If anyone knows of the whereabouts of a new M&P sport could you pm me to let me know where it is? I can find them locally for 700 bucks. The price would have to be in the low 600 dollar mark to make it worth shipping.

Thanks for the help

Gary

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thumbs
Souderton, Pa.

Seems every where is sold out. Even the good online shops, lots of CA legal out there,

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Yep. Funny I found three locally. All the shops want 700 bucks for them. I guess that's why they still have them. LOL I really like the Sport but not sure about 700 bucks worth.

If I can't find a sport for a reasonable amount I guess I'll go with the PSA or maybe a build. I can get a CMMG stripped lower for 115 otd. The rest is kinda up in the air. Who makes the best stuff for the price. I was looking at a Del-Ton kit I found for 479, I think. The build would put it at just about the same price as the PSA. Don't know who's quality is better.

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Souderton, Pa.

I hear ya bro. The 15-Sport was the overlooked gem in the lineup. More of us bought them, found out how good they actually are, and opened our big mouths

Used to be they were easy to find. Now, not so much.

Don't know about Del-Ton, but I've heard nothing but good things about PSA. You can buy a stripped lower from PSA, then buy a rifle kit.

1. Buy the lower on a separate transaction from the rest of the rifle parts. When you buy them together, the supplier is obliged to charge an 11% federal excise tax.

2. If you think you'll ever sell the rifle you build, purchase the stripped lower & complete upper from the same manufacturer. It makes it easier to resell.

For the same budget as a 15-Sport, you can build a good rifle. I know because I did it.

If you have any other questions, build or complete rifle, just ask.

Thanks I do have a few questions. If you were goin to start another build where would you start for an upper? The problem I have run into is even the manufacturers are out of parts. I found through an on line retailer that some parts are still available. Anyway what do you suggest? Also if you buy the complete rifle do you have to pay the tax or is it just on the parts?

I was told today the he had heard Smith got a pretty big contract from the gov and diverted quite a bit of the manufacturing to the contract and that is causing the slow down in rifles to the public. Don't know if that is true or not, he didn't either, just what he heard.

thanks

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Souderton, Pa.

I don't think $700 sounds terrible. You're not going to do much better than $650 around here. With shipping and transfer fees, you're about there. Yes, there are other options but IMO, the lifetime warranty, great reliability and resources on this forum are worth a few extra bucks.

Can one build a better rifle for 700 with same grade or better parts?
You'd definitely loose out on the barrel, depending on what you intend to do with the rifle though.

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Ok I'm listening. I see that Cabelas has them for 699 plus tax of course that would be 736 plus the check for I would guess 10 bucks or so. So about 750 for the sport. Now they also have a
DPMS for the same price on sale. Ok I know you may be a bit prejudice but would you still go with the Smith??

yeah your right. Around here they used to go for about 650 before the shortage.

Cabela's: DPMS Tactical Rifles

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Souderton, Pa.

Go with the Smith,
I seen only one standard sport, looked like 719 shipped plus what ever your ffl charges.
Gunsinternational.com

I also seen a bunch of CA sports for 629, what's it cost to change the bullet button ?

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Not the chart !

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Lower:

PSA AR15 Lower - Lower Receivers - Lower Parts - AR-15

Upper:

16'' Hammer Forged Mid-Length Light Profile Rifle Kit - Rifle Kits - AR-15

Everything you need. You can build a 16" Hammer Forged, 1:7, Chrome Lined, Full Auto Bolt Carrier, etc...

~$80 + Shipping + Whatever FFL fee for the lower.

~$600 + Shipping for the rifle kit.


Build the PSA or Buy a 15-Sport, and you'll spend the same money. There are some pro's and con's to both. The good parts IMO...

PSA: Mid Length, Full Auto Bolt Carrier, FA & Dust Cover to complete the "look", double chrome lined, hammer forged barrel w/ "machine gun steel"(?).

15-Sport: The Barrel. 1:8 5R progressive gain rifling. Melonite treated (salt bath nitriding) for hardness & corrosion resistance. I get to shoot a bunch of different weight ammo, just as long as I don't go to extremes. The Lifetime Warranty. Anything breaks or is defective, send it back on S&W's dime and they'll fix it.

Here's where you have to make a choice.

There are a bunch of us who own 15-Sports and love them. I'm one of the satisfied 15-Sport owners. The omission of a forward assist & dust cover didn't make a difference to me. The barrel & lifetime warranty did. I got more than I expected for my money. Of course, I paid $614.99 OTD for mine.

The PSA components I linked to have impressive specs. These specs are what you'll see the mil-spec oriented crowd drool over. You'll get the currently en-vogue mid-length gas system. A slightly more robust full auto bolt carrier. Traditional 1:7 rifling. Hammer forged, machine gun steel (I assume 4150 CMV), and double chrome lining.

Basically, there are differences in construction details that will cause heated discussion on internet forums. Some get too focused on the little details. IMO, either way you'll get an equally good rifle at an equally good price.

There's a certain security in getting a complete rifle, manufactured and assembled by a major firearms manufacturer, and backed by a lifetime warranty that actually means something. Clean, lube, and you're ready to shoot.

There's a certain sense of pride and accomplishment in assembling a lower & topping it off with a complete upper. There's more pride in ownership because you can say, "I put that together". You do without the safety blanket of a lifetime warranty.

For me, my first was the 15-Sport because of the safety net the S&W lifetime warranty provided. Then within a month, I assembled a lower & topped it off with a complete upper.

That's an old version of the chart! The M&Ps have M4 feedramps now.

Oh no. The chart! LOL.

You know, the one thing I like most about this forum is that the members keep in mind the budget and intent of the OP. What you don't see here is the knee-jerk "Add a few hundred bucks and get yourself a real rifle, Colt LE6920" typical replies.

At $700 before tax for the Sport, there are other options. PSA is one. After I bought my Sport, I found that I could get a Spikes Tactical for basically the same money. For $745, I could have purchased the S&W M&P 15 OR with a tactical bag and 3 magazines at the gun show. This was a new gun from a dealer who claimed to be a LE distributor and had ordered several extra from S&W so that he could get an additional discount.

I guess what I am saying is that the higher the price for the Sport, the less of the deal it is and the more options are available. I turned down the M&P 15 OR because I wanted the barrel on the Sport, but I bet I would have been served just as well with either rifle.

Hit the nail right on the head.

At the price I paid for my 15-Sport, $614.99 OTD, there was nothing in the same price range that could come close.

At $700 or $750? Cyphertext is right. More options open up, especially if you build.

Yep, it looks like the chart. Now smith people are using the chart, are these the same smith people that made fun of the other guys for using the chart???

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M&P 22A, 40c, 15A, 15-22

I'll Take the jump, as all EBRs seem to be creeping in price, and not to many sales at all.... Besides building one, I think 750 is a top dollar price as there's not much in that range I've seen unless you go to 850 $. that's a whole different conversation.

I STILL WOULD LIKE TO NO , if he can buy a CA version and change the bullet button ? The CA at 629 $ plus shipping leaves alot if financial room if it can be changed on the cheap ?

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OMG. You're right.

Get out foul chart!!!

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Where'd the chart go... Lol
I still don't see what that crowd sees in THE chart.

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I would imagine you could simply remove the 'bullet button' and install a regular AR mag release in its place. The lower is the same no matter what. Add a 11.00 pmag and you got a regular AR, regular for the other states that is....

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M&P 22A, 40c, 15A, 15-22

I"think" there are three things different in the complaint versions.. I can be wrong here but one place I was looking had a 10 round mag(really not so bad I want one anyway) also had the bullet button and the kicker was no flash suppressor. Not sure they were all that way but these were.

Yes the problem is getting to be the rise in the price. I was told where to find one for 689 shipped to my ffl from out of state. This would put it at about 710 out the door. Like you say this is gettin expensive. Yes there are options now. No longer is the sport the deal it was for you guys. Now on the other hand around here, before the cost increase I would have had to pay about 650 locally anyway. Add the tax and I'm about the same place. Of course this is not buying on line but locally.

Has anyone changed out the bullet button and if so what was the cost?

So the answer really isn't an easy one. I guess I have to ask is the Sport still a great value at 710 otd or not?? I don't have that much exp with AR's to tell right now.

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Souderton, Pa.

Here is a thread about removing a s&w bullet button,
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-w...g-release.html

Seems a s&w factory installed bullet button is not as easily removed as a normal mag release button.
I think I would prefer not to try and do it.

X2! I think that line must be the most over used line on a couple of forums! Sometimes I have to come back over here and read through old posts just for a sanity check! I looked at a lot but wanted a Smith. I could have gone on for months (and I did at first) and the difference was minimal between brands. I wasn't going to build my first. Just wanted something I could go home, clean and head right to the range knowing I was going to fire off 200 rounds without a single hiccup. And, that's exactly what I did.

I looked at and held RRA, DPMS, Bushmaster, the new "Bushmaster" company that starts with a W (sorry, can't think of it right now) and Colt.

At the end of the day, there are pro's and con's to all of them. I'm a bit brand loyal so I stuck with the Smith and glad I wasn't let down.

Bud's has the OR model for 851.00.

What do you intend to do with the rifle? With the OR, you already get a receiver level front railed gas block. Seems a few have got rid of the standard A2 front sight (I know IMO I would rather not have the fixed sight in place). Are you going to put optics on? If so, the OR might make more sense, no need to change front sight. If you change to a railed gas block, you have to add the cost of that block as well as figure in if you can change it yourself or pay someone to do it. I'd guess 50 to 60 bucks installed at a gun smith including price of gas block. Figuring they'd charge 15 or 20 bucks.

The OR has a front hand gaurd with a heat shield in it, from what I can tell, the Sport does not. Is that important to you? Both are similar style, would you leave that alone or change it?

Don't forget the advantages to the FA and dust cover. People can argue all day long about the FA, that's OK. But the dust cover, come on, it's a no brainer. You can't have cute little slogans and stuff for all to see if you don't have one.

That 851 includes shipping. Just something else to think about.

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M&P 22A, 40c, 15A, 15-22

You are the only one that can determine if it is of "value" to you. Mine was $704 OTD ($650 + tax). I purchased from a local retailer that allowed me to inspect the firearm before I purchased. There is some perceived value in that. But the main reason I purchased it was because it was the only Sport I could find. Demand is running higher than supply. Looking back, I was probably stupid to not buy the OR package at the gun show for $40 more, but I wanted the barrel from the Sport. Plus, I was looking at another $100 at least to put sights on the OR version. So I would say that I feel that my Sport is a good value for the money spent, it is not the bargain that it once was.

My intent is punchin paper for now. I am also tryin to plan a pdog hunt when we head west this summer. (I hope) Yes I will probably want to put some sites on it for that. I am guessing you guys know how to do that with the front sight on.
Stopped by the LGS this afternoon and saw a Bushmaster used. Don't know anything about them but what I have heard was a bit on the negative side. Anyway my point was it has a carry handle with a site attachment that attached to the hole in the handle and went forward down and up the barrel a bit with a site mounted there. Looked pretty ingenious. It also looked like it would co witness. It was a mid length with the front sight.

Cost right now is important. As usual I have to get the best bang for the buck. From reading what you guys have said the Sport should be my best choice. I will have to use the "iron" sights for a while but will have to ask you guys later about that also.

Anyway the long and the short of it, Breechloader, found one for me. It just happened to work out that they still have them. Not cheap as you guys remember but probably what I would have spent locally with tax. Less than Cabelas regular price anyway. I figure they probably don't have them either. I may call for the heck of it and see. Ok I ordered it. Should be here early next week. Now I know enough to clean the thing before shooting but is there anything special I should know about the AR before I run er a bit? Ammo etc.

Thanks to all who helped and gave me leads. I really appreciate it.

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Souderton, Pa.

Not necessarily, just look it over, look down the barrel for obstruction, oil it up, send some rounds down range.
Enjoy.....

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Advanced Arms, Pittson, PA If you need more info send me a PM.

Congrats on your purchase! I was set on getting an optic when I picked mine up. I have a BSA red dot on my 15-22 and was convinced that was the way to go. When I got home, I cleaned my new AR and hit the range with iron sights.

I had forgotten how much fun they were and now I'm in no hurry for an optic. They work great for me at short range. I'll get a scope for longer range shooting but for now, the irons are perfect.

Lawmens in Raleigh NC has them for 554.99 so 590otd

I order on from a place called The Exchange. I saw them on gunsamerica.com and just gave them a call to order it, paid $646 shipped and paid $25 for the transfer $671 total. This in the model that comes with the mag release, 30 round mag, and flash suppressor.

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Here's a YouTube video that illustrates how to set a mechanical zero on iron sights.

How to Zero your AR15 / M4 / M16A2 Platform: Mechanical Zero & the 25m Target - YouTube

I use this process and it works every time. The individual who put together this video did a good job.

This may not be what you want to hear, but your circumstances that preclude the use of an optic leaving you no option but to shoot with irons is, in my opinion, a good thing.

Learning to shoot well with iron sights is a skill that I believe all firearms enthusiasts need. I feel a greater sense of accomplishment & pride in being able to shoot accurately using iron sights.

Red dots can fail. Scopes can fail. Batteries exhaust their charge. Iron sights are simple, and have a low probability of failure.

When you've attained the skill to utilize iron sights well, an optic becomes an convenience, not a must-have.

You may actually discover, as I did, that you have more fun shooting irons.

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