the guy that I got my rifle from.

I have asked around and everyone I know has never seen a m&p lower without the M&P laser etching.

I never said I didn't like the rifle. If you could find where I said that I would love for you quote me on it. I have a concern and it isn't an out of this world concern. If I didn't like the way the factory made a rifle why would I invest the money into that rifle and then complain about it?

I am noot trying to be a jackass I am trying to figure it out to make sure it is legit. Thanks for helping though, I appreciate it.

I would prefer not to have the laser etching anyway, makes the AR look more "businesslike".

The roll mark on the left side look way cooler anyway. Who knows, there are people who collect S&W "error" marked guns, like Model 28's marked as 29's, unmarked guns,etc. Some day it might be worth double what you paid.

Thanks for the welcome and thank you for addressing my concerns. Personally, I prefer not having the etching on it. My biggest concern was that it was what it was supposed to be and that was a top notch lower receiver made by s&w. I am not overly concerned because it does have the proper roll mark ( o confused roll mark with engraving earlier, sorry.) It appears to be legit but after searching fora few days and not finding anything else like it from s&w, naturally some minor concerns popped into my head and I figured I would come to the place that people most likely knew about these rifles.

I certainly know about the rifle and spent almost 7 years as a Navy Corpsman and did all my sea duty with the USMC. So I am familiar with the M16, however, I have never owned my own ar15 and needed some direction. A rifle like this is an investment so I hope you understand my concerns.

Thanks for your help and again thanks for the welcome. I will probably be here often because I just turned down this road and I am sire I will have more questions in the future.

Calm down everyone. The man just wants to know. I kinda wish mine wasn't there. Or at least that is wasn't white. But it came like that so it is what it is. It's all good....

rags

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That is exactly my concern. To make sure it was an error like that and not an inferior lower. Again I am new here and to the ar so I don't know if they would even release something like that. I doubt it but again I am ignorant when it comes to this. Information is knowledge and the only way to gain this information is to ask around. I couldn't think of a better place to seek answers out and figured I would go to the people that most likely know a little about this model.

thanks

I am taking a pic right now and will show you guys. Thanks for trying to help me out. I completely understand that the lack of pics makes it more difficult. It would also help if I identified the right marks with the right words and I apologize for the confusion.

I am sure by now you understand but the pic will still help.

OK, sorry for not posting these earlier. Hopefully these work.





again sorry for the confusion and hopefully this helps you to better understand what I am talking about.

I have two complete S&W MP15's and two lowers, all have the laser etched MP15 on the right side, three are white and one is a barely visable. I think maybe just an oversight by S&W and it should not make a dime's worth of difference in how the rifle performs. After all it does have the S&W roll mark on the left doesn't it? Don't worry, be happy.

If you really have to have the laser etching on the right, contact S&W and see if they will take care of it for you.

Well put!

rags

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Ok I have an update.
S&W was able to tack the lower to their stock and I am more than fine with things. They offered to etch it but I declined because I actually prefer the area to be blank.

I hope that those of you understand my worries. Anything that deviates from the norm is something that should be questioned in my opinion. I lurked here for a bit and I couldn't find anything anywhere that showed a lower like mine. So yes, it was a big question mark for me and that is why I started to ask around. This was a big investment and I wanted to be sure that I got what I spent my money on.

Thank you guys for trying to help me out on this matter, it is greatly appreciated. I look forward to hanging out on these forums and it seems a lot of folks are more than willing to step up and help those that have questions.

S&W said it was most likely a mistake so I guess I have a lower that is more than operational and it doesn't have that big M&P15 etched on the side. So maybe that makes it somewhat of a collectable, who knows.

Again thank you and I will most likely have more questions in the future

Trashcanman

Oh and sorry for the confusion in regards to the roll mark and laser etch. Chalk that up to ignorance on my part and I am sorry for any confusion it may have caused.

Trashcan

Hey Trash, Now you need to change your quest to some S&W revolvers!



Old picture. Have a few more now!

rags...A fellow squid.

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That is some spread that you have there. Nice work rags.

That is just greedy! What a nice collection!

also just bought a brand new M&P15 new in box, never been fired. t does not have the White M&P engraving. ut does have the stamped M&P15 roll mark on the left side. Strange.

have the same issue on mine.

Zombie thread alert !



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No joke! I was reading intently, trying to figure out how I missed this one.

No kidding! I just read through the whole thread and then realized it's been dead for years!