Removing the Bullet Button on a CA M&P 15 Sport 2

poordevil said:
You come on to a firearms site and ask how to circumvent a state law? Even if you can you should not. I lived in Cal for all my life till moving to AZ. 50 years!. Now the Laws are different in Cal. In Cal you must do as they say or till you change atmosphere in the State .

My older Brother still lives there and says it is a big hassle! But for now the law is the law.
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He's NOT attempting to circumvent the law, he is simply trying to comply with the NEW law before it goes into effect. Sheesh, I wish folks would take the time to actually read a post before deciding something underhanded is afoot.

Locktite Red has to be heated to about 150 degrees before it will release and even then it will be a bit "sticky". If I were trying to heat an AR lower I'd remove the butt stock. grip and trigger group and then put it in a warm over for an hour or so. I'd also wear some good leather work gloves because 150-160 degrees will cause a mild burn. If the button is shaped to the oval recess in the lower you'll need to exert a bit of force while rotating the latch bar.

I am totally unfamiliar with these bullet buttons but of they are NOT shaped to the recess for the magazine release there may not be any means of holding the button firmly enough to overcome the "Stickyness" of Locktite that is well heated. If so you only other option will be to drill the end of the magazine release shaft out of the button. To do this I would suggest starting with a center drill, then a small diameter bit to establish a path for a larger diameter bit to follow. IIRC for the final drill you'll want a 3/16 diameter but double check that because it's been a while since I assembled my last AR.
 
Hair Dryer Method Confirmed.

I had such a pain in the butt removing this thing. I purchased the special tool off ebay to remove the button but it wouldn't budge at all. So frustrating. I have a cheap Conair 1875 (blue one sells around $15) that my GF left at my house. I heated the B button for around 3-4 min and then the button was removable. I am so happy to get rid of this stupid bullet button. BTW, I did this because I just moved from the most gun hating state (CA) to the most gun loving state (TX). :D:D:D
 
Mention was made about doing a new "assault weapon" registration in CA. Is this possible? Wasn't there a cutoff date for this?
 
There is a new "assault weapon" law here, but doesn't take full effect until 1 Jan 2018. Under the new law, you can get rid of the BB if you go featureless. Your other option is to rig the AR so you have to take it apart to change mags.

If you keep the "evil features", you have to keep the BB and do the register thing.

You can buy new AR's here, but they either have to be featureless or have a "fixed" mag. Not a fan of the "fixed mag", since it makes clearing jams a royal pain.
 
A new mag catch is cheap, about $6. I would just press the mag button in as far as it would go with a punch and then cut the mag catch post with a Dremel cut off tool.

Brian in Oregon said:
Mention was made about doing a new "assault weapon" registration in CA. Is this possible? Wasn't there a cutoff date for this?
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Yes, the first registration period ended 17 years ago. However, because of the new law, they've opened a new registration. Of course they haven't put the rules in place on how to register yet. A CA resident has until 31 Dec 2017 to register an assault weapon, but no one can, even if they want to, because there is no system in place to do it.

I suspect they will continue to drag their feet.
 
The BB was developed to comply with the requirement that a tool had to be used to drop a mag and reload an "evil" AR. It was an attempt to discourage people from owning AR's. The theory the politicians have is that since they can't out right ban black rifles, they can make it so difficult for people to use them that gun owners will eventually give up.
 
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Disabled1 said:
I watched the video posted of the installation of a bullet button. Why is a bullet button necessary? :confused: :eek: :rolleyes:
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It has to do with the California definition of an "assault" weapon.

In CA, assault weapons are illegal. CA defines an assault weapon as:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.​

What the bullet button did was make it a fixed magazine. Because you had to use a tool (i.e. bullet tip) to remove the mag, it became fixed. Therefore, any semi auto that had the bullet button, was no longer an assault rifle and could have any of the features in the list.

This year they changed the definition of a fixed magazine to say that you have to disassemble the receiver to remove it. That mean that the current bullet button didn't make it a fixed mag any more.
 
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Rastoff said:
It has to do with the California definition of an "assault" weapon.

In CA, assault weapons are illegal. CA defines an assault weapon as:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.​

What the bullet button did was make it a fixed magazine. Because you had to use a tool (i.e. bullet tip) to remove the mag, it became fixed. Therefore, any semi auto that had the bullet button, was no longer an assault rifle and could have any of the features in the list.

This year they changed the definition of a fixed magazine to say that you have to disassemble the receiver to remove it. That mean that the current bullet button didn't make it a fixed mag any more.
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A SNOWSTORM hit, so, I was asked to take cover.
 
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poordevil said:
You come on to a firearms site and ask how to circumvent a state law? Even if you can you should not. I lived in Cal for all my life till moving to AZ. 50 years!. Now the Laws are different in Cal. In Cal you must do as they say or till you change atmosphere in the State .

My older Brother still lives there and says it is a big hassle! But for now the law is the law.
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if your firearm is featureless you don't need a button in calif.
 
MattO wrote:
How does California have so many residents?
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First, a lot of people aren't all that interested in guns, so the gun laws have no effect on their perception of the state.

Second, available good paying jobs, good quality of life, and reasonable cost of living (for everything except housing).
 
I feel stupid for asking but here goes. I just purchased a M&P 15 Sport II in depressing California and am new to this type of rifle. I am currently waiting for my 10 days till I can pick it up. I heard about but did not understand the "Bullet Button" law going on until I joined this site. Could you please tell me what "Featureless" means?? Sorry if that is a dumb question! I would like to be able to get around that law legally.
 
hawaiiboy58 said:
Could you please tell me what "Featureless" means??
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Sure, it's simple, but not what most people think. Here it is in plain English:

Assault rifles are illegal in CA and have been for a long time. This raises the question, "What makes a rifle an 'assault' rifle?" So, they defined it in the law. Here is the current definition:

12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
  • A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
  • A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
  • A thumbhole stock.
  • A folding or telescoping stock.
  • A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
  • A flash suppressor.
  • A forward pistol grip.
  • A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
  • A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

Section 12276 is a list of guns by name that are illegal in CA. You can't get them so, don't worry about that.

So, what a featureless rifle is, is any rifle that doesn't have the features listed above. Notice the bold, underlined "and" in the first feature. This is to emphasize that it must have a removable magazine AND one of the other features. Take away the other features and you CAN legally have a removable magazine.

So, if you recently bought an AR, it's probably already featureless since you can't buy an assault rifle in CA. This means you have a fixed stock, no flash hider, no vertical fore-grip, the over all length is >30" and no pistol grip. You also only have 10 round mags. You probably have a grip that looks something like this:
FSG01-INSTALLED_preview_featured.jpg


But that is only one compliant type of grip. There are many others.
 
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Rastoff beat me to it. Since you bought yours this year, nothing to worry about. The Sport II's sold in California this year are featureless. Those of us that bought AR's before the end of last year are the ones having to worry about the new laws.
 
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Is it legal to change the buttstock to something like the Magpul as long as it is kept fixed? And I guess I can't change that stupid looking grip either? Wow, I'm beginning to wonder if I should of purchased that gun? Too late though, if I stop the sale I lose over $200.00 I just have to be one of the people that do everything possible to get the idiots out of office. This is depressing!! I can't wait until I can leave this state.
 
Yes, you can change the stock out to any one of the fixed stocks as long as the existing stock is removable. To get rid of the fin grip that you have, you can can either with a stock like the thorsden or the hera cqr. Or there are replacement grips like the exile machine hammerhead, the monsterman and others

Only other option would be to install something like the Armaglock. Problem with that is, you have to pull the take down pin and break the rifle open to reload. There is at least one "speedloader" that loads the mag through the ejection port

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Holy ****!
After digging thru this thread , and trying to understand the requirements....I am glad to say....I am from the Great REDNECK State of Alabama!
No "bullet buttons" here.
No "Mag Cut-offs".
No ...really NOTHING to do with your firearm....other...than...no caliber under .243 for Deer hunting....and no "Bubba" here uses a .243 to hunt.
I'm blessed....
 
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