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I just ordered new buffer and spring for my Sport. It was between the H2 and the Spikes ST-T2 all things being equal the Spikes looks cooler and it's quieter. I also ordered a Sprinco blue spring. My sport was throwing the brass at about the 4:00 position and chucking it a good 10 yards. I've heard that the M&P's are over gassed I'm hoping this tames it a bit. Range report to follow this weekend
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I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on it after you have a chance to shoot it with the T2 buffer.
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I use a Sprinco blue/H2/M16 BCG combo in my M&P. I don't know where the brass would land because the range I use has a screen beteen firing positions so brass doesn't hit the guy next to you.
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I use a Sprinco blue/H2/M16 BCG combo in my M&P. I don't know where the brass would land because the range I use has a screen beteen firing positions so brass doesn't hit the guy next to you.
What is the advantage of the M16 BCG other than its heavier?
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I just ordered new buffer and spring for my Sport. It was between the H2 and the Spikes ST-T2 all things being equal the Spikes looks cooler and it's quieter. I also ordered a Sprinco blue spring. My sport was throwing the brass at about the 4:00 position and chucking it a good 10 yards. I've heard that the M&P's are over gassed I'm hoping this tames it a bit. Range report to follow this weekend
I have been watching one on ebay that 3.5oz. Please let me know, most of my brass hits the deflector and flies out quite a ways.
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What is the advantage of the M16 BCG other than its heavier?
you would think because it is heavier it would require a heavier buffer also. The heavier BCG IMHO would slam back the stock buffer harder. I have also been looking at one with a hydraulic plunger that is supposed to give the fastest follow up shots, I dont remember the name but I will look it up.
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My brass ejects at 4 o clock as well. I'd get a heavier buffer but I'm running a rifle buffer and spring (due to using an m16a1 stock) Not sure what else I could do aside from an M-16 Bolt carrier to add a little weight


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you would think because it is heavier it would require a heavier buffer also. The heavier BCG IMHO would slam back the stock buffer harder. I have also been looking at one with a hydraulic plunger that is supposed to give the fastest follow up shots, I dont remember the name but I will look it up.
The heavier your moving parts are, the slower the cyclic due to Newtons Second law of motion. So if you put a heavier bcg and buffer, it takes more energy from a fired round to move them at the same speed.

So as a result the bcg doesn't slam back as hard. Downside is more weight means slower cycle time and possibility of not moving back far enough to reset trigger and pick up next round.

Ideally, you want the heaviest buffer that will reliably cycle underpowered ammo on a dirty rifle. If you use the FA bolt carrier, you might instead use an h1 buffer rather than use an h2 buffer with a semi bolt carrier.


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Thanks Mustang, I know when I try to apply my logic (and it falls short) I can trust someone to explain what is right. Thanks (no kidding)
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Thanks Mustang, I know when I try to apply my logic (and it falls short) I can trust someone to explain what is right. Thanks (no kidding)
It still gets confusing some times when trying to find the right balance. There is no clear cut "use this" answer that works for everyone
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Rooks tactical just cancelled my order the spikes buffer is back ordered. I checked with spikes directly and they are back ordered as well. Does anyone know of a supplier who has them in stock?
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I thought I saw joebobsoutfitters had them last night, but I could be mistaken.
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What is the advantage of the M16 BCG other than its heavier?
That's the advantage. It helps dampen the recoil pulse (along with the heavier spring and buffer). This in turn helps to keep the muzzle pointed at the target for faster follow-up shots.
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I noticed that my shell deflector has a little nick from shooting this weekend. My brass was throwing at about 4 o'clock as well. So, changing the buffer is the answer?
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Just got an email from Spikes they have a few but phone orders only when their shipment comes in they will be available on line again
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They are kinda like that at time with many items, I guess it is so they know if they sell an item, they actually have them to sell, which is a good thing if they don't have a good inventory tracker for their online software.
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That means you are cool, it's not a problem.
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AR-RESTOR™ - Brownells

This is the hydaulic buffer I have been looking at. Has anyone had any experience with them?
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Ok, noob question....is a nicked up shell deflector normal? It is right on the outer edge. I realize it is called a brass deflector, but I didn't expect it to get nicked up where you can see shiny metal. Then again, I was not shooting brass either. I was shooting steel cased ammo. So, I'm guessing that this is normal....
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Yes it's normal, some will hit it some won't. You could change the buffer or spring and it might still do it. Cheap ammo will usually have varying loads and that will also cause erratic ejection
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Ok, noob question....is a nicked up shell deflector normal? It is right on the outer edge. I realize it is called a brass deflector, but I didn't expect it to get nicked up where you can see shiny metal. Then again, I was not shooting brass either. I was shooting steel cased ammo. So, I'm guessing that this is normal....
It means you're shooting it. A little wear is to be expected, and that's exactly what the deflector is for.
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This is the hydaulic buffer I have been looking at. Has anyone had any experience with them?
Your link doesn't work. It should be this:

AR-RESTOR™ - Brownells

In my view, if it's hydraulic, it's got seals, and seals age/leak. I'll still with my normal H2 buffer.
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AR-RESTOR™ - Brownells

In my view, if it's hydraulic, it's got seals, and seals age/leak. I'll still with my normal H2 buffer.
Mr Simmons I just clicked on it again and it worked for me, I am not sure what happened but the link works when I click on it. I was looking at the buffer just wondering if it was worth all the expense, I plan on getting just a normal Heavy Buffer, but the video I saw on the Ar Restor a couple of days ago showed pretty smooth follow up shots. so I thought I would ask.
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I hate sounding preachy on this forum and I've really been limiting my posting lately. But just wanted to bring up a few points:

Brass dings on the deflector is 100% normal. Watch some slow motion firing vids on Youtube. Ejected cases fly back and bounce off the deflector, which keeps them from going straight back into a left-handed shooters face.

Ejection to 4:00 does not indicate an AR that is "over-gassed". If anything, I consider 4:00 in a carbine-length AR somewhat on the slow side. The last thing I would do is add a heavier buffer or stiffer spring.

I really don't like odd aftermarket buffers and springs, like the Spikes. I am an AR purist. For a carbine length AR, standard carbine spring and a regular or H buffer is all you need. Anything more is wasting money that could instead go toward more magazines, a better trigger, ammo, etc.
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Dragon has a good point !

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Thanks crracer_712, jsimmons, and Dragon88. I guess since it is a Sport, and not a combat rifle, I expect it to stay pretty like my other hunting rifles. I thought it was "overgassed" due to what I was told on another forum about S&W rifles, but i guess I still don't fully understand that term. I did find this chart that seems to help...

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Thanks crracer_712, jsimmons, and Dragon88. I guess since it is a Sport, and not a combat rifle, I expect it to stay pretty like my other hunting rifles. I thought it was "overgassed" due to what I was told on another forum about S&W rifles, but i guess I still don't fully understand that term. I did find this chart that seems to help...

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I have found the Sport to be on the 'strong' side with regards to spring action, and the bolt closes forward with intent and force. I heavily agree with Dragon on this; why mess with a well working rifle......
I will say, this is a good thing. I had a service rifle that had a weak buffer spring. It hit soft (Like the 223 is a powerhouse in the first place.... ) but after some actual WORK with the rifle, it was giving me issues. And that was not cool....
Tore it down repeatedly, and as soon as I got a chance, I hit up the armorer. He spent a total of about 1 minute with it; checked the bolt and extractor, then worked the buffer a couple times with his finger. He then pulled the buffer and spring, and checked the spring against a new one. Within 2mm of length. Hmmm. He compressed them one after the other, and said "It's a junker." That was that; took it to the range, and bingo- perfect function.

And for the next 18 months, shot at nothing but paper, plywood, abandoned fishing boats, and floating **** of all sorts. Had I been attacked by killer pumpkins, I would have been ready!

I like the bolt closing solidly; no worries about not going into battery.
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I have found the Sport to be on the 'strong' side with regards to spring action, and the bolt closes forward with intent and force. I heavily agree with Dragon on this; why mess with a well working rifle......
I agree as well, especially since I don't fully understand "overgassed" or why that is a bad thing. I mean I get that the gas port is too big, the bolt is driven by too much gas...but I had the effect on ejection backwards.

New plan....change furniture and sights to my liking and shoot the hell out of it with no worries until something breaks. Ignore most of what there is on the internet about internals, until I have read a book or two and understand what is really going on in there.
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It's here i will let you know how it shoots tomorrow
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New buffer and spring are perfect, left the brass in a nice little pile 10 feet in the 4:00 position.
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Heading out in a few minutes to see how my new buffer works, my rifle just has about 100 rounds through it so I didnt replace the spring. But if I need to I will take them apart and build one between the two that gives me the right weight with no BCG bounce! But congrats on yours..sounds great!!
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