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Going one step further, for home defense purposes, I feel it imperative to have (at a minimum) a good (white) light for any firearms designated for that task. Anything additional in that regard is gravy.
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Question for you: Do you believe attaching the light to the weapon is a good idea? I originally attached mine to the gun but decided I wasn't necessarily comfortable pointing the gun at things just to see.
My thought on this has evolved to having a light on the weapon as a back up but having a small light to carry in the other hand.
Not trying to hijack my own thread so I didn't want to derail into other topics. Obviously there are tons of places to find answers to this but I was curious on your opinion
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I like diversity in my rifle's. I have 1 S&W M&P 15 T, 1 Springfield Ultra Match, 1 Remington 5 R, 1 Steyr AUG 16", 1 Browning .22lr. Sold all the others, they just take up to much space. Leaves more room for my handguns.
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Question for you: Do you believe attaching the light to the weapon is a good idea? I originally attached mine to the gun but decided I wasn't necessarily comfortable pointing the gun at things just to see.
My thought on this has evolved to having a light on the weapon as a back up but having a small light to carry in the other hand.
Not trying to hijack my own thread so I didn't want to derail into other topics. Obviously there are tons of places to find answers to this but I was curious on your opinion
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Hey, it's your thread....... go where you want to go.
Don't plan on doing any house clearing......but ya I've got a light on my Beretta CX-4 and on a Beretta 92.(Streamlight TLR-1 on the carbine and a TLR-3 on the handgun) cus you have to ID something and everything you might want to break....... but I also have a regular flashlight for just looking.
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Question for you: Do you believe attaching the light to the weapon is a good idea? I originally attached mine to the gun but decided I wasn't necessarily comfortable pointing the gun at things just to see.
My thought on this has evolved to having a light on the weapon as a back up but having a small light to carry in the other hand.
Not trying to hijack my own thread so I didn't want to derail into other topics. Obviously there are tons of places to find answers to this but I was curious on your opinion
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I think having a weapon light on a long gun helps. (I use a handheld Surefire for my pistols or revolver.)
There is sufficient spill from the light to identify a person / target by pointing in the area without aiming directly at center of mass.
I don't think I'd want to operate my shotgun or rifle one handed if I had the ability to mount a small light such as the Streamlight TLR-1 HL I have mounted on the M&P15. (Surefire forend/light on the 870.)
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Question for you: Do you believe attaching the light to the weapon is a good idea?
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In general, yes I do. Because I need to use two hands to operate a long gun, mounting a light to a long gun is the only option. On a handgun, it's debatable. I swing between the two schools of thought. Because of that, I practice with both a weapon mounted light and a hand held light.
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Seems to me the light on the end of your rifle helps the bad guy aim to return fire. Do they make a lens that looks like a bullseye?
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Thanks guys. That makes sense.
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Seems to me the light on the end of your rifle helps the bad guy aim to return fire. Do they make a lens that looks like a bullseye?
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I see lots of lights on guns run by SWAT and the military. But then again, what do they know . . .
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Seems to me the light on the end of your rifle helps the bad guy aim to return fire. Do they make a lens that looks like a bullseye?
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Comrad, you might think that but in reality the numbers don't seem to bear it out. I have trained SRT with my own agency as well as SAS, SEALS, GSG-9, and numerous other state and local agencies. Each utilized mounted weapon lights on a variety of firearms.
You probably have a much better chance of disorienting and potentially disabling a bad guy with a burst of brilliant light than have him immediately return fire on your weapon light.
Light up the threat with a quick flash, move and take appropriate action per the circumstances. You know your home terrain better than your foe. Use that knowledge to your advantage.
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Just because I have a light on my firearm does not mean I have to employ the light. I can choose when I employ and where I aim that bright light.
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I see lots of lights on guns run by SWAT and the military. But then again, what do they know . . .
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They also typically have hard plate body armor...
All I'm saying is that I am not military nor SWAT. My survival strategy is as a civilian. I'm not looking to get into a running gun fight. I'm looking to use cover, evade, and escape. I'm doing anything I can to diminish my target profile. Because I'm not wearing body armor, a kevlar helmet, with a medical corpsman or Paramedics on standby, I have to be thoughtful and careful in the application of my light/laser.
Everyone has to figure it out for themselves and do what they think is best.
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If you are going to put a light on your rifle, I would get one with a pressure switch so it can be instantaneously turned on and off. That is personal opinion.
Like stated above, flash the light to identify the target (if needed) and move. At minimum, drop to a crouch if movement is limited. But this is all generalization and each scenario will be different.
Also, if it's dark enough to need a light, the target will be to busy trying to adjust to the illumination changes to be able to do much.
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My long term goal is to have a cache of AR's that may not even be shot for the next 2 or 3 decades after the initial purchase and break in. They will sit in a safe either at my house or at my sister in laws place awaiting the "Terminator Judgement Day" scenario.
I simply want to aquire and prepare.
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I think I understand what you're saying. But in an effort to save you money, 2 or 3 ARs will be enough (plus a few pistols). As long as you can get to one, and to ammo, when the SHTF, then you're good. Don't forget plenty of gun cleaning products. And don't store the ammo in a hot environment. Heat kills ammo.
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Seems to me the light on the end of your rifle helps the bad guy aim to return fire. Do they make a lens that looks like a bullseye?
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A light on your rifle is not so much for touring/tooling around with the rifle but to help you quickly identify your target and accurately place your shot or shots on target. It helps you to line up your sights. The rifle light really should only come on momentarily to identify that you have the proper target and to ensure that you have a sight picture when you pull the trigger, whether it is a two legged or four legged predator.
If you don't have access to night vision equipment, try to get a sight picture on a night with no moonlight or outside lights, or inside a house or building with no lights on; you won't be able to see your front sight.
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I think I understand what you're saying. But in an effort to save you money, 2 or 3 ARs will be enough (plus a few pistols). As long as you can get to one, and to ammo, when the SHTF, then you're good. Don't forget plenty of gun cleaning products. And don't store the ammo in a hot environment. Heat kills ammo.
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I just watched 13 Hours. Going to need a dozen AR's now....
Seriously though.....I am not worried about the money portion of it. IMO, spending an extra $6-8,000 or even $10k to accomplish my goal, it will be a good insurance policy. But that's just me.
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Seriously though.....I am not worried about the money portion of it. IMO, spending an extra $6-8,000 or even $10k to accomplish my goal, it will be a good insurance policy. But that's just me.
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Do what you think is best for you.
If this is the path you wish to take, go for it. My suggestions:
1. Buy the necessary tools to build your own AR-15. You can then build rifles for specific purposes to your exact specifications.
2. Save your spent brass. Take a reloading class. Buy a decent turret or progressive press and learn to use it.
Building your own AR-15 and learning to reload are complimentary activities. You can then specifically build an AR-15 with the best potential for accuracy and then custom load ammunition to match your needs.
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Don't overlook the importance of having good tools and spare parts on hand. Of course, ammo and mags are going to be just as important, and given the election next year, you may want to buy those sooner than later as prices are sure to go up as the election draws near.
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Lots of good stuff. Thanks guys.
I just bought 3 Anderson lowers that a guy had a good deal on because of the advice I got here. I have a buddy that wants to start building AR's and loading ammo (he spent a ton of money on loading gear) so we will likely explore this together. Might be fun.
I do plan on buying a bunch of 30 round mags. At least a few dozen. at $13 a pop, it's also good insurance.
Again, I don't plan to ever sell anything I buy. Just going to get a really big safe.
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What are your thoughts on storing ammo? I've read that you shouldnt keep it in the safe. makes sense I guess. You'd hope the safe would prevent it from getting hot enough to destroy your guns due to the ammo catching on fire/smoldering etc. But apparently not.
I have 7 brand new (plastic) ammo cans to fill. I suppose I could just store most of them in my basement, which would be far from my safe and less likely that a break in would find. Which is my biggest concern by the time I end up with thousands and thousands of rounds.
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Ammo cans with a desiccant pack are what most people use for storage, but I dare say that the metal cans are what are ideal for obvious reasons.
If you have any fire concerns then buying a used deep freezer may be the way to go as that is about the best fire protection you can get for your ammo.
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I have been buying and selling guns since 1962. I prefer quality over quantity. I am not a collector and do not have an arsenal. I am an accumulator.
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Follow the manual. Find a credible, experienced reloader to mentor you. Do not chase the top end of the charge weights. Measure and double check everything. Be sure to incorporate several quality control checks into your process. Reloading requires absolute attention to detail and focus. One slip up and you can get into trouble. I had to learn this the hard way. Don't learn it the hard way.
I walked away with a scratch on my hand and soiled underpants. I got lucky. I didn't maim myself. I didn't blind myself. I didn't injure anyone else on the firing line. I developed an aversion to reloading .357 Magnum that I never got over.
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I have 7 of those plastic ammo cans. They're filled. I got the little dessicant packs in them. I learned that as long as I store the ammo in my normal climate controlled home, I'm good. Lately, I just store cases of ammo in the original carton. I store all my factory ammo in its original factory containers. The factory containers contain production lot numbers. If a factory round of ammo causes catastrophic failure of your firearm, you'll need that box with the production lot numbers.
You want to see something? This is a stack of .22lr ammo that is about 47 years old. I was born, and my mom and dad stopped going to the range because they had more important things to do with their time. Ammo can went in the basement. My dad died in 1984. The ammo can sat forgotten in the basement, in the same spot, in the crawlspace. The basement can get moist. Cool moist.
Boxes had some crud on them. Some projectiles had white oxidation on the exposed lead. Some of the brass cases were tarnished. Effect on the ammo? None. Oddly enough this old ammo has more potential for accuracy and precision than today's ammo.
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Wow John. That must have been a "bear" load. I feel a bit better about not reloading.
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if you are getting into reloading, a good place to start is on youtube with 76highboy. He has a play list that goes step by step and why you need to do those steps for loading .223 Remington and (separate series) straight walled pistol. Both are very good series to go through and learn.
Like mentioned above, getting with an experienced re-loader would be a good thing too. There are things that a video series on Youtube can't cover or get over looked no matter how much they try to pay attention to detail.
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That was loading near the top of the charge weight, inattention, and an overcharge. There is nothing as rewarding as shooting a round of ammunition you made yourself. The only reason I stopped is that I no longer have the quality time to devote to reloading.
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I agree with reloading and have been stocking up on components to make ammo more than spare firearms. I suggest and plan to get an M&P 10 for hunting in a shtf scenario mainly. You will need to be able to take deer and wild boar etc to help feed the group. In the situation you describe, you may want a very light weight AR15 for the person on watch. walking the compound for hours at a time gets old with a heavy rifle.
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I agree with reloading and have been stocking up on components to make ammo more than spare firearms. I suggest and plan to get an M&P 10 for hunting in a shtf scenario mainly. You will need to be able to take deer and wild boar etc to help feed the group. In the situation you describe, you may want a very light weight AR15 for the person on watch. walking the compound for hours at a time gets old with a heavy rifle.
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While I won't discourage you from getting a M&P 10, it really isn't needed for hunting. Deer and hog can be taken with a .223... I've done it.
If you are building an arsenal for TEOTWAWKI a bolt gun can be cheaper.
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True, but I've seen the videos of hogs taking several rounds and still charging so I would feel better with a semi-auto.
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I think if you start buying multiples of the exact same gun, you will attract attention to yourself as being some sort terrorist, anarchist or sociopath. You certainly have the right to do it, but building a collection is lot more palatable, than building an arsenal. Take a breath.
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People buy all sorts of guns but don't have hardly enough ammo stockpiled. In that case you are better off buying heavy guns to use as hammers to hit intruders with.
It isn't hard to drop a couple grand on just ammo alone.
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I think if you start buying multiples of the exact same gun, you will attract attention to yourself as being some sort terrorist, anarchist or sociopath. You certainly have the right to do it, but building a collection is lot more palatable, than building an arsenal. Take a breath.
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How would be attracting attention to myself? I've bought from about 5 different FFL's and a few individuals.
Outside of a few friends that think similarly and immediate family, no one knows my plans.
(of course that doesn't include the thousands of you guys )
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While I won't discourage you from getting a M&P 10, it really isn't needed for hunting. Deer and hog can be taken with a .223... I've done it.
If you are building an arsenal for TEOTWAWKI a bolt gun can be cheaper.
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I would think quieter would be better. No need to scare off all the game animals and let everyone know for miles where you are when a bow & arrow would suffice. Not to mention the wasted/damaged meat from a bullet impact. Survival of the fittest goes beyond superior firepower.
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I would think quieter would be better. No need to scare off all the game animals and let everyone know for miles where you are when a bow & arrow would suffice. Not to mention the wasted/damaged meat from a bullet impact. Survival of the fittest goes beyond superior firepower.
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I'm not that good with a bow... maybe one of these things is the answer.
* Introducing The Benjamin Pioneer Airbow
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I think it depends on where you live if you believe you will be able to feed yourself by hunting. Every person that owns a gun will also be trying to feed their family. Game will quickly disappear.
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Back when the country was wanting people to push out into the frontier, they were giving parcels of land roughly about 100-120 acres in size. That is pretty much the minimum to support a family off the land. If you have a bunch of other people trying to live off the same land, yeah, food will get used up quickly.
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Back when the country was wanting people to push out into the frontier, they were giving parcels of land roughly about 100-120 acres in size. That is pretty much the minimum to support a family off the land. If you have a bunch of other people trying to live off the same land, yeah, food will get used up quickly.
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I think it depends on where you live if you believe you will be able to feed yourself by hunting. Every person that owns a gun will also be trying to feed their family. Game will quickly disappear.
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I would think quieter would be better. No need to scare off all the game animals and let everyone know for miles where you are when a bow & arrow would suffice. Not to mention the wasted/damaged meat from a bullet impact. Survival of the fittest goes beyond superior firepower.
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An "arsenal" may include the need for suppressors.
I can understand the OP's desire to outfit a small army should the need arise. I will say, however, without training on whatever rifles you are stocking will be ineffective. If you do start buying these rifles do not just simply put them away for a rainy day. Get your family/group together a couple times a year to train and shoot them. In this case, a few rifles might suffice as you stock up on ammo and magazines. You may easily use a case of Ammo for each "training" session. I wouldn't go less than 3 magazines (ideally 6) for each rifle.
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Way out here in the Boondocks, "city" people fear those things that go bump in the night for good reason.
With the proper skills you can live comfortable. No skills, the elements will get you before the critters do.
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Don't underestimate the number of "City People" that hunt. It is more than what you would think. I live in the burbs where most guys in my neighborhood hunt with gun and bow. Ocean fishing is also very big here. But once the game and fish run out, people will expand into the wilderness to hunt.
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Come on now. Ya can't call it an "Arsenal" unless it contains a few items that are belt fed.
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People buy all sorts of guns but don't have hardly enough ammo stockpiled. In that case you are better off buying heavy guns to use as hammers to hit intruders with.
It isn't hard to drop a couple grand on just ammo alone.
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Oh, the days when I only had a couple grand's worth of ammo. How my bank account misses those days.
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Don't underestimate the number of "City People" that hunt. It is more than what you would think. I live in the burbs where most guys in my neighborhood hunt with gun and bow. Ocean fishing is also very big here. But once the game and fish run out, people will expand into the wilderness to hunt.
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No worries. I didn't get this old underestimating people. I know tons of hunters. The other thing people are forgetting. If your "normal" hunting area is a hour-couple hour drive away... You can drive farther in an hour than you can walk in a day. Not including needed "gear" to survive the trip. It's a BIG wilderness out there. How much energy are you willing to expend searching for something that probably won't be there (or already taken), IF you can even find it ??? Then you have to get it back to your group. I'm not even going to mention competition from other not so friendly groups that already have the area staked out.
Look what a squad or small platoon stuffs on their back for gear and takes off on foot for a medium range mission. Most people couldn't carry a bag of cat litter across the street.
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Refilling stations already are few and far between. 8 Shots before needing a fill, I think it said.
And with an MSRP about the same as the new Serbu 50bmg . . . . hmmmmm
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No worries. I didn't get this old underestimating people. I know tons of hunters. The other thing people are forgetting. If your "normal" hunting area is a hour-couple hour drive away... You can drive farther in an hour than you can walk in a day. Not including needed "gear" to survive the trip. It's a BIG wilderness out there. How much energy are you willing to expend searching for something that probably won't be there (or already taken), IF you can even find it ??? Then you have to get it back to your group. I'm not even going to mention competition from other not so friendly groups that already have the area staked out.
Look what a squad or small platoon stuffs on their back for gear and takes off on foot for a medium range mission. Most people couldn't carry a bag of cat litter across the street.
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I'd have to agree with you on that. My brother-in-law is an exception, he will go to Alaska and rough it for a month at a time. The time he is home, he is working 7/12's with his own company to be able to take the time off. I can hunt across the street from my house, but the game will quickly be gone. 1 mile to my west is a million acre reserve loaded with deer and a few bear. It is said that there are more deer in our state now as compared to when the settlers came. Much more manicured lawns and plants for them to eat. Lately the coyote have been culling the herds.
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Refilling stations already are few and far between. 8 Shots before needing a fill, I think it said.
And with an MSRP about the same as the new Serbu 50bmg . . . . hmmmmm
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Yes, depending on what the end of days scenario is, I could have trouble filling the thing... but it looks like a fun toy.
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My collection/arsenal just gained a new one!!
Just won a raffle...kind of....a friend won and wanted the cash option so I gave them the cash and I get the rifle. So for $475 I get a Remington 700 CDL SF 300 Win Mag.
Thought that was way too good of a deal to pass up.
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Yes, depending on what the end of days scenario is, I could have trouble filling the thing... but it looks like a fun toy.
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You need to get a bicycle tire pump...
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I think if you start buying multiples of the exact same gun, you will attract attention to yourself as being some sort terrorist, anarchist or sociopath. You certainly have the right to do it, but building a collection is lot more palatable, than building an arsenal. Take a breath.
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You would actually be suprised how little attention it does attract in some areas.
Additionally, if all your guns/rifles look alike you won't be in trouble from your spouse as she won't realize how many you have bought, unless she sees them all together at the same time.
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I'd have to agree with you on that. My brother-in-law is an exception, he will go to Alaska and rough it for a month at a time. The time he is home, he is working 7/12's with his own company to be able to take the time off. I can hunt across the street from my house, but the game will quickly be gone. 1 mile to my west is a million acre reserve loaded with deer and a few bear. It is said that there are more deer in our state now as compared to when the settlers came. Much more manicured lawns and plants for them to eat. Lately the coyote have been culling the herds.
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New Jersey has a wildlife reserve that comprises about 1/5 of the entire state?
Edit: Never mind. I found my own answer. You don't exactly have a traditional reserve. Taken from National Park Service website.
It's classified as a United States Biosphere Reserve and in 1978 was established by Congress as the country’s first National Reserve. It includes portions of seven southern New Jersey counties, and encompasses over one-million acres of farms, forests and wetlands. It contains 56 communities, from hamlets to suburbs, with over 700,000 permanent residents.
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