.223 American Eagle accuracy

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How accurate are you guys finding these rounds? How are they grouping for you @ 50 and 100 yards?

thanks

[SSgt M]

I shot 160 of them today. Granted i can't see very well, and my post covers my entire target, iron sights at 100 yds AE 55 gr. 223 was around 6 in with 10 in flyers,
However not great, they were all center mass on my silhouette, so that's acceptable to me. XM193F is so fars the most accurate for me.

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Originally Posted by SSgt M

I shot 160 of them today. Granted i can't see very well, and my post covers my entire target, iron sights at 100 yds AE 55 gr. 223 was around 6 in with 10 in flyers,
However not great, they were all center mass on my silhouette, so that's acceptable to me. XM193F is so fars the most accurate for me.

Thanks. I'm gonna try to get out tomorrow and see what happens at 100 yards with the AE. Like you say iron sights at 100 yards is pretty tough for pin point accuracy. I just wanted a bench mark. I have only shot 20 rounds at 50 yards to sight in and just shoot the thing. I would like to see what 100 yards looks like.

[2001gmc]

I shot 120 rounds of the AE 55gr from walmarts last Saturday. I could hit a 8" pie pan at 100yds open handed with ease with my new M&P15. I would say none of the holes were over 6 inches apart. I'm gonna try site it in better when i get it in a vise but was just doing some plinking for the first time out with my new gun. Just a FYI.

[SSgt M]

I don't normally shoot my AR past 50 yds. But we were playing with the
Garand today, but I seen today I can hit any 10 in. target out to 200.
Also took one shot at a tennis ball @ 50 yds, it disappeared out onto the desert.
I then proceeded to lay down suppressive fire for the 29 remaining rnds.

[Dragon88]

The best I've seen out of Federal AE .223 is 2 MOA at 100 yards. This was out of a Century Arms AR-15 Sporter (M16A1 upper on a new production lower).

If you can get 2-3 MOA out of this ammo, you are doing pretty well. I would not expect much more.

[TangoFoxtrot]

I seen it at Walmart for $7. What have you guys paid for it.

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

I've only shot one group with it: 1.69" at 100 yds, scoped and from sandbags.

[oneyeopn]

I agree with dragon, you can occasionally get a few really consistent ones, but they will center mass a hominid target.

[2001gmc]

Originally Posted by TangoFoxtrot

I seen it at Walmart for $7. What have you guys paid for it.

Its $6.97 a box at my Walmart. I still stare at the $4.97 Tulammo every time I go in there. I've put 120 rounds through my new MOE so fare flawlessly and got another 180 rounds on hand. I try to buy a few boxes everytime I go if the wife lets me lol.

[crracer_712]

Originally Posted by TangoFoxtrot

I seen it at Walmart for $7. What have you guys paid for it.

That's the going rate at my local Walmart.

They also have what I assume is some better quality Federal in the 100 rnd value packs for 40 bucks. I finally was able to get some of this AE that walmart always had a tag for but no ammo to sell. I thought maybe it was the same as the value pack stuff, but apparently it isn't. It's the same AE I bought a case of at a gun show (500 rounds), and I paid 175 for that case which pretty much comes out to walmart's price, less sales tax.

I think I'll buy a box of that 100 rnd value pack just to try it out. Least I'll have the brass left over to reload.

[crracer_712]

Originally Posted by 2001gmc

Its $6.97 a box at my Walmart. I still stare at the $4.97 Tulammo every time I go in there. I've put 120 rounds through my new MOE so fare flawlessly and got another 180 rounds on hand. I try to buy a few boxes everytime I go if the wife lets me lol.

Same price at my wally world for that tulammo. I've shot a couple hundred rounds of it, no problems other than a couple that were noticably lighter loads and didn't catch the next round. I decided it wasn't worth it since I don't get brass back to reload. Although if you just want to go plink and not worry about getting your brass, I think it's great for that.

[oneyeopn]

Originally Posted by crracer_712

That's the going rate at my local Walmart.

They also have what I assume is some better quality Federal in the 100 rnd value packs for 40 bucks. I finally was able to get some of this AE that walmart always had a tag for but no ammo to sell. I thought maybe it was the same as the value pack stuff, but apparently it isn't. It's the same AE I bought a case of at a gun show (500 rounds), and I paid 175 for that case which pretty much comes out to walmart's price, less sales tax.

I think I'll buy a box of that 100 rnd value pack just to try it out. Least I'll have the brass left over to reload.

What Federal is your Wally World selling...I may have to push ours to get some. Plus you can clean up the Tulammo with a magnet LOL

[JaPes]

I am probably taking an ***-backwards approach to ammo, but here are my thoughts.

I want to find the least expensive ammo possible. I want to practice with that ammo as much as possible, trying to hone my skill with it.

I want to be confident it's not this (points to self) nut behind the trigger that is inaccurate.

When I get to a point where I feel that I am wringing out all the performance out of the cheap stuff, I'll start shooting the more expensive stuff.

[hardluk1]

Mine has a 2.5-10 scope on it and from a bench on a rest and bunnie ear bag it will shoot AR223 55gr 1 1/4" at 100 yards if I have a good day. I hate AR triggers so maybe a bit better with a good trigger. Some one posted some 100 yards groups of under and inch a week ago.

[oneyeopn]

Originally Posted by hardluk1

Mine has a 2.5-10 scope on it and from a bench on a rest and bunnie ear bag it will shoot AR223 55gr 1 1/4" at 100 yards if I have a good day. I hate AR triggers so maybe a bit better with a good trigger. Some one posted some 100 yards groups of under and inch a week ago.

I have shot hundred yard groups well under an inch, I have shot groups @ 200 under an inch, using Federal XM193 5.56x45 55gr FMJ. I am getting ready to load some 68gr Hornady Match HPBT that is supposedly super accurate. But like you alot of this is whether I am having a good day or not!!
But I am excited to try the Match bullets

[crracer_712]

Originally Posted by oneyeopn

What Federal is your Wally World selling...I may have to push ours to get some. Plus you can clean up the Tulammo with a magnet LOL

It's just the federal packaging like their pistol ammo, kinda reddish colored box with picture of pretty ammo.

Did some research on this and apparently the value pack is packed loose in the box now, and it used to come with 5 20 round boxes in the single box. I got the impression is is the same as the AE boxes that are sold in the 20 round pack.

I might pick up a box anyway, even though it's 10 bucks higher than buying the same amount in the AE. It took about 3 days after my walmart got a pile of that AE ammo in, to be sold out. That was the first time in a year that I had been in the store when that ammo was actually on the shelf. The Tulammo 223 usually goes about as fast, but there is always plenty of the value pack(which doesn't seem like much of a value).

Interestingly, I did some figuring and about all the reloads I load, I can buy the factory ammo and use the brass to reload cheaper than if I were to buy new brass and reload. I.E. buying new brass and reloading once, the price per round is higher than buying factory ammo per round. So I just buy the factory ammo and save myself one reload.

[oneyeopn]

Originally Posted by crracer_712

It's just the federal packaging like their pistol ammo, kinda reddish colored box with picture of pretty ammo.

Did some research on this and apparently the value pack is packed loose in the box now, and it used to come with 5 20 round boxes in the single box. I got the impression is is the same as the AE boxes that are sold in the 20 round pack.

I might pick up a box anyway, even though it's 10 bucks higher than buying the same amount in the AE. It took about 3 days after my walmart got a pile of that AE ammo in, to be sold out. That was the first time in a year that I had been in the store when that ammo was actually on the shelf. The Tulammo 223 usually goes about as fast, but there is always plenty of the value pack(which doesn't seem like much of a value).

Interestingly, I did some figuring and about all the reloads I load, I can buy the factory ammo and use the brass to reload cheaper than if I were to buy new brass and reload. I.E. buying new brass and reloading once, the price per round is higher than buying factory ammo per round. So I just buy the factory ammo and save myself one reload.

Thanks Rod...this is a good piece of information to pass on, a lot of people like to buy new brass and load it. But what you have just passed on helps a lot. I can plink with new ammo and then reload to my specific rounds cheaper. Thanks Again

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Since I started the thread I would like to hijack it for a moment.

This is my first round of loading for rifle. I have loaded for pistol for years.

How are you guys gettin the powder into the brass case? Just wondering if you guys use something like the Lee disk powder measure or if you weight each charge separately. I have the Lee disk powder measure but I don't have the disk kit to stack the disks to get the amount I need so I weighed each one separately.

If you measure each charge how are you getting it into the brass case. I can not find a funnel small enough. I used my thumb and index finger to "funnel" the charge into the case.

Are you using the crimping die or is the bullet seating tool all that is needed?

thanks guys

[hardluk1]

I have a old lee perfect powder measurer that works good for run of the run of the mill loads. Not a match grade loader but works fine. Funnel works fine.

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Originally Posted by hardluk1

I have a old lee perfect powder measurer that works good for run of the run of the mill loads. Not a match grade loader but works fine. Funnel works fine.

Thanks

I ordered the Lee kit that will allow my to double stack the disks to get the load but I have a week or so before it gets here. Where did you find a funnel? I have looked at hardware stores and at the pharmacy with no luck. Using my fingers works pretty well but a funnel would be a bit easier.

[crracer_712]

Do you have the Lee universal Rifle powder through die? It will work the same as your powder through expanding dies that are in the pistol kits, it's just that it doesn't expand. Your Lee auot disk will mount to it.

Here is the die I am referring too.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/792...to-30-calibers

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Originally Posted by crracer_712

Do you have the Lee universal Rifle powder through die? It will work the same as your powder through expanding dies that are in the pistol kits, it's just that it doesn't expand. Your Lee auot disk will mount to it.

I have the Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure. It comes with four disks that you can stack if you need more powder. The problem is, I just found out, you need the stacking kit.

I have the powder through die. At least the powder drops from the powder measure through a tube and into the case. Not sure what you mean by it expanding.

[oneyeopn]

I have the Lee Perfect Powder Measure also, at the bottom of it is a black thing that looks like an upside down funnel. I just hold the case up to it tight and it drops the powder right into it. I generally tap it when I have it in load position and tap it when I dump it. every so often I check the weight of my dumps plus I look into each and every case to make sure they all look the same. if need be you can roll up a piece of heavy plastic like a small flexible cutting board to guide the powder into a shell.

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if need be you can roll up a piece of heavy plastic like a small flexible cutting board to guide the powder into a shell.[/QUOTE]

I thought of making a paper one. I got a syringe type thing from the hardware store. I think it's for cake decorating or the like. Anyway I drilled out the opening a bit and trimmed the length a bit. Anyway the problem is static. It's pretty tough to get all the powder down into the casing. I see Lee makes a funnel. I'm gonna call around tomorrow and see if someone has one.

[oneyeopn]

Originally Posted by thumbs

if need be you can roll up a piece of heavy plastic like a small flexible cutting board to guide the powder into a shell.

I thought of making a paper one. I got a syringe type thing from the hardware store. I think it's for cake decorating or the like. Anyway I drilled out the opening a bit and trimmed the length a bit. Anyway the problem is static. It's pretty tough to get all the powder down into the casing. I see Lee makes a funnel. I'm gonna call around tomorrow and see if someone has one.[/QUOTE] I have one but have never used it...but I may have some compressed loads coming up. that was the only time I could ever imagine using it.

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I have one but have never used it...but I may have some compressed loads coming up. that was the only time I could ever imagine using it.[/QUOTE]


Do you mean you have the Lee funnel?

Well sittin here watchin the tube and playin. I made a funnel out of paper and it was ok. I then took a real thin piece of plastic cutting board and made another. Much nicer. I then took a plastic straw and cut part way up and folded it over itself to make it small enough at one end to fit into the case. I taped the straw to the funnel and I think I have it.

The reason I have to do it this way is, as of now, I have to use the dipper, weigh the charge and pour it into the case. I'm waiting for the disk kit to come in.

Oh I did go to Graft's and ordered 1000 bullets. With shipping it came out to about 9.5 cents a bullet. They are Hornaby soft point. My vmax bullets are close to 17 cents.

[oneyeopn]

Originally Posted by thumbs

I have one but have never used it...but I may have some compressed loads coming up. that was the only time I could ever imagine using it.

Do you mean you have the Lee funnel?

Well sittin here watchin the tube and playin. I made a funnel out of paper and it was ok. I then took a real thin piece of plastic cutting board and made another. Much nicer. I then took a plastic straw and cut part way up and folded it over itself to make it small enough at one end to fit into the case. I taped the straw to the funnel and I think I have it.

The reason I have to do it this way is, as of now, I have to use the dipper, weigh the charge and pour it into the case. I'm waiting for the disk kit to come in.

Oh I did go to Graft's and ordered 1000 bullets. With shipping it came out to about 9.5 cents a bullet. They are Hornaby soft point. My vmax bullets are close to 17 cents.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I got the funnel with my anniversery special loader set.
What is Graft's, I guess I oughta google it I will tomorrow
As an old man used to tell me
Where there is a will there is a way....and your proving it!!

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What is Graft's, I guess I oughta google it I will tomorrow
As an old man used to tell me
Where there is a will there is a way....and your proving it!![/QUOTE]

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I think a guy suggested it earlier on this thread, not sure. Anyway Graft's has just about any bullet your lookin for. I haven't found them cheaper. Flat rate shipping of $5.95 or close to it.

[BubbaBlades]

I use to reload .223 but I found out that there is cheap factory ammo available that can produce great accuracy if the bullet weight/gun combo is right.
I tried American Eagle in three different ARs and got average accuracy results and no operational problems.
I shot this five shot one hundred yard group using $5 a box Remington UMC ammo from my Robinson Arms M96 16" carbine. The owner of Robinson Arms was impressed enough to request this picture for his advertising use.
Mark

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Originally Posted by BubbaBlades

I use to reload .223 but I found out that there is cheap factory ammo available that can produce great accuracy if the bullet weight/gun combo is right.
I tried American Eagle in three different ARs and got average accuracy results and no operational problems.
I shot this five shot one hundred yard group using $5 a box Remington UMC ammo from my Robinson Arms M96 16" carbine. The owner of Robinson Arms was impressed enough to request this picture for his advertising use.
Mark

Wow now that is a real nice group.

[SSgt M]

scoped RA M96 ?

[oneyeopn]

Originally Posted by SSgt M

scoped RA M96 ?

I would bet so...my groups like that come from a scope!! Robinson Arms, never heard of them, where are they out of?

[oneyeopn]

Originally Posted by BubbaBlades

I use to reload .223 but I found out that there is cheap factory ammo available that can produce great accuracy if the bullet weight/gun combo is right.
I tried American Eagle in three different ARs and got average accuracy results and no operational problems.
I shot this five shot one hundred yard group using $5 a box Remington UMC ammo from my Robinson Arms M96 16" carbine. The owner of Robinson Arms was impressed enough to request this picture for his advertising use.
Mark

Did I read it right that they dont make this model anymore. I saw a 1999 made one for sale for $1500. I had just never heard of them so I had to search. Good shooting!

[BubbaBlades]

Sorry for not posting a gun picture with the target picture. For those not familiar with the Robinson Arms (RA) Model 96, this is the Robinson Arms M96 that I used to shoot the target. It has a 4x ACOG sight. It uses standard AR mags and I usually use a 20 rounder for target work and the pictured 100 round Beta mag for more casual shooting.
Mark