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I could say, "Holographic or Red Dot", but those are the two most recognized names.

So, what's your preference? Why?
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As I approach 40 years old, my eyes have changed yet again. My eyes now perceive a LED dot to be a bit fuzzy. I don't have that problem with a Holographic (EoTech) sight. I wish my eyes were different because I really like the smaller form factor Aimpoint Micro Dots.

To be honest, my favorite sighting system is a good set of iron sights.
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I voted for EOTech because that is what I run......but you can't go wrong either way.
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I run an EoTech because I got a deal on it.
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Eotech has to be turned on, then auto-shuts down after 8 hours.

Aimpoint is on for 5 years; then it needs a battery change.

I chose Aimpoint because it's always on--one less thing to fiddle with--and the simplicity of the reticle--there is one dot and you put it on the target. I went with the 4moa dot because it is four times bigger than a 2moa dot, making it much easier to pick up. I am content with 4moa groups, too.
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I run EoTech. But you can't go wrong with either. It depends on if you want red dot, holo, tube or open.

Both are winners.
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Aimpoint H1

Smallest and lightest.

Simplicity. No multiple buttons for brightness and on/off, or positioned on the optic in a manner that operation would interfere with other mounted equipment. Small and light 2032 battery. No automatic shutoffs to conserve limited battery life. Just turn it on and leave it on for years.

Uncluttered reticle.

Versatility. The small size and weight of Aimpoint H1 and wide selection of different mounts makes it usable on just about any rifle platform or handgun. The H1 can also be used as a secondary optic mounted along with a magnified scope.

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Aimpoint for long battery life, plus I find it easier to "center" the reticle/dot in the round Aimpoint tube than the rectangular EOTech window.
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I like em both, my first one was the Eotec with the magnifier, love it... but then I found a deal for an aimpoint and purchased a few of those. Love them too... Lately, been on a Nikon scope kick. I picked up several P-223 3x32 Matte BDC Carbine scopes, love em. They work great for these old eyes.. I set up my Tavor with one and added a red dot on a 45* angle mount

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I have one of each - Eotech EXPS2 and AimPoint PRO. On the whole, I prefer the AimPoint for its low profile and always-on capability.

The Eotech has a 65 MOA circle with a 1 MOA dot. This lends itself to fast acquisition. The large window is easy to find with your eye, and the thin shell causes very little obstruction. Battery life is limited, and it shuts off automatically after 8 hours (down arrow) or 4 hours (up arrow). It always comes on mid-brightness, which is too bright except in daylight, IMO. If you have astigmatism, the reticule appears granular and the dot has a tail. There's no practical way to shield the lens from the weather. It's waterproof, but exposed to fog and droplets. You use one of two push buttons to increase or decrease brightness and to turn it on. Press both and hold for 2 seconds to turn off.

The AimPoint is combat ready (or SD ready) - always on, last set brightness. It is turned on with a turret knob, from night vision (invisible) to nearly blinding. It comes with flip caps, and the eyepiece cap has a window. You can actually use it with the objective covered if you keep both eyes open. The dot is superimposed on the target, inside the cap. That's a pretty good way to use it in bright sunlight, because you get good contrast without the glare. The 2 MOA dot mostly covers a 3" bullseye at 100 yards, but I stay in the black anyway (AR-15).

Both use CR123 batteries, which are small, have a long life, good temperature range, and are fairly inexpensive. Other models use different batteries. I get CR123s in bulk for flashlights and such, for about two bucks each.

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Aimpoint for long battery life, plus I find it easier to "center" the reticle/dot in the round Aimpoint tube than the rectangular EOTech window.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but there is no need to center the dot in the tube or window. That's the point of these types of optics.

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...it shuts off automatically after 8 hours (down arrow) or 4 hours (up arrow).
A slight correction on this. 4 hours with the down arrow and 8 with the up.


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Press both and hold for 2 seconds to turn off.
It should turn off immediately.
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Have 4MOA dot T-1's on my AR 5.56 and 22 uppers and a 2MOA on a 629 PC 10" (haven't fired this one yet). Did not particularly care for it on my KSG and plan on trying the EOTech on it - or stay with the Troy flip ups. Try both and see what floats your boat for your application.
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...it shuts off automatically after 8 hours (down arrow) or 4 hours (up arrow).

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A slight correction on this. 4 hours with the down arrow and 8 with the up.

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Press both and hold for 2 seconds to turn off.

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It should turn off immediately.

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Above is the perfect example of simplicity... 4 hrs... no uh 8hrs... press the up for 4 and down for 8 or is it the other way for auto shutoff? Which one did I press at start up? I forget... better start over... press both buttons at the same time and hold for two seconds to turn off... or maybe it will shut off immediately... better look through optic to make sure it shuts off, then start over. Dead battery.

How about turn knob to adjust brightness.... leave it on for a few years.

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You make a good point ChattanoogaPhil. However, it's not really that complicated. Push any button and it's on. Every time you touch a button, it starts the shutdown clock again. So, 4 hours or 8 hours really makes no difference. Just touch a button.

Even so, you cannot deny the simplicity of the Aimpoint knob. I wonder why EOTech did it differently? Why don't they come on at the same intensity as when it was turned off?

The benefit of the HWS is that it can have any reticle you want. I actually find it strange that L3 only offers three for rifle optics. They all have a 65MOA circle. Some have one dot, some have two and some have 4. I've looked through the reticle that has 4 dots and baby you better have good eyes to see the difference in all 4 dots. It looked more like a circle and a line to me.
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As I approach 40 years old, my eyes have changed yet again. My eyes now perceive a LED dot to be a bit fuzzy. I don't have that problem with a Holographic (EoTech) sight. I wish my eyes were different because I really like the smaller form factor Aimpoint Micro Dots.

To be honest, my favorite sighting system is a good set of iron sights.
I have to agree (but give your eyes another 20 ). Good ol' set of iron's are hard to beat. But the rear sight is starting to be a problem for focus. Nice having a good scope for the longer shots.

LED is a bit fuzzy on these older eyes, where the EoTech works just fine (for me) and I do find a bit quicker getting on target. That could also be because that's all I use for Holographic and the 4hr/8hr, on/off up down is just second nature. Add in a 3X flip magnifier and your good to go. I'm running a 516.A65, EXPS3-2 and a 552.XR308 that has range & windage dots and more for a 308 (bought for a SR762 I'm still waiting on).
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I put an EO 517 on my M&P 15 OR and used it for about a year.
It is a fine sight, however I never was real happy with the pixilated look of the outer 65 MOA ring.
The 1 MOA dot was great, clear and sharp, but I just didn't like that outer ring looking all pixilated.

The solution for me was to replace it with an Aimpoint PRO. I have shot it for about 9 months now and love it.
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I actually find it strange that L3 only offers three for rifle optics. They all have a 65MOA circle. Some have one dot, some have two and some have 4. I've looked through the reticle that has 4 dots and baby you better have good eyes to see the difference in all 4 dots. It looked more like a circle and a line to me.
There's a guy that does a lot of Internet gun vids who goes by the handle NutnFancy. He gives some guys tactical heartburn , but for every gun or gadget review he has something he calls POU, Philosophy of Use.

For me, cluttered fancy holdover reticles on a 1x red dot doesn't fit the purpose for what I expect from a red dot-- self defense/battle fast target acquisition, center mass point and click 0-250yds. I can stretch it out a bit by putting the dot at the top of the bad guy's chest, but beyond that I've selected the wrong kind of optic to begin with, IMO. Besides... around here it's tough to see much further than 100 feet beyond the tree line even with the leaves off the trees . So unless the bad guy is standing in the middle of the highway 500yds away jumping up and down screaming... I'm here... I'm here... What am I going to use all those dots for? If you are going to take enough time with your shots to actually use four different difficult to distinguish dots, then maybe it's time for a larger heavier low power magnified optic like an ACOG. Maybe some guys like to use the flip magnifiers, but the thought of having all that junk in my face gives me nightmares.



If I'm going to go with more than just a dot and for BDC... I'd head in the direction of a Trijicon ACOG.


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[QUOTE=Rastoff;137804175]Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but there is no need to center the dot in the tube or window. That's the point of these types of optics.

Yeah, that's why I put "center" in quotes... I know it's not the right way to describe it, but I can't think of a better way to put it. I guess that I'm so used to having to line up a crosshair or front sight in a circular tube/aperture/peep sight that I just automatically center the dot in the tube, even though it isn't necessary, and the rectangular window kind of throws me.
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As of today, I think the idea of a flip up 3x magnifier is interesting. However, it just seems like a lot of extra kit to me. If anything, I'd rather go a different way like this:
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Eotech has to be turned on, then auto-shuts down after 8 hours.

Aimpoint is on for 5 years; then it needs a battery change.

I chose Aimpoint because it's always on--one less thing to fiddle with--and the simplicity of the reticle--there is one dot and you put it on the target. I went with the 4moa dot because it is four times bigger than a 2moa dot, making it much easier to pick up. I am content with 4moa groups, too.
New to the AR world, but like Oberon, I got a deal on an upper that already had an Eotech 512 on it. I find the dot within a circle distracting, esp. since it's co-witnessed with the irons. No way is this setup quicker for me. I have shot a simple, uncluttered dot sight and that is the only way to go if you are using glass (I'm fine with irons). Furthermore, as mentioned, having the bad guy (or critter) you are shooting at 'wait while I turn my rifle on' isn't very tactically sound practice (or effective for that matter) . . .
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New to the AR world, but like Oberon, I got a deal on an upper that already had an Eotech 512 on it. I find the dot within a circle distracting, esp. since it's co-witnessed with the irons. No way is this setup quicker for me.

So you're shooting with the optic on while looking through iron sights? If so, no,wonder you don't like it.
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Furthermore, as mentioned, having the bad guy (or critter) you are shooting at 'wait while I turn my rifle on' isn't very tactically sound practice (or effective for that matter) . . .
IF you are "hunting"... tactically, you would already have your weapon sight turned on...
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Furthermore, as mentioned, having the bad guy (or critter) you are shooting at 'wait while I turn my rifle on' isn't very tactically sound practice (or effective for that matter) . . .
Yes, that would be a poor idea. So, turn your optic on at the start of the day for an HWS or just leave it on 24/7 for a reflexive. Problem solved.
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Yeah, we were talking about the TR24 not that long ago. The chevron reticle is real nice.
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Additional nomenclature:
Holographic sights are open collimators
Red Dots are closed collimators.

The sight pictures are obviously different but the basic technology is identical.
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I've used and been issued both but prefer the Aimpoint because of the simplicity. One knob for intensity adjustment and the battery lasts 5++ years of normal use.
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I've used and been issued both but prefer the Aimpoint because of the simplicity. One knob for intensity adjustment and the battery lasts 5++ years of normal use.
I also prefer the AimPoint. Guys on patrol in war zones turn them on when they leave the wire and they stay on all the time while outside. Generally speaking, they don't keep turning them on and off as somebody previously mentioned.
Mine is the M2 version.

For my Russian AK-74M, I use a Kobra red dot. It's an open collimator but it views more like an Aimpoint. There are reticule choices but I stick with the plain red dot. The 3 other reticule choices are simpler and less busy or cluttered than that of the EOTechs.

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I voted Eotech because I really like and use them. Speaking of war zones, we aren't in one (here anyway and no disrespect to Malysh for bringing it up). If I'm shooting at the range for 4-8 hours, it's a very minor inconvenience to turn it back on. Most people can't afford to shoot that long no how these days.

If SHTF is the worry, I'm not sure I'd leave it on all the time so win for Aimpoint. I like the sight picture of the circle around the dot and very much like it co-witnessing with the front sight. Lots of good, interesting comments in this thread and the others like it. Can't go wrong with either optic but Eotech get's my vote for what it and I might see in the future. Good luck!
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I run with EOTech and ACOG. The ACOG has the piggyback Docter red dot.

One reason I went with the EOTech is that I have two relatives who were both SEALs with recent combat experience using the EOTech. They told me that they preferred it over the Aimpoint in that line of work. That was good enough for me. The other reason is the good peripheral visibility available with the EOTech.

As for the battery life issue, my rifle runs out of ammo and so I need to replace that on a regular basis. The AA batteries in my EOTechs are no big deal to replace after a few hundred hours, either.
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I run with EOTech and ACOG. The ACOG has the piggyback Docter red dot.

One reason I went with the EOTech is that I have two relatives who were both SEALs with recent combat experience using the EOTech. They told me that they preferred it over the Aimpoint in that line of work. That was good enough for me. The other reason is the good peripheral visibility available with the EOTech.

As for the battery life issue, my rifle runs out of ammo and so I need to replace that every time I shoot. So the AA batteries in my EOTechs are no big deal to replace after a few hundred hours either. If I neglected to do that, whoops, so sorry. And I go to the irons.
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I carried an M68 (aka Aimpoint) in Iraq and had two complaints-

1) Stupid thing kept turning on because brushing up against anything would do so. The batteries didn't last five years. I had to change them after a few months.

2) I probably didn't tighten the screws enough, and the round scope turned inside its mount. This resulted in the need to rezero... kind of disconcerting until I did so.

I bought an EoTech once I came home for my personal carbine.
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Holographic sights are open collimators
Red Dots are closed collimators.

The sight pictures are obviously different but the basic technology is identical.
OK, you lost me with that open/closed terminology.

A collimator is a device that lines things up or narrows their travel. In the case of an optical collimator, it lines up the particular waves to bring them more in a straight line toward the observer. For example, a reflex telescope is collimated by aligning the mirror with the objective lens.

An HWS has a collimating mirror that re-aligns the laser after it has been split so it goes straight through the holographic screen. Take a look at this pic:


The red dot has no such mirror. It doesn't need it because the LED used to create the dot is never split. The objective lens simply has a coating on it to reflect the dot back toward the shooter's eye. I guess you could say that the light from the LED is collimated with the line of aim.

Still, I'm curious as to what you mean by open or closed collimator.
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Oh yeah, about the ACOG. I think those depictions of the reticles are misleading. They look great in that pic above, but in reality they are super tiny. They need to be in order to be accurate, but man are they hard to see. In my opinion, they are just like the EOTech in this regard.

Here is a good, more realistic pic of the ACOG:


Here is one of an EOTech with the 4 dots:


10 years ago I would have loved both those reticles. Now I like the single dot better unless I have a scope with more than 3x magnification.
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I carried an M68 (aka Aimpoint) in Iraq and had two complaints-

1) Stupid thing kept turning on because brushing up against anything would do so. The batteries didn't last five years. I had to change them after a few months.

2) I probably didn't tighten the screws enough, and the round scope turned inside its mount. This resulted in the need to rezero... kind of disconcerting until I did so.

I bought an EoTech once I came home for my personal carbine.
M68 (CompM2) had those issues. CompM4 is rated for 8 years continuous use.

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EOTech reticle looks like it's canted left. Is that a real EOTech or knockoff.

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Eotech reticles are a bit busy for me, and the battery life isn't great.

That said, while I'd prefer an Aimpoint over an Eotech, I only own a C-more at this time.
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One reason I went with the EOTech is that I have two relatives who were both SEALs with recent combat experience using the EOTech. They told me that they preferred it over the Aimpoint in that line of work. That was good enough for me. The other reason is the good peripheral visibility available with the EOTech.
The best way I've heard it described, the difference between an EOTech and an Aimpoint, is:
EoTech if you're going to go hunt and fight people.
Aimpoint if you don't know when the fight might come to you.
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EOTech reticle looks like it's canted left. Is that a real EOTech or knockoff.
Seriously? It's a pic I snarfed off the web. I just looked until I found one of the 4 dot model. If you look at both photos they are canted from the computer's point of view, but they look OK to me if you correlate the reticle with the background. It doesn't really matter though. It was just to show a better view of how small the reticle really is.

Oh, yeah, it looks to me like the EOTech pic was taken through a multiplier.
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I like aim point. They are smaller and a bit more durable

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Seriously? It's a pic I snarfed off the web. I just looked until I found one of the 4 dot model. If you look at both photos they are canted from the computer's point of view, but they look OK to me if you correlate the reticle with the background. It doesn't really matter though. It was just to show a better view of how small the reticle really is.

Oh, yeah, it looks to me like the EOTech pic was taken through a multiplier.
Ok.

Comparing optic frame to reticle. Background has nothing to do with anything other than how the rifle is being held.
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Ok.

Comparing optic frame to reticle. Background has nothing to do with anything other than how the rifle is being held.
True dat. It could be a knock off. I don't really know. It does look exactly like the one I was looking at the other day though.
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Closed vs. open collimators.

Both have LED (light emitting diodes). Simply the generation of a beam of light to infinity. As the light travels farther away from its generation point, the beam of light will spread out like a fan, increasing the width or degress or arc if not controlled. A collimator controls and constricts the beam to a narrow controlled width. The differences are that open collimators have a screen and prisms which can change the reticule to whichever the shooter prefers for target acquisition. Closed collimators (contained in a tube) narrows and focuses the beam of light on a circular lense and the reticule is generally just a dot.

As we know both are completely parallax free at infinity, but are almost parallax free at known ranges, giving the operator fast target acquisition with both eyes open. Our brains generally focus with the dominant eye with no problems.

Radiation and laser equipment used in the health field also use collimators to focus the emitted beams on a small precise target area. Without the collimator, either beam or wave would be too broad to focus on the intended area of treatment.

So both open and closed collimators use the same theory. It is the fundamental part of the optic, not the screens or reticules that we prefer or chose to use.

I prefer the uncluttered single red beam, others prefer to use more sophisticated or busy reticule choices. There is no right answer, only which system an individual prefers, aside from charge life, etc. Note that either system does not widen or adjust the light beams, they actually restrict them from spreading. We can only change the intensity or brightness of the beams by providing more or less current to the LED, like a dimmer light fixture switch.This is they key factor, not the use of prisms and choices of reticules in the holographic system. Both types narrow the beams of light for fairly precise point of aim/impact.

From what I have read, the earliest collimator sights were actually used on machine guns and artillery in WWI. I know the Germans used collimated beams at different distance settings to bore sight their aircraft cannon during WWII. That was in essence, bore sighting. I'm not sure how we bore sighted the US weapons back then. Possibly, we used the same or similar devices.
Bore sights for hunting and target firearms are merely LED collimators.

That's the extent of my limited knowledge about them. I hope somebody can add more information.

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Thank you for attempting to describe what you're thinking. However, there are some mistakes.

If by "bore sight" you mean a device like this:

Then, no, that isn't a collimator. It is actually a laser. LASER is actually an acronym, Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

The EOTech uses a laser, not just a simple LED. Because the beam of the laser must be split to make it broad enough to paint the reticle. The splitting of the beam creates an angle that must then be corrected so the split beams are then parallel again. This is what the collimator in the EOTech does. Thus, the reticle of the EOTech is drawn just like the image on a TV screen. This is also why the EOTech reticle looks fuzzy. It's made up of many individual beams rather than just one light.

The red dot, like an Aimpoint, is just an LED. The light from the LED is not split. Therefore, it doesn't need to be collimated. It really is just reflected off the front lens. This is why the front lens of a red dot scope has that color to it when viewed from front to back, it has to have a reflective coating on it to work properly. In fact, the lack of any kind of collimation could be the reason a 1MOA reflex red dot is so rare.

The difference between the battery life is directly related to the light emission source. Because the laser takes so much more power, the battery life is significantly reduced. The LED by contrast, takes almost no power.

Based on your description, all collimators are "closed" collimators. I've never seen one that wasn't contained inside something.
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You should include the whole image set because image two is a little misleading.

Image 2


Image 3


Image two makes it look as though the Aimpoint is splitting the light when that's not exactly true. What they intend to show is that the single beam is coming straight back regardless of where the eye is. Image three shows that the light is not reflected straight back all the time in other manufacturer's optics because they use a single lens. So, the Aimpoint is not making two beams parallel, it's just ensuring that the one is parallel to the bore.

I say this in reference to the EOTech drawing which shows the laser being split and then collimated.

Here is a better pic of what happens in the collimation process:
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I just noticed that the EOTech is leading in the poll, but the Aimpoint seems to be leading in the comments.
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Image one and two is not misleading at all if you read what it is written next to it. But I see what you mean that it could be confused by just looking at the illustrations.

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What are you hinting at? That the typically lower prices of EOTech with regular rebate give aways to induce sales and zombie green paint & insignia XPS2 Zombie Stopper to improve the company image leaves little else for EOTech owners to post about? Or is it that EOTech owners are too busy reading the lengthy operating manual? (just kidding)

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T It really is just reflected off the front lens. This is why the front lens of a red dot scope has that color to it when viewed from front to back, it has to have a reflective coating on it to work properly.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the absolute crystal clear glass of the EOTech compared to dingy green/blue of the H1. Most folks don't notice it much but when you put the optics side by side there is a difference.


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I have an Aimpoint Pro in a LaRue QD mount and an Eotech EXPS 2-0. I prefer my Eotech. The Aimpoint sits in the safe until the Zombie Apocalypse happens - then I'll swap em out for better battery life.
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Seriously? It's a pic I snarfed off the web. I just looked until I found one of the 4 dot model. It doesn't really matter though. It was just to show a better view of how small the reticle really is.

Oh, yeah, it looks to me like the EOTech pic was taken through a multiplier.
Looks like a knock-off EO. Don't think there is a magnifier behind it.

My 552.XR308 has all the dots,windage and range numbers that can be VERY easily seen with a 3X magnifier and not too bad with out the magnifier.
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What are you hinting at? That the typically lower prices of EOTech with regular rebate give aways to induce sales and zombie green paint & insignia XPS2 Zombie Stopper to improve the company image leaves little else for EOTech owners to post about? Or is it that EOTech owners are too busy reading the lengthy operating manual? (just kidding)
That was exactly what I was hinting at. How did you know?

I also have to say that when I saw this...

I thought it was a Photoshop joke. Nope, they really make that model with that reticle.

It's one benefit (downfall?) of the HWS; they can make any reticle they want easily. I'm surprised there isn't a plethora of reticles like that. What? No Punisher reticle?



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One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the absolute crystal clear glass of the EOTech compared to dingy green/blue of the H1. Most folks don't notice it much but when you put the optics side by side there is a difference.
I gotta say, I'm glad you pointed this out. I didn't notice at all. I was in the store the other day and looked through several optics. They included EOTech, Aimpoint, Burris, C-More and some other brands I can't remember. I only held one at a time (probably store policy), but even looking at them one right after the other, I didn't notice a dramatic clarity difference. The EOTech is more clear because it doesn't need the coating on the lens. This coating is essentially a one way mirror. I suspect that's what causes the slight blue tinge.

I don't think it would be the deciding factor for me.
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