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Old 05-07-2017, 08:17 PM
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The only problem with 9mm carbines is self defense ammo. I know someone high up at Federal. When I bought my Hi Point 9mm carbine he told me to try HST 147gr standard pressure or Gold Dot 124+P. JHP ammo is made for handgun velocities. 147 gains less speed from the longer barrel so there is less chance of shedding it's jacket. The other choice is a bonded bullet like the Gold Dots. My 995TS has been flawless and fun to shoot. I have other rifles, but would not hesitate to use the 9mm carbine to defend myself. FYI, the 20 round Red Ball mags are a great addition to the Hi Point.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:09 PM
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Unfortunately, I am thinking about swapping to a glock because I only care about home defense, and the bottom falling out on everything. If it does, I only want to have one type of ammunition to be concerned about. Carrying multiple cal doesn't work well for that...

Hell, give me a a damn SD adapter kit for a basic 5.56 lower. I'm sure that we can find an upper AR9 to fit. Or my noob *** could be completely wrong on that part. Wouldn't be a first.
Well, if the bottom really falls out on everything, it won't be like the Night of the Living Dead, more likely the National Guard and Army units everywhere, curfew, armored vehicles on intersections, and the total ban on guns.

Anyway, to me a likely SHTF situation is something localized - someone breaking into your house, or a rioting crowd. Ferguson or New Orleans.

My #1 defense against both would be geography.

That said, a Glock is - IMHO - a significantly better SD weapon for inside the house than an AR, and possibly even better than a shotgun.

It easier to quickly maneuver in tight spaces, easier to control, easier to keep locked up yet quickly available, the 9mm SD round is plenty powerful at short distances, and I never felt that a 17 rd mag didn't give me enough firepower. And you can of course go with .40 or 45 or even 10mm if you feel you need a bazooka.

Where a long gun is more desirable is in case of a violent riot, when you're trying to keep assailants from entering your home in first place. At the range I can reliably hit the target with my G17 at 50 yards, but it's significantly easier to do with a rifle, especially when your heart is pumping at double the rate. But again, realistically, you're not going to have battlefield-like shootouts at extended ranges, so a shotgun may again be the preferred solution - with slugs, it's accurate enough to at least 100 yards, and when loaded with shot, it's a very deadly weapon at short to medium range.

I honestly don't see much added value in a 9mm carbine as a HD weapon over a good 9mm pistol. For fun & plinking, sure. But for HD, my preferred gun is my G17 or G26, since I own both. If I could only have one, I'd get a G26 and a couple 17 rd mags. A lot of people, myself included, shoot G26 as well as the full size G17.

But then, what would a $700 AR15 9mm carbine offer over a $300 Hi-Point 9mm carbine ?

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Old 05-08-2017, 02:31 PM
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Referencing back to my earlier post (#15) ......9mm carbine "no added value"...ya; we can't have full auto....... but ... what about the H&K MP5 and Uzi; and who can forget the Sten,Sterling, MP-38 and 42.

With 4 points of contact (hands, cheek and shoulder) and a red dot.......one can "pump out" 3-5 round "bursts" from a Beretta CX4 Storm at 300-400rpm....getting tight fist size groups at 40-50 yds.

20-30 round factory mags and can be paired up with a Beretta 92.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:40 PM
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Referencing back to my earlier post (#15) ......9mm carbine "no added value"...ya; we can't have full auto....... but ... what about the H&K MP5 and Uzi; and who can forget the Sten,Sterling, MP-38 and 42.

With 4 points of contact (hands, cheek and shoulder) and a red dot.......one can "pump out" 3-5 round "bursts" from a Beretta CX4 Storm at 300-400rpm....getting tight fist size groups at 40-50 yds.

20-30 round factory mags and can be paired up with a Beretta 92.
Not to start an argument, but none of these weapons would make sense for their intended users - or be made at all - without full auto. Their whole reason for being was to provide a lot of close to medium range suppressive firepower in a small package. Half of these guns don't even shoot in semi-auto in the original military version.

As to the "added value", my question wasn't on the added value of 9mm carbines as a class, but more on why to choose an AR15 carbine - which is pretty much guaranteed to cost at least around $600 - over a $300 Hi-Point carbine, in something that's a pretty niche market.
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Not to start an argument, but none of these weapons would make sense for their intended users - or be made at all - without full auto. Their whole reason for being was to provide a lot of close to medium range suppressive firepower in a small package. Half of these guns don't even shoot in semi-auto in the original military version.

As to the "added value", my question wasn't on the added value of 9mm carbines as a class, but more on why to choose an AR15 carbine - which is pretty much guaranteed to cost at least around $600 - over a $300 Hi-Point carbine, in something that's a pretty niche market.
The MP5's "Navy trigger group" model( for we all know who ) was 4 position (safe, semi, 2/3 shot burst and full)
The Uzi was safe, semi and full..............

My reference to the others was the long use of 9mm in FMJ in a shoulder fired weapon..... and as I stated you can get off 3-5 round fist size groups pretty quickly ..... full auto is great to break an ambush or make a movie.......


..... plus the CX4 with a 16'' barrel ( giving you between 400-600 fpe from a 9mm; depending on ammo) is shorter (4" IIRC) and lighter than a M-4 with the stock collapsed.

My Beretta CX4 cost me about $550...... about the same as a Sig 226 at the time of purchase.

No argument from me ....... I've got both ARs and 9mm carbines.... IMO the 9mm is a niche weapon.... but as a Beretta 92 fan.... it's IMHO a "good niche"


That said if I could have only one......it would be an AR

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It's simple. Pistol caliber carbines are gangs of fun to shoot. I'd REALLY like an M1 Carbine, but those are over my head. UZIs are pricey, too. With the Kel tec I've got a good quality gun that doesn't break the bank.
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I keep clicking on this thread hoping to hear good news...

I've just joined the AR world (I know, I'm a relic...but I couldn't pass up the price. Thanks, Pres. Trump.), and to be honest, I think I would shoot a 9mm version more.

For those stating just to get a different carbine, don't forget the utility of the weapon being the same except for caliber. For instance, my ladyfriend (and shooting buddy) does most of her shooting with a Glock and an M&P Sport .223. She's not a "gun" person, but she likes to shoot. The 9mm version would keep it familiar for her.

I mostly just want one though. Cleaning a Camp 9 is a pain in the behind.
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