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Old 10-08-2014, 07:05 PM
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Hello guys i am new here and i have a question.I have to buy a rifle for HD/worst SHTF and im set on sport and arsenal ak(7.62/39) and nothing else.I really like the AR but i never shot one and im worry about reliability and cleaning in case of ****... i live in Est Europe close to Russia and with neighbors like them you never know when you have to let everything and go.

The price for sport is like 1200 euro(1550$) and the arsenal a little cheaper but the good things about the ak is i can get mags almost for free (dont ask how ). OR and MOE are out of subject since almost are like 2k each and the colt 3k+ so only ar i can afford will be the sport ( yes i know guys, living in Europe kinda sux ).
So i really appreciate if you share your opinion about both rifles especially reliability of the sport

PS: please excuse my english its not my native language so i try my best.Thanks.
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:45 PM
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Welcome to the forum. If the ak platform is more common of a rifle in your part of the world then the ak wins. Especially if magazines and ammo are cheaper. The sport is a great rifle, very reliable but the availability and cost would ultimately make my decision.
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You have nothing to apologize for with your English!

Sounds like you'd be a bit better off going AK where you are. I assume 7.62 is widely available in your area? That certainly helps.

I have both AR and AK/SKS platforms. Both are great, but i find myself shooting my sks rifles the most. Not meant to influence your opinion, just sharing.
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You live in Eastern Europe but only have access to a Arsenal AK? Are you talking about Arsenal Las Vegas or Arsenal Bulgaria? If I was in Eastern Europe I'd get the real AK, from whatever country you are in. Arsenal Bulgaria makes semi auto rifles for export. Arsenal Las Vegas is a different company affiliated with them. Get what's most common in your area.....rifles, mags, ammo.

Yea the Ukrainian thing is about as legitimate as 3 dollar bill
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Welcome!

You certainly have reason to be concerned.

Get whatever is most available and whatever you are most able to get ammo and accessories for that would cause least trouble in the event questions are asked.

Best wishes.
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Allain,
Welcome.
I, like Arik, wonder about the origin of the Arsenal rifle you refer to - Bulgaria versus Las Vegas? I have experience with both Arsenal imported Bulgarian AK's and Las Vegas Arsenal AK rifles and you will find excellent quality and reliability from either rifle. I prefer the stamped rifles to the milled. I prefer Chinese Norinco AK's to the Arsenal AK's. This weekend we were hitting better than 50% of our shots at 350 yards with a Chinese AK at a 12 inch target off a somewhat rickety bench using a microdot scope on an Ultimak rail. We were also shooting a Colt 6940 with open sight with about similar results. I have no experience with The Sport rifle but I do have experience with the various Colt AR-15's and they are all very accurate and reliable. I would expect the Sport would be accurate and reliable. Based upon what I've read at this forum about the Sport rifle it should be a good rifle.
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Allain,

Your English is much better than most Americans are at any second language, myself included.

Personally, for HD/SHTF I would give first consideration to what ammo is most common and likely to be available if you have to scrounge or find ammo. Then I would select a rifle that uses that ammo. Same thing for parts and accessories. If you have access to mags for an AK, that might be a tipping point for me.

If your rifle and ammo are common with those around you, you can re supply and repair easier.
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First thanks for your kind welcome guys

Well, officially the rifle will be registered as hunting rifle, its the only way i can legally get 300 cartridge( stupid laws ) but people can buy lot more, just don' t store at the same closet where you keep the rifles when the police come and check your guns.It happen only when you get the first rifle then they wont came back not even care how many cartridge you have on other room.

And i live 7 miles away factory(i worked couple of months on CNC making the scope mount)where WASR are made but our smart *** congressmen fear us and won't allow to have our homemade AK as licensed hunting rifle.The irony is we can buy other countries AK, again stupid laws against us and our national factory.

The prices of 7.62/39 is slightly cheap vs 223 bit not very much:
- 7.62/39 for like 1.3$ / cartridge
- 223 for 1.6 $ / cartridge

The parts are out of subject even if its an bulgy ak(don't know if WASR parts work on bulgarian ak since WASR are lower quality) or any AR15 for the fact we don't have no one on entire country sell ak/ar parts. If you want something, you have to go Italy or Germany.The good thing about AK is our military still use the soviet cartridge and in one case(1989 revolution) people had riot the military depot and got lot of rifles and ammo.Not plan on doing that, just saying

One last question: is the bulgy 7.62 ak accepting wasr magazines?

Here less then 0.1 % own guns mostly hunters and some collector and government try hard to keep that way.

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First thanks for your kind welcome guys

..........registered as hunting rifle, its the only way i can legally get 300 cartridge( stupid laws )..........

........ but our smart *** congressmen fear us and won't allow to have our homemade AK ........The irony is we can buy other countries AK, again stupid laws .......

- 7.62/39 for like 1.3$ / cartridge
- 223 for 1.6 $ / cartridge

.......don't know if WASR parts work on bulgarian ak since WASR are lower quality) or any AR15 for the fact we don't have no one on entire country sell ak/ar parts.............

One last question: is the bulgy 7.62 ak accepting wasr magazines?

Here less then 0.1 % own guns mostly hunters and some collector and government try hard to keep that way.
Allain,
You are welcome.

Some of our congressmen also seem to fear us in the U.S. but fortunately we have the Second Amendment in our Constitution and fortunately, for the most part, our right "to keep and bear arms" has not been severely infringed.

Stamped WASR parts should, for the most part, work on stamped metal Bulgarian AK's. The Bulgarian AK will accept all double stack AK magazines. In the U.S. there are WASR's that accept only single-stack magazines but I suspect the magazines you have access to are double stack?

Even though I prefer Chinese AK's I recommend you stay away from them as their receivers are 1.5 mm thick and most other stamped steel AK's are made from 1.0 mm steel and some parts do not interchange well. I also recommend you stay away from newer Russian made "AK's". The Saiga rifle parts do not interchange as easily with some AK parts. Some people think the Russian VEPRs are AKs but they do no accept regular AK magazines and their parts do not interchange.

Are the prices you give for the 7.62 x 39 and the .223 (5.56 x 45) cartridges in U.S. dollars or in Euros or some other currency? If so, Wow! That is expensive ----- about 5 times what we pay in the U.S. . In the U.S. we can get 7.62 x39 cartridges for 0.25 U.S. dollars or 0.20 Euros and .223 for 0.35 U.S. dollars and .28 Euros.

If it was me I would be getting the Bulgarian AK over the Sport because I guess the 7.62 x 39 ammo and AK magazines are much easier to get but I could be mistaken in my guess. Which Bulgarian / Arsenal model number are you looking at?

I enjoy learning about life in other countries so thank you for your questions and information you have provided. Please take no offense but reading your post makes me glad I live in the U.S.

Best Wishes,
John
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