To Re-Load or Not???

don5 · #**1301** 04-01-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BHarada

Don, the crazy thing is that the ballistic printer costs more than the F1. I got at Walmart online for $85. But I love being able to press a button and have it print out Min/Max/Avg/Extreme Spread/STD and every shot velocity in the string.

The downside of it is that it's an old school impact printer so it takes forever to print off a 20 or 30 shot string. haha

But it works! That is a pretty good tip. I am looking at the Master version.

I will keep you guys posted about it. I just got my reloading manuals so I am kinda pacing myself.

Maddmax · #**1302** 04-02-2013, 09:20 AM

OK. Time to upgrade and get some new "toys".

Give me some ideas on a good Chrony and something I can hook to a lap top. Been thinking about a dedacated lap top just for shooting. I've also been looking into a portable power supply with a solar charger that can handle all this.

GEEEEEeeea!!! Good thing I have a full size Crew Cab and can haul more "stuff" to the range.

BHarada · #**1303** 04-02-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Maddmax

OK. Time to upgrade and get some new "toys".

Give me some ideas on a good Chrony and something I can hook to a lap top. Been thinking about a dedacated lap top just for shooting. I've also been looking into a portable power supply with a solar charger that can handle all this.

GEEEEEeeea!!! Good thing I have a full size Crew Cab and can haul more "stuff" to the range.

One word...MagnetoSpeed

I got an email from Brownells highlighting this while I was at the range last month.

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Originally Posted by Product Description

All shooting chronographs currently marketed to the general public use optical sensors. The MagnetoSpeed uses electromagnetic sensors (patent pending) to detect the presence of the bullet. These sensors are immune to muzzle blast, which allows the sensors to be located near the muzzle. As an added benefit, these sensors are immune to common light problems such as fluorescent lights, low sun, bright sun, etc.

MagnetoSpeeds unique method determines velocity by sensing the difference in time between a slight disturbance in two magnetic fields as the bullet passes by. This is somewhat similar to the way that an electric guitar senses the vibration of its strings to produce amplified tones.
The MagnetoSpeed V1 kit is designed for use with barrels from 1/2 inch up to 1 inch in diameter as well as most muzzle brakes, flash hiders, etc. The MagnetoSpeed V2 ballistic chronograph kit was designed to be used on barrels and suppressors from 1/2 inch all the way up to 2 inches in diameter. In addition to the larger diameter tolerance, the V2 also has one inch more clearance in the blast zone to account for longer muzzle brakes, flash hiders, etc.

It saves the shooting data to a micro SD card in a CSV file. And while the $275 price tag is a little steep, a Shooting Chrony Beta (the cheapest model with non-volatile memory and a serial (that's right, serial

) interface is Amazon.com : Shooting Chrony Beta Chronograph (blue) : Sporting Goods : Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pLb0fJ13L.@@AMEPARAM@@41pLb0fJ13L for another $95+shipping.

So for an extra $50-60 you get a chronograph that is not light sensitive, does not need to set up and aligned downrange, and saved data to an SD card (welcome to the 21st century

).

All this chronograph discussion has got me thinking that while I'm waiting for my new powder to arrive that I should send my Chrony in for an upgrade. It's a two week turn on the procedure so it'll be back just in time.

stavman11 · #**1304** 04-02-2013, 11:31 AM

WOW... Lots happened Yesterday while I was out Playing

Scott... ya Gotta get a Chrono if yer Loading Rounds... Takes it to another step of Fun and OCD... ADHD...LOL... for $80 its a great addition to the Fun... I dont do the print outs...YET... easy ta setup and adds lots of Fun

Well my day went Great Yesterday... tested the Hydro Buffer some more... works awesome on my carbon 15... can really tell the difference..

Also discovered some of my ACCURACY issues... i have my Scope on this 1" Riser... well seems it is a Bit..ever so slightly... LOOSE.... So re-sighted and adjusted it and well as you can see from my site in... Tracking Rounds from upper Left to Just High to 4 On Target...

Heading to cabela's shortly for new Scope mount...

was a fun Day for sure... wind was whipping all day... so ended up shotting HandGun drills more than anything...

I also took a couple Pics of my range trip yesterday... Like maddmax... good thing I got Big Red for all my Stuffs.....

My Shooting bench..

and My Targets... Look WAY out and ya see the 100yd target... Cant see the gong at 200yds... its a Small orange dot...

BHarada · #**1305** 04-02-2013, 11:40 AM

Hey Stav, those cantilever rings you have on the scope look backwards. They typically lean to the front.

If you're in the market for a new base just pick up a Burris QD PEPR and be done with it.

Maddmax · #**1306** 04-02-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BHarada

One word...MagnetoSpeed

I got an email from Brownells highlighting this while I was at the range last month.

It saves the shooting data to a micro SD card in a CSV file. And while the $275 price tag is a little steep.

So for an extra $50-60 you get a chronograph that is not light sensitive, does not need to set up and aligned downrange, and saved data to an SD card (welcome to the 21st century

My my my. Thanks.

There goes my beer fund...

Good thing I drink Whiskey and well stocked like ammo (by the case).

At first,I wondered what the weird bayonet was all about.

I'm liking that a LOT. Simple,easy and doesn't take up a lot of space. IF it holds up,I can live with the (GULP),price. Brownells is good too (BAD when they recognize me by voice

),it hit my wish list so it won't get lost. That'll be handy when I start messing with the gas block (going to adjustable on one or two)and give me an actual fps so I know the bullet isn't loosing any "HP" scootin' down range. At one time we had a "group" chrono,but it finely died of old age...

...and for $100. more I can have a nifty little case too.

Thanks again. Just what I was looking for. No worries,the kids drug me kicking & screaming into the 21st century years ago. My second PC build would dim the lights in town when it was starting up. It sounded like an old Huey getting into pre-flight

Maddmax · #**1307** 04-02-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stavman11

And all this time I thought my work cones had legs and were just walking off the job site.

BHarada · #**1308** 04-02-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Maddmax

My my my. Thanks.

There goes my beer fund...

Good thing I drink Whiskey and well stocked like ammo (by the case).

At first,I wondered what the weird bayonet was all about.

I'm liking that a LOT. Simple,easy and doesn't take up a lot of space. IF it holds up,I can live with the (GULP),price. Brownells is good too (BAD when they recognize me by voice

),it hit my wish list so it won't get lost. That'll be handy when I start messing with the gas block (going to adjustable on one or two)and give me an actual fps so I know the bullet isn't loosing any "HP" scootin' down range. At one time we had a "group" chrono,but it finely died of old age...

...and for $100. more I can have a nifty little case too.

Thanks again. Just what I was looking for. No worries,the kids drug me kicking & screaming into the 21st century years ago. My second PC build would dim the lights in town when it was starting up. It sounded like an old Huey getting into pre-flight

Well, my Chrony F1 is now in a box at the post office, on it's way to Amherst NY for an upgrade. So my load testing is on hiatus until it gets back.

Maybe this will give me the opportunity to drag my son out to the range Friday morning to shoot the Winchester while I try to get used to shooting the Sport with only an 8x scope.

stavman11 · #**1309** 04-02-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BHarada

Hey Stav, those cantilever rings you have on the scope look backwards. They typically lean to the front.

If you're in the market for a new base just pick up a Burris QD PEPR and be done with it.

Actualy had ta do it that way... as well as the new Nikon P-Series mount i got.

Only way i can get it to SIT where my eyeballs like It.... and keep flip up site on...

Great trip to Cabela's Today.... Couldnt believe how much ammo they had...

I swear there was over 100bxs of herters brass .223 , a Bunch of black Hills 50rd boxes.... and at least 100-100rd CCI .22 LR....

No Re-Loading supplies... really need some Pistol Primers and Powder.. then ill gte rolling on .357 loads..

i got 5-100rd Boxes of Winchester 9mm roounds... so Am good there
2 new MagPul MOE+ Grips
the Nikon P-series Scope mount

was a good $280 trip....LOL

Now back to your regularly Scheduled Re-Loading Thread

Stephanie B · #**1310** 04-02-2013, 02:23 PM

If you're getting into reloading now, then you may have to resign yourself to buying the hardware and then watching it sit there, unused. All of the consumables (bullets, powders and primers) are in short supply.

stavman11 · #**1311** 04-02-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephanie B

If you're getting into reloading now, then you may have to resign yourself to buying the hardware and then watching it sit there, unused. All of the consumables (bullets, powders and primers) are in short supply.

ya no Kidding

Got some .357 Lead... plenty of Brass.... and the Lee Die's and the pro 1000 are still sitting at cabela's.......

LOL

Glad i have plenty of .223 condiments..... for my loading...

Figure im gunna setup an entire station for hand gun loads... keep my Current Lee pro 1000 for .223 only...

makes it easier than swapping everything out....

patience patience patience

BHarada · #**1312** 04-02-2013, 02:57 PM

Yeah. I have a seemingly perpetual back order for small pistol primers at Sinclairs.

I should have been a lot more paranoid earlier this year when I found Wolf SRPs at Wideners. I bought 5K, but in hindsight I should have bought 10K. Then I'd feel more comfortable using them in my 40 S&W.

don5 · #**1313** 04-02-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stavman11

Actualy had ta do it that way... as well as the new Nikon P-Series mount i got.

Only way i can get it to SIT where my eyeballs like It.... and keep flip up site on...

Great trip to Cabela's Today.... Couldnt believe how much ammo they had...

I swear there was over 100bxs of herters brass .223 , a Bunch of black Hills 50rd boxes.... and at least 100-100rd CCI .22 LR....

No Re-Loading supplies... really need some Pistol Primers and Powder.. then ill gte rolling on .357 loads..

i got 5-100rd Boxes of Winchester 9mm roounds... so Am good there
2 new MagPul MOE+ Grips
the Nikon P-series Scope mount

was a good $280 trip....LOL

Now back to your regularly Scheduled Re-Loading Thread

I like the Nikon rings! Now just a brief word or two about my trip to the newest Cabelas, in Columbus Ohio, today. They did not have any AR15s, 1522's, 22ammo , 9mm, 223, 223 brass, powder, 22 cal bullets and primers. But they did have 5 chronys! At three different prices. All more expensive than Midway's ad. So I did not bite. I read this thread before I went in and I am drooling over that chony that brownells notified you about. It is a lot of money though. I had just about ordered the master one from midway and now I am rethinking it.

don5 · #**1314** 04-02-2013, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BHarada

Yeah. I have a seemingly perpetual back order for small pistol primers at Sinclairs.

I should have been a lot more paranoid earlier this year when I found Wolf SRPs at Wideners. I bought 5K, but in hindsight I should have bought 10K. Then I'd feel more comfortable using them in my 40 S&W.

I bought 2k of Wolf SRP as well. I should have bought 10k! I will fix that at the first time I see them at a decent price. I should have ordered more brass as well. I have 3k but should have bought another 3k.

BHarada · #**1315** 04-02-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by don5

I bought 2k of Wolf SRP as well. I should have bought 10k! I will fix that at the first time I see them at a decent price. I should have ordered more brass as well. I have 3k but should have bought another 3k.

I think the days of $15/1000 Wolf primers is long gone.

Midway has "Coming Soon" notices for Tula primers, but those are priced from $26-30/1000...the same as for CCI primers. And while I signed up for notifications, I have yet to respond to one in the past two months that wasn't already sold out five minutes after the email arrived in my inbox.

Sinclairs has a written policy to not back order powder and primers, but they let me do just that. Now whether or not I see any of that order is up for debate, but the order still stands in their system.

I'm trying my best not to develop a hoarder's mentality, but the current state and federal legislation being proposed is so far beyond belief that it's impossible not to.

hdbeast · #**1316** 04-02-2013, 09:30 PM

I didn't see anyone post about a ProChrono Digital Chronograph by Competition Electronics CEI-3800, Been using one for about five years now and use the USB computer Interface to hookup to a laptop. works very well cable is about 25 feet long I just keep all the shooting data in the unit then download it to the laptop when I get home. Here's a link to their site, I found it online for 99.00 and the Interface was 49.00 extra set of diffusers about 8.00.
https://www.competitionelectronics.c...&category_id=7

Gary

BHarada · #**1317** 04-02-2013, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hdbeast

I didn't see anyone post about a ProChrono Digital Chronograph by Competition Electronics CEI-3800, Been using one for about five years now and use the USB computer Interface to hookup to a laptop. works very well cable is about 25 feet long I just keep all the shooting data in the unit then download it to the laptop when I get home. Here's a link to their site, I found it online for 99.00 and the Interface was 49.00 extra set of diffusers about 8.00.
https://www.competitionelectronics.c...&category_id=7

Gary

All of these chronograph makers really need to start writing data to SD cards and forget the cable interfaces.

Maddmax · #**1318** 04-03-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephanie B

If you're getting into reloading now, then you may have to resign yourself to buying the hardware and then watching it sit there, unused. All of the consumables (bullets, powders and primers) are in short supply.

That's where it pays off being "close" and well known at a few LGS. It can be slow coming in,but does come in.

Maddmax · #**1319** 04-03-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stavman11

Figure im gunna setup an entire station for hand gun loads... keep my Current Lee pro 1000 for .223 only...

makes it easier than swapping everything out....

patience patience patience

Makes things easier if you are doing a lot of reloading. I have one dedicated to 5.56/223 and one for 45acp that gets swapped back and forth for 9's. I have plenty of 9's & 45,so a swap isn't all that bad with just those two.

BHarada · #**1320** 04-03-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Maddmax

Makes things easier if you are doing a lot of reloading. I have one dedicated to 5.56/223 and one for 45acp that gets swapped back and forth for 9's. I have plenty of 9's & 45,so a swap isn't all that bad with just those two.

I have a buddy that has two or three Dillons and a few more Rock Chuckers in his reloading room. The Rock Chuckers are for his precision rifle loading and the Dillons for everything else.

SanJoseScott · #**1321** 04-03-2013, 01:29 PM

I just ordered my third "last thing I need" batch from amazon and brownells. The LnL Die wrench, primer tray, dry lube, digital micrometer, Imperial Die wax, 10 pack of LnL Die bushings, 2 powder drop dies. I am right at my self imposed budget limit of $2k including powder, bullets and primers.

If for one minute you think I'm going to plunk down some more cash to buy a friggin chronograph you just don't know me very wel......ummmm, what was the link to that one that clamped onto the barrel?

rebs081 · #**1322** 04-05-2013, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BHarada

Well, my Chrony F1 is now in a box at the post office, on it's way to Amherst NY for an upgrade. So my load testing is on hiatus until it gets back.

Maybe this will give me the opportunity to drag my son out to the range Friday morning to shoot the Winchester while I try to get used to shooting the Sport with only an 8x scope.

Bill I am only 15 minutes from Amherst NY. You could have sent it to me and I could have taken it in for you and picked it up and tried it out before shipping it back to you.

BHarada · #**1323** 04-05-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rebs081

Bill I am only 15 minutes from Amherst NY. You could have sent it to me and I could have taken it in for you and picked it up and tried it out before shipping it back to you.

Now you tell me. Doh!

The tracking for the box is curious as it left the Oakland sorting center then was processed through Atlanta. There haven't been any further updates, but I'll check again this evening.

In the mean time, I received my 40gn Sierra and Nosler bullets so I'll load up my ladder of test rounds. And I have ordered an RCBS collet style bullet puller in the event that the testing goes south and anything over 2800fps disintegrates the bullets at the muzzle. The thought of using my kinetic puller to disassemble 50+ rounds is not very appealing to me.

BHarada · #**1324** 04-06-2013, 10:00 AM

The Chrony has landed in Buffalo so it looks like it'll be back at the factory on Monday. They quote a two week turn around for the upgrade so the countdown will soon begin.

GMC man · #**1325** 04-08-2013, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BHarada

One word...MagnetoSpeed

I got an email from Brownells highlighting this while I was at the range last month.

It saves the shooting data to a micro SD card in a CSV file. And while the $275 price tag is a little steep, a Shooting Chrony Beta (the cheapest model with non-volatile memory and a serial (that's right, serial

) interface is $117 at Amazon. Although I would recommend the Beta Master version for $13 more since it includes a remote display. Then you need to add in the cable and PC software from ShootingChrony.com for another $95+shipping.

So for an extra $50-60 you get a chronograph that is not light sensitive, does not need to set up and aligned downrange, and saved data to an SD card (welcome to the 21st century

).

All this chronograph discussion has got me thinking that while I'm waiting for my new powder to arrive that I should send my Chrony in for an upgrade. It's a two week turn on the procedure so it'll be back just in time.

that's the chrono I bought after I shot my first optical chrono,
The bayonet may drop but you cant shoot it and all you have to do is re tighten the strap I give it 5 thumbs up.

BTW the variable speed drill for the annealing was a bust you cant slow it down enough but as hard headed as I am I am not yet giving up on the idea lol I am trying a 6 v dc motor and a potentiometer now. 8 )

BHarada · #**1326** 04-09-2013, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GMC man

that's the chrono I bought after I shot my first optical chrono,
The bayonet may drop but you cant shoot it and all you have to do is re tighten the strap I give it 5 thumbs up.

BTW the variable speed drill for the annealing was a bust you cant slow it down enough but as hard headed as I am I am not yet giving up on the idea lol I am trying a 6 v dc motor and a potentiometer now. 8 )

Good to hear that it really works. It'll be strongly considered should my Chrony meet an untimely death.

Speaking of which, the USPS tracking email says my chrony was delivered to somewhere in Buffalo on Saturday. Unfortunately Shooting Chrony is in Amherst, with a different zip code. What's worse is that Shooting Chrony gets their deliveries made to a holding facility (also in Amherst) from which they make weekly pickups on Wednesday. So I won't know if they received it until then.

happy1 · #**1327** 03-13-2015, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oneyeopn

I bought the lee challenger kit, it gives you everything but the dies, shell holder, case prep tools and consumables ( powder, bullets and primers) in the last couple of years I have added some handier case preparation stuff, a digital scale. I used a black and decker workmate table opened it all the way up screwed two pieces of 1/2" or pretty close to it (well glued and screwed) and made a foldable loading bench. Including my 8mm Mauser Dies and my .223 dies I have under $250 in the whole set up. It probably takes me around 3 hours to load 100 rounds but I generally do it in stages and load 2 or 3 hundred at a time, prep and prime the cases and then load and seat the bullet and then do the final crimp. It actually turns into like 4 steps, you decap (take out the old primer) and resize the case. thats the most time consuming portion of it. then you prime your cases. then you load powder and bullets I do this as one step so my powder cant draw moisture then crimp. right now as I have it figured I am loading Hornady 55 gr V-Max for .25 a shot and Hornady Z-Max for .23 a shot if I bought my components in larger quantities I could get the per shot cost down. I am using Federal 5.56 Xm193 ammo cases from a bunch of that that I bought, I am using the latest and supposedly the greatest Hodgdons CFE223 powder and Hornady Bullets and CCI #41 5.56 primers. You can dang sure do it cheaper buy using regular primers and less expensive powders, but it is a part of shooting that is really cool, especially when your loads work and you watch them nail the bullseye. Sorry this was so long winded but I know that Crracer uses the same press for pistol rounds but those I dont load. Oh I have a Grafs Tumbler, after I decap and resize, I only size once, I put them in the dishwasher to remove most of the lube then I put them in the tumbler for a couple of two or three hours. I myself make reloading a two or three day thing but that is me.

Nope me too