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Old 11-18-2016, 10:25 PM
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OP, I'm not sure why you need to get all aggro about other people modding their rifle in the way they choose.

Why do you care?

Like it isn't fun to mod an AR.
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I understand the temptation to by a entry level rifle at a reasonable price, but part of me was very against hacking anything on a new gun. I waited and finally ended up finding a ORC in my price range. I honestly haven't done much other than add a scope, Magpul trigger guard and pick up a bumpfire system for a lil extra fun.. oh, and ammo! Tons of ammo.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against modding a new gun, but permanent modifications just don't make sense to me. Why risk voiding a warranty?
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WE had no need for an AR anything....but we bought into the S&W Sport II....to piss off the libtards....but do have fun with it at the range....
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OP, I'm not sure why you need to get all aggro about other people modding their rifle in the way they choose.

Why do you care?

Like it isn't fun to mod an AR.
I think you are missing my point and question entirely.
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I keep seeing comments on voiding the warranty. Anything changed out is easily put back to stock form. Anything that may break is also easy to buy a replacement and fix yourself.
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I keep seeing comments on voiding the warranty. Anything changed out is easily put back to stock form. Anything that may break is also easy to buy a replacement and fix yourself.
The advice that a few others and I give is that after the initial clean, inspect, lube, is to fire between 250 - 500 rounds through your stock, fully furnished, AR-16, as it came out of the box. If you have an optics model or one that requires you to mount a front sight, mount whatever you need to aim the rifle. Why do I give this advice?

First, most people assume that a defect in a rifle is going to be something easy for the unitiated to remedy on their own. Some assume that everyone has enough mechanical aptitude to safely work on their firearm beyond a basic field strip. If someone recognizes that they don't know what they're doing, then a factory warranty / lifetime service policy is a godsend.

Second, what if it's a material defect in the rifle that isn't remedied by installing a cheap part? What if the upper receiver's barrel seating notch is slightly out of spec, throwing off the barrel, which then throws off the mating between the locking lugs on the bolt to the chamber lugs that causes intermittent issues? What if there was a flaw in the gas port which causes an intermittent issue? What if the rifle wasn't properly head spaced? What if the barrel's chamber has a burr in it, was reamed slightly off, etc. I've seen some odd-ball issues pop up from time to time with AR-15's that aren't easily remedied by a novice to intermediate enthusiast.

Third, say you take your factory fresh AR-15 out of the box. The AR-15 disease has already hit you. Before you hit the range, you ditch the A2 front sight post for a low pro gas block. You ditch delta ring and standard two piece drop in hand guard for a free float with a proprietary barrel nut. Might as well replace the trigger and install KNS anti-rotation pins. Pop in a heavier buffer because you've read posts and seen "the ejection chart" online. Find a NiBx BCG for $75? Install that too. You then take your decked out AR-15 to the range, where everyone has an AR-15 and they all basically look the same. You fire rounds. You start to have issues. Be it the 1st round or the 500th. Can't be! What went wrong? You've changed out enough to possibly affect the proper operation of your rifle. Time to put it all back to stock form so you can send it in. How hard was it to pound out those reverse taper front sight block pins?
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JaPes, that really don;t cover what I am talking about. In the grand scheme of things, what's a little bit of time putting the stock parts back on when compared to what could be a costly repair. If you wre the one that installed the upgraded parts, you absolutely have the skill to inistall them and re-install the original.

And let's be honest, it's an AR. My wife isn't very mechanically inclined. She built her AR. I built mine without even holding one before. They aren't complicated to work on. I get that some people might not be capable of this. Those people will have had a gun smith install the upgraded parts will most likely have that same gunsmith reinstall the original parts. At that point, it is their decision on which cost is more acceptable to them.
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Old 11-20-2016, 03:33 AM
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I guess I just don't see the value when you consider that the Sport II has moved up to $620-$650 OTD.

I used that Aero as an example of what I consider a better alternative but if it does not meet your spec I understand that. If you have a very narrowly defined spec isn't it better just to build exactly what you want from the ground up or simply buy a complete lower and then complete upper made to your desired spec.

If you are capable of swapping out all of those parts you are more than capable of building it from the ground up so why start with a $620+ complete rifle? There is nothing magical about the parts used by S&W that makes them better then say PSA.

You see value I guess I don't. When Sport IIs were $500 + transfer maybe but not at $620+ transfer.
Good points. However, when I was looking for parts that met my specs, the particular twist rate in the barrel profile I wanted were not available. It was just simpler to get the Sport II. Have another AR15 project gun stalled out for lack of specific parts.
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I bought my Sport because it is a good quality rifle at entry level prices. I have barely modified it at all but I did add a couple of things. Start with a red dot sight. They are the way of the gun these days or at least the way of the AR-15. I shot mine for a while with iron sights just to get used to them in case I ever needed to use them in a bad way. Then I added what I expected to add all along, a red dot sight. No modifications to the A2 sight post was needed of course.

The only other modification I made was a front hand grip. I did that because there is no heat shield in the stock hand guard to speak of. The hand grip allows me to grip the rifle away from the heat. I did have to add a small rail adapter for the stock hand guard. Total for the rail and the hand grip was about $25.

I did try to mount a green laser in addition to the red dot. I already owned that sight and hoped it would work well. But it didn't. The mount wouldn't hold in place. I may look for a better mount because I like lasers and a green laser has advantages. Still it wasn't a big expenditure and it doesn't require extensive modifications. Finding a better mount may be out of the question but that's OK. I do like being able to aim from the hip if needed and a laser allows you to do that. Or you can aim around a barrier while looking through a small opening away from where the rifle is. And the truth is I've had great luck using lasers on other rifles. I can hit fast moving targets by putting the dot on that target. It's a great thing to have IMO mostly for varmints. I can shoot at one and be looking for others to shoot at the same time. That's harder to do with a red dot or at least it is for me. I'm no good at keeping my off eye open while I use a red dot sight.

Beyond these minor things I do like it that I can change many things on this rifle if I decide to do that. I can keep it several years then alter it when I'm out of the current money pit of a house I'm living in temporarily. Buying new guns and major parts has been a rare thing since I had to move here for a while. It will be better some day and then I can keep swapping parts until I have enough leftover parts to build another rifle. I did that with computers way back when and made a bunch of money in the process. Sure you have to buy a motherboard and case but if you have kept the video cards and hard drives from previous upgrades you can eventually build a whole computer for very little money. In the 90's I took parts in as partial payment for installation jobs on computers (it was much tougher to add a sound card in those days etc.). Eventually I would have a computer to sell for more money than I could have made selling the parts individually. But that's no longer a valid way to make money and I don't expect to make money off spare AR parts. But I do think maybe I can possibly build a very inexpensive rifle with the parts I toss back in a drawer when I upgrade something. I'm sure I'd have to buy a few new parts but it would be way cheaper than buying a new rifle.

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I bought 2 of the first generation Sport models when some people were dumping them to get the Sport II. I gave less than $400 for each. One is my truck gun. It is completely stock except that I added a Primary Arms red dot.
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I bought 2 of the first generation Sport models when some people were dumping them to get the Sport II. I gave less than $400 for each. One is my truck gun. It is completely stock except that I added a Primary Arms red dot.
At that price and with that intended use the Sport I or Sport II make a lot of sense!
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My simple answer is, because it's mine, I can do what I want with it. Do what you want with yours, it's your money, I won't question your decisions if you won't question mine.
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I can certainly understand the idea that it's best to buy what you want from the get go but people want that S&W support. Not only that but if they're like me they have seen a lot of other entry level AR's that weren't very good quality rifles. Unless you liked working on your rifle more than shooting it buying a Sport was a good idea. That kept me from buying an entry level AR for years. I didn't really want anything else and the stuff I saw at the gun range just wasn't very good. So I waited until there was a good one. I can certainly see buying one because of the brand and the quality then making it your gun by modifying it. Yeah buying one like you want it right off the bat is good if you can find a good rifle that is what you really want and is as rock solid as a S&W product. I looked for one of those and never found one. S&W made it possible for me to get into the AR game. I'm sure I could have come up with the money for another brand but it looked to me like it took a lot more money to get a decent AR before S&W started selling the Sport.
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My simple answer is, because it's mine, I can do what I want with it. Do what you want with yours, it's your money, I won't question your decisions if you won't question mine.
Again yet another person who seems to miss the point of the post. It is not that you cannot do what you want with your $$$ or your gun. Its about questioning and helping learn about the cost benefit ratios of buying Sport II vs other AR15s if you intent is to modify the gun.
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My intent when I bought the first gen sport was that I didnt want to spend any $$ on it. I'm not really an AR guy but I wanted the platform to dink around with.
Immediately, I changed out the ****** grip with a magpul because that nub in the original grip is just awful. I then swapped out the handguard with a magpul m-lok guard (just in case I wanted to add something fun down the road.)
Thats about it. I dont want to spend any more money but who knows? I may end up getting a STR stock for it, just because I like them.
For me, I just wanted an AR platform. I honestly dont ever plan on getting a nicer one, so this is just a fun gun for me. Plus, the start-up cost was an easy pill to swallow.
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Again yet another person who seems to miss the point of the post. It is not that you cannot do what you want with your $$$ or your gun. Its about questioning and helping learn about the cost benefit ratios of buying Sport II vs other AR15s if you intent is to modify the gun.
I guess if I start weighing cost benefit ratios on my hobbies, I will quit having hobbies.
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Other than a vortex red dot and maybe a forward grip, I have zero
Intention of adding anything to my Sport II. It does all I need an AR to do.
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Good question.

The Sport II, in my mind, is an affordable rifle that is ready to go out of the box. For my own purposes, if I were going to invest hundreds more by changing out parts, I would just spend more up front and buy what I wanted.

That said, in response to your question, the Sport II gets modified for the same reason that someone buys a new car or truck and then replaces the wheels or the exhaust. The owner wants it modified to his specs, even if the mods often don't make sense.

Whatever the reason, the folks who make the aftermarket parts sure do appreciate the business!
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That's just how I feel about my Sport I.
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I guess if I start weighing cost benefit ratios on my hobbies, I will quit having hobbies.
It doesn't make a difference to me if it is a hobby or business venture I personally want to get value for my $$$. When looking at one AR15 over another a cost benefit analysis based on stock features, possible modifications necessary or desired and intended use makes a lot of sense to me but what do I know... LOL

I do agree it's your $$$ you are spending to mod your Sport II pretty much right out of the box, so have at it. I am just suggesting a different approach that others might find useful.

Many of the more experienced AR15 shooter's who have responded to this thread have talked about when they bought their first AR15 not knowing any better, not knowing what they wanted or not knowing what was out there. This points to a learning curve which IMHO this thread is attempting to address.
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This points to a learning curve which IMHO this thread is attempting to address.
That's a bit of over generalization. Some people may not think about what they really want but I sure did. I got exactly what I wanted and I waited years to get it.
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I too have a Sport II which I bought because they were reasonably priced.
I had a an early model MOE with the chrome lined barrel and it was a very good rifle. I traded it for a POF Puritan piston with premium parts already in place and it has been an excellent rifle, reliable and accurate.
I bought the SportII because it is reasonably priced, DI, a little lighter than my POF and I had some stuff left over from my previous Smith. It was a simple project to swap out the bolt for the WMD bolt from my MOE and buy the FDE Magpul furniture, hand guard, stock and grip as a package and put a red dot (SightMark) also in my parts box. The cost was less than buying an upgraded model which, because I have an upgraded POF, I really didn't need. I am very pleased with both of my AR style rifles. Both are reliable, accurate.
Now, maybe my reasons are different than some because I just wanted a 'back up' rifle and the Sport II filled my want, but adding the Magpul furniture was an option, the bolt I had and the same for the red dot. It is very easy to get carried away buying things for one, so it does help to do some research and shoot it first so you have a good idea of what you really need vs what a gun store commando tells you. The Sport is an excellent value as is, but it is easy to get carried away a some have posted.
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Just picked up one yesterday and have no plans on any change outs ... Not saying I want change the grip but probably nothing else ...
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Just picked up one yesterday and have no plans on any change outs ... Not saying I want change the grip but probably nothing else ...
That's what they all say, it's just a grip, what harm could possibly come from it...next thing you know you've got KNS pins on your rifle.
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That's what they all say, it's just a grip, what harm could possibly come from it...next thing you know you've got KNS pins on your rifle.
Ha!! Well said
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What I did was start with a stripped lower. Added a parts kit to it. Then built my own upper. You can't get an AR the way you want it any cheaper than that and you don't end up with a box of new unused gun parts after you do make it yours.
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What I did was start with a stripped lower. Added a parts kit to it. Then built my own upper. You can't get an AR the way you want it any cheaper than that and you don't end up with a box of new unused gun parts after you do make it yours.
That's not a box of unused gun parts that's your next AR waiting to be assembled.
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That's not a box of unused gun parts that's your next AR waiting to be assembled.
Unfortunately most of the time you never end up using those take off parts. You took them off for a reason. If you wanted them on a rifle you would have just left it stock. The GI grip, GI trigger groups and A2 stocks are IMHO just about worthless.

I know people use them but I don't so if I can avoid paying for them I do. If not I sell them off or give them away.
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Why modify a sport or a sport 2.....same reason some play golf, mod their daily driver, build a home theater system....it's a hobby, you have to start somewhere and frankly if you buy the equivalent of a male barbie doll and don't play with it I would have to question that behavior as well.

If you buy a high end or lower end gun and keep it stock or build your own from the ground up more power to you.

For those that don't see the value in it, it is not always about the destination but about the journey.

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That said, I'm somewhat amused/bemused by the wealth of mis-information about the platform and the variety of options.
Call it "The Gruber Factor"...
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I just wanted mine to look cool, if were being honest.......
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Mine is setup with a red dot sight, UTG handrail, XTM rail covers, Miad grip, BAD lever, vertical grip, flashlight with laser and a Viking sling. I'm just under $1000 for everything. There's no way I could buy one setup with all that stuff for that price. Higher end AR's are $1000+ for just the rifle itself.


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When I bought my Sport, the intention was for a cheap plinker that I could shoot then throw in the safe and clean maybe once a year. That plan fell apart when I realized that I really don't like shooting an AR with a carbine length front end. I shoot better with a more forward grip. At that point, I could dump the rifle at a loss, or spend a few bucks and make it work for me. It was easier to mod the rifle than sell it and go through the stupid CA legal hoops to buy another one.
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Because I had $136.00 store credit Classic Jewelry and Loan in Barboursville, W.Va. THey also 6 months layaway and it was the only AR available, too. I pimped my M&P 15 Sport II royally:

Fiberglass hand guard with metal internal heat shield, pink magpul adjustable stock, Hogue pistol grip, COBRATAC BLACK ADDER V2 Charging handle, AIM Sports Warfare edition reflex sight, and HEXMAG SERIES 2 30 rounder. Works flawlessly.
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I bought an M&P15 Sport II because it gives me wood when I see it, it's very cheap (ordered online for 589$ with 15$ local FFL fee), it has excellent feedback and reputation, and it's an AR-15!

I only shoot between point blank and 400 yards with the rifle anyways with Wolf steel and Freedom Munitions brass, so it's not like there's a whole lot I wanted to mess with to start. Half of it was based on self-arousal and the other on making it more cozy.

The list of "modifications" to the rifle that I've made so far:

Replaced the CAR handguards and A2 grip with Magpul MOE furniture and the buttstock with an MFT minimalist, then RIT dyed them a custom dark pine green.

Added a Halosun Micro red dot with absolute co-witness T1 compatible mount that offers quite a nice contrast against my A2 FSP.

I use standard GI mags, PMAGs, and Lancers.
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I shared WVSig's curiosity.

The reason people might replace the unlined handguards with lined ones or remove the pop-up sight and replace it with a Red Dot or an A2 Carrying Handle/Rear Sight seemed obvious.

But when it came to more extensive modifications, it seemed to me that what someone was left with at the end of the day was a prettied-up entry-level rifle and a bucket full of parts. Instead, someone could get familiar with the AR platform with the Sport II and then either 1) sell it and use the proceeds to fund the acquisition of a "higher level" rifle or 2) they could acquire/build a "higher level" rifle and keep the Sport II as a plinker or a gift.

It seemed obvious to me that having two guns rather than one gun and some parts was always more desirable and wanted to know why others saw it differently.
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Why are people buying the Sport II? Why not buy a optic ready carbine with a low profile gas block no handguards and simply install what they want. Once they have hacked it up the warranty is not going to be 100% in play. It doesn't save any money to pay for parts you are not going to use. Buying an OEM optic ready gun and installing the parts you want from day one makes economic and just plain common sense.

So educate me why are people still buying Sport IIs?
This isn't your precise scenario - but it might be an indicator of how others might be thinking.

I have one AR - the Sport I. I got into the world of ARs a little reluctantly. I wanted a semi-auto center fire rifle. (Purpose: general range plinking and paper punching.....no hunting.) I was considering an M-1 Carbine (if I could find a cheap one), a Mini-14 and an AR. I grew up with wood/blue steel guns so that's my orientation. Frankly, I don't really care for the looks of ARs. And I REALLY don't like tricked out ARs. But I'd heard such positive things about their accuracy and fun I decided to give 'em a try.

I'm sensitive to assuming or projecting what I'm going to need before I decide I need it. I've been burned in other hobbies where I basically over-bought. So I like to take things one step at a time and invest incrementally based on what I know I want. I knew I'd put a scope on. But I bought the Sport and put a few hundred rounds through it before I finalized the scope decision.

After I'd used it for a while I decided to put in a better trigger. I went nice - Geissele SSA-E. Now the setup is doing what I want, so I don't feel compelled to invest more. The front post bugs me a little. I might swap it out - but it's on the edge between would I rather save the dough and look at it or pay for some cleaner lines.

Buying an entry-level got me in the door cheap - and I could make slow deliberate decisions about upgrading as I got trigger time with a platform I wasn't familiar with.

Now.....these folks that buy an entry level such as the Sport and upgrade pieces that could be had on stock, higher end models, I don't quite understand.....unless there is something specific about an upgrade that can't be had as stock on any model - entry or mid-range or high-end.

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P.S.: Given all the above and my experiences, now that I have AR time and understanding under my belt, I wouldn't be at all surprised if sometime down the road I sell my current Sport and get a higher-end configuration.....because now I *know* what I want and don't want.

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Great post Otisrush! Thanks for your thoughts on the subject. Your approach makes a lot sense to me.
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I bought a S&W M&P 15 Sport 2 as entry into AR rifle platform. I have owned a Ruger Mini-14 since 1985, always enjoyed shooting it and can shoot it well. However, as crime and civil unrest grew, I couldn't bring myself to pay the $35 or more per Mini-14 magazine in order to have an adequate quantity of loaded magazines on hand.
With hundreds of different brands and models of AR rifles, navigating through them in search of a reliable "first" AR led me to S&W and Colt as major manufacturers I felt that I could trust to build quality product that they stood behind. Chose S&W Sport 2 for the entry level price when LGS had it on sale. Only made one modification to the stock rifle, changed the handguard to one with a heatshield and ability to attach rails/accessories to it.
All additional money I've spent on it is Magpul 30rd magazines and lots of ammo.
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I bought a S&W M&P 15 Sport 2 as entry into AR rifle platform. I have owned a Ruger Mini-14 since 1985, always enjoyed shooting it and can shoot it well. However, as crime and civil unrest grew, I couldn't bring myself to pay the $35 or more per Mini-14 magazine in order to have an adequate quantity of loaded magazines on hand.
With hundreds of different brands and models of AR rifles, navigating through them in search of a reliable "first" AR led me to S&W and Colt as major manufacturers I felt that I could trust to build quality product that they stood behind. Chose S&W Sport 2 for the entry level price when LGS had it on sale. Only made one modification to the stock rifle, changed the handguard to one with a heatshield and ability to attach rails/accessories to it.
All additional money I've spent on it is Magpul 30rd magazines and lots of ammo.
If you aren't going to run a red dot or some other optic on your Sport II, you might consider getting a detachable carry handle or one of the short Picatinny rail sights that have an A2 sight assembly on them. This is because the folding Magpul rear sight has no elevation adjustment for yardage.

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What's to keep a Sport/Sport II from holding up in a "go to war" or "SHTF" scenario? It seems to be made from good specs. Do you need a Nickel Boron bolt carrier assembly and a 1:7" twist to reliably cycle 55 and 62 grain military loads? How about half MOA accuracy? Military's been using carbine gas systems for ages, if it gives out just get another gas tube, they're pretty cheap. 5R rifling? Couldn't you just break the rifle in first and clean it when you're not "on patrol"?

I've seen overwhelmingly positive feedback on both the Sport and Sport II from people who really run the hell out of AR-15s. I'm sure a Daniel Defense, BCM or LWRC will outlast a Sport, but is it necessary?

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I plan to get one but it will stay stock as I like that look except maybe an optic and s iPod for coyotes
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I'm probably different than most AR buyers...I'm not not the type that wants several in various calipers, 223, 6.8, 6.5 , 6.5 , 450, 468 etc and use the AR for hunting everything from squirrels to hogs to bear like a buddy did. even at the age of 29 I find myself thinking wood and blues steel is far cooler looking. I do happen to think the AR is thecsingke best platform for home defense and civil unrest. that's what mine us for. I'd rather pop coyote with a 357 levergun or sad walnut stocked bolt action.I prefer the stock look and don't care for the long handguards. a simple reed dot or a scope may be added but I'll probably keep open sights.I'll probably get an ar10 for SHTF rifle and the commonality of 308 anmo. and an m@p 22 for economical training , and MAYBE a ruger precision rifle in 6.5 creedmoor then my black rifle buys are done. everything else will be filled out with a pre 64 Winchester, a colt Sauer bolt action, several lever actions and plenty of old blues revolvers.for my needs, simple home defense and range fun I believe the sport will do fine.
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Okay, I'll try and answer on why i have done what I have to my Sport 2, and why I picked the sport 2 to begin with...

Let me first off say, I am not new to guns, not new to semi auto riffles, or Military style riffles etc.. I own some other varieties..

Anyway, My journey to owning the Sport two, came quite a while back..

due to various happenings around the country, and an election coming up, Which I thought for sure Hillary was going to win, I decided to make a purchase before she got in..

Well, I did not own an AR, and was sure it would be the first on the chopping block (If Hillary got in etc)..

So I started digging around, reading up on various brands etc (I also have a friend who is SIGNIFICANTLY more knowledgeable on AR's then I was)..

At any rate, I started out planing to go big, or go home..
I was going to spend whatever it took to get the best of the best.. I am not rich or even "well to do" by any stretch, but I did have enough cash put back to get ANY AR made..

but then one day, I stumbled across the smith and Wesson M&P Sport 2.. Seen it was a MUCH lower price then others I had on my list, but decided to take a glance anyway, in part (actually LARGE part), was because my Dad was a bit of a Smith and Wesson kinda guy.. So the simple fact that I discovered Smith and Wesson happen to now be making AR's really struck my interest..

I looked up the various specs on it 1:9 twist etc. Which really didn't bother me, considering my plan of use for it, IE not competition shooting, or trying to beat my buddy at the range yada yada.., Then I Seen that it was at least a milspec, and became a bit more interested in it.. again in large part, simply due to the name and family history, if you will..

well to get to the point here..
I did not much care for the stock Handguard, especially after discovering it did not even contain a metal shield inside..
but I knew that was easily changed.. I also did not much care for the grip.. another easy to change cheap part..

But.. going big was still heavily on my mind.. so I held off..
decided to wait to see if Hillary was going to win.., cause even if she did, I knew I would still have plenty of time to purchase after election day before she could do anything..

Well, when she ended up losing, I pretty much knew right that moment I was going with the Sport Two..
The only real reason I was considering going big, was for down the road.. something to pass down to my son etc and I wanted it to be the best of the best, as I figured they may actually get banned and stay that way?..

And THAT, is the full story of how and why I ended up with a M&P Sport 2, and have since changed a few parts..
and honestly could not be any happier with my ultimate decision..

It freed up money to spend on other things as well..

P.s.. hopefully this will also help explain my PERSONAL theory on why I disagree with the Spot 2 only being an entry Level AR..
to me.. it is THEE best AR I could ever hope to have!
the go big, best of the best, Was more about holding Value down the road, then anything else..
and now that I have kept with somewhat of a Smith and Wesson family tradition, again, I could not possibly be any happier about it! the Smith and Wesson M&P Sport 2, has a GREAT record on dependability, good accuracy etc... I'm just glad that the best of the best, was not in fact a Smith and Wesson that cost $5000.. LOL!... (Note, Yes, my dad and family owned guns made by other makers, they did not ONLY own Smith and Wesson, but, without dragging this on forever, smith and wesson does have special meaning to me and mine)

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I think some people just want to denigrate the Sport II.
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I think some people just want to denigrate the Sport II.
Likewise. I think it's a mixture of buyer's remorse and an unhealthy investment of ego into top dollar gear.

My Sport II's done great. I've done realistic reliability and durability testing to the extent of throwing loaded magazines in sand and dirt and smearing some mud over the bolt carrier and into the trigger controls. Ran fine, with some sticks in the trigger being solved by popping the pins and scraping out debris as well as it working itself out. I have a total of 300 rounds of Wolf steel case and 500 rounds of Freedom Munitions M193 brass through it. I see about 2 and a quarter inch groups shooting offhand at 100 yards with backup irons, and just under 2" using my Halosun. I don't like shooting from a bench if I can help it, as I'd rather be realistic and try to be a better shot next time. I take good care of the gun, making sure to clean it in between every firing session, and so far, I've only lightly marred the receiver finish during drop and bang tests. It bothers me not, as I plan on going over it with cerakote soon. Great gun, why I didn't get one of these sooner I'll never stop asking myself.

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I just wanted mine to look cool, if were being honest.......

LOL.... an honest man!!!!!!!

IMHO

A factory stock Sport...... should meet the "needs" of 99% of those of us who are not LEO..........

Got my first AR almost 20 years ago ...... a Windham (?) Bushmaster 25th Anniversary edition with Ace fixed stock ..... added a 1-4x20 scope and 10 round magazines and off to the range .........picked up 2 Smiths over the years; in after "Panic" sell offs....... that will get passed on to the boys.

We still can't hunt with Semi's in Pa..... My "Burb of the Burgh" is not prone to SHTF and we haven't had a good TEOTWAWKI here since the last Ice Age!

But winters are long and most of us are too old to play with erector sets.....and thanks to Magpul parts are relatively inexpensive.

If I grab a .223 to take into Penn's Woods it's going to be a CZ bolt gun.......... if I just want to have fun at the range; more likely than not it will be a Ruger 10/22 or my Smith 15/22.

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If someone really wants to build it just the way they want it, they could always start with an aluminum billet...

I was forever changing grips and holsters out on my revolvers before I finally got just what I wanted. People do things like that.
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Something pretty obvious to note but I think a bit overlooked, even though I've bought the Sport II, I still have the modularity of an AR system. If I want to expand my horizons, figuratively speaking, I can build a quality 20" DMR upper to pop onto my Sport II lower. I know that's going to make people ask me if I hit my head in a bad spot, but it's such an awesome factor that barely if ever gets mentioned in my circle of friends. I can go from a CQB/assault rifle role to firing Black Hills Mk262 out to 600 yards. The best part? Keep it on standby in a small case or condomed up and strapped to your bag, on the go.

Geissele SSA-E Trigger would be an investment, though.
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