Got a M&P 15 a while back, do not like the stock!

I think it's neat, being adjustable, but looking through a scope, the objective lense is too close to my eye, to give any relief.

QUESTION: Is there any replacement full length stock that doesn't require any changing to a A1 or A2 buffer. that gets bolted on exactly like the factory one, using all factory hardware.

(I would prefer Magpul)

any great threads on doing this with part numbers if I have to change to A1 or A2.

I'm not tech savvy on stocks for a AR-15, and saw some threads where changing the stock could change how the weapon functions.

Before you go changing the stock, what kind of scope do you have? What mounts? And how is it mounted on your receiver?

Actually, my rifle with an A2 stock is about a half inch shorter than my other with a Magpul CTR stock.

Eye relief issues are typically addressed with a one piece cantilever scope mount that pushes the optic forward. There's endless choices from lots of vendors like top shelf LaRue to inexpensive Primary Arms.

I have a Nikon Coyote Special. With 1 inch high weaver mounts.

and I have a brass catcher mounted on the picatinny mount that is permanently mounted.

I will have to post a photo.

I still would like to change the stock.

and will have to check into the cantilever scope mount, that will be the first thing I will change. I paid out for the Scope, but kinda got a cheap set of scope rings.

I've seen Nikon cantilever scope mounts, but never really knew the purpose behind the way they were made.

so are you saying Magpul makes 0 stocks that are a direct fit replacement in full length size?

I forget who made the ammo catcher, but it mounts where the scope does and has two pins where it can be removed and emptied. It's a soft bag type can't remember who makes it.

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It's hard to see but another photo of the brass catcher

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Never mind I remember now, it's a 3Bucc brass catcher, it was really easy to install and works great for catching brass

What I said is that my CTR stock (extended) is a bit longer than my A2.

Take a look at this page to get an idea of how far a cantilever scope mount can push forward the scope. Unless you are built like ET, the mount is the solution rather than stock length. Though you might find some extended butt pads to help.

Scope Mounts | Primary Arms

If the objective lens is too close to your face, you're looking at the wrong end lol
(Ocular is what you meant)

Prob is scope mount, not buttstock.

another reason I was considering a full length stock is how the M&P 15 fits in my gun cabinet.

I have to adjust the stock to full length to get it to set up right in my gun cabinet. I was hoping the full-length would make it to a rifle length stock.

I do however like how compact the OE stock makes the gun, and easy to carry.

the extended butt pad will probably give the rifle just enough added length to fit properly in the gun cabinet. and is probably all I will need.

do you know which butt stock pads will work with the OE stock on the M&P 15?

I was looking at the LimbSaver AR-15/M4 Snap-On Recoil Pad

I'm guessing the OE stock on the M&P15 , could be classified as a M4 stock, correct?

The stock that come with the rifle could be considered an M4 stock.

Looking at your photos, your scope is mount way too far back. I'm with the others in suggesting a cantilever scope mount to move the scope forward.

Are there any cantilever scope mounts that are tall enough to where you can use the iron sights that came on the M&P15?

That scope is way too far back. A fixed stock isn't any longer. I would do one of 3 things.
1. Dump the brass catcher and set up the scope properly
2. Add railed handguards to move the scope forward
3. Cantilever mount

Any scope mounts that would allow you to use the irons on an AR are going to be way too tall to get a good cheek weld on the stock.

This is the first time I've ever heard of someone wanting to change a stock because of the way it fits in a gun cabinet. The gun should fit you.

If it is too short to stand in the cabinet correctly, set it on a box of shotgun shells.

That is a big freaking scope with presumably ridiculously high magnification.
Every new AR owner would benefit first from sitting down, and seriously thinking about what it is they want the rifle to do. Sorry, "being the best at everything" is not an acceptable answer.

You have there a big and heavy scope, a bipod, a brass catcher AND a sling.
What distances are you shooting at? Do you use the sling? Everything else about your setup screams "range bench gun". In that case, you needn't try to make iron sights work simultaneously.

That scope needs to move like 3" or so forward. I would recommend a Primary Arms Deluxe Extended scope mount. Well, in all honesty I would first recommend a scope that isn't such a behemoth, but if you're set on that scope, that mount will work for you.

No. And it's a poor idea to attempt to jack up the optic so high that it clears the irons for use. Get a quick disconnect mount if you want quick access to irons.

Don't try to outthink it. Get the scope properly mounted for use, not to accommodate a hanging brass bag or shelf in a safe.

I think I would run out of adjustment on the scope if I got rings any taller than a inch.

I think the Cantilever mount is what I will be getting, along with a stock pad.

I think someone asked about the scopes magnification, its some type of varmint scope. 12 x magnification. and it has a threaded insert on the other end of the scope, that helps block out the sun, if hunting in the evening.

I'm just hoping the Cantilever mount doesn't push the scope into the front sight, that is something I don't want to have to remove either.

This inset came with the scope, I put it on, kind of neat, and it fits under my flip up butler creek scope cover.

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actually now that I know its a M4 stock, Magpul has quite a few M4 replacement stocks. no modifications or extra parts needed.

Yes, but they aren't going to change the length of pull... the solution to your problem is still moving the scope forward.

I'll post a photo when I get the new scope mount. thanks guys.

You really want the rear of the scope to be even with or just forward of the charging handle. I use a Nikon P223 two piece cantilever mount. It's about half the price of the one piece M223, and decently made. I think I paid about $40 for the mount at a local store.

Looking at that pic, I'm curious why you haven't at least pushed the scope forward in the rings you have now?

Looks like bubble wrap.

That's what I was thinking. It looks like you have at least 1.5" to move forward. You dont need the ring up against the turret housing.

To clarify, you need to measure your existing stock at full extension and compare it to a rifle stock like an A2. It may already be longer than many rifle stocks. I have the Ace 9.9" stock, one of my carbine stocks is e same length, the other is 1/2" longer fully extended.

That looks like a no flash cover but something doesn't look right. Is that a protective film over the honey comb? If so, remove it so you can see out.

A no flash cover prevents your target from seeing a flash from sun reflection off your objective lens on the scope.

Yes that what I would classify it as, the way its made you wouldnt think you could see out of it, but it came with the scope, and it threads into the scope. No protective film on it.

I got the 4x scope, because if it were less magnification, less than 4x, I would see the front sight through the scope.

I also read that the military doesn't use A2 stocks because of the length, the M4 can be adjusted. Thanks for the info, that would be a wasted effort on my part, just to have the same length stock, plus, not being adjustable,

Because of the brass catcher, and where the two scope rings are mounted, the scope cannot be pushed any further forward without 'maxing out' on the back scope ring. it simply cannot be pushed forward any further. I think my best bet is going to be a cantilever scope mount. If worse comes to worse, I'll have to remove the brass catcher. Tactical brass recovery has some brass catchers that mount and pivot on a side rail.

Tactical Brass Recovery

Lets back up........ that's a "honking big" scope.........

how about some details on the scope and why you chose it.........

I have bad vision, haha, no seriously, I have never had a red dot scope on anything but a shotgun. If I were going to get a red dot scope, it would have to have a magnifier behind it.

I have shot the iron sights out to 50 yards, when I first got the gun, to shoot some explosive targets, it was fun, and the factory iron peep sights are really accurate.

I just like shooting targets a little further away than 50 yards.

just a side note I have a red dot scope on my Remington 12 gauge now, and it has a weaver see through scope mount on it, to use the factory sight as well as the red dot sight. and yes it has a magnifier on the red dot scope, that came with the scope, to see a little further. but it can be removed. it threads into the scope.

Burris has a quick release cantilever scope mount that costs around 150 bucks and actually works rather well. It's what I keep in the range bag for my 300 Blackout when I want to work up a new load because I load for accuracy and not muzzle velocity. The rest of the time the Blackout wears irons because I like the challenge of shooting Old School and it weighs less.

A2 stocks, they are actually shorter than the standard 6 position collapsible stocks at full extension. Yeah, they look longer but they aren't. I have an A2 stock on my 20 inch precision rifle so I know first hand about the difference. BTW, the 11 lbs weight of my precision rifle is one reason why I went with irons on my Blackout, it's a whole lot easier to hold steady shooting offhand with a 6 lbs. rifle.

Brass catcher. I use a velcro attached Caldwell brass catcher on all my AR's and they actually work quite well. At the gun club I shoot at in the summer a removable brass catcher is also essential, because when the line is called cold the action has to be locked with the bolt open and chamber visible for inspection. These aren't very expensive so you may want to look into getting one because it will provide a bit more freedom for mounting your scope.

Finally, if you simply want more reach the obvious answer is to add a pad to your stock.

Waaay too far back, so much so I'm not sure even a cantilever mount will get it forward enough if you keep that brass catcher on and how you say it needs mounting. Also, I'm not a fan of mounting optics on handguards, just saying.

Ditch the brass catcher is my thought.

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First step .......

put the rings as far forward on the lower/picatinny rail..... then mount the scope as far forward as possible.......limited by the front sight and rings........see if that works any better.....

If that doesn't work ....... we go from there..................

I'm gonna go with troll.