Point shooting is essential to HD IMO. If you can't do it you may want to think about some other method of defense. What I use my red dot for is coyote work more than anything. That and feral dogs and other dangerous small animals. No I don't think coyotes are dangerous unless you're a cat. I try to keep them away from the house so my cats survive.

But there is that one in a million chance that a bad situation could develop. If you live where I do it's entirely possible that the gang bangers / drug dealers that live up on the hill from me may decide they want to take their dislike for me up a notch. They've threatened to kill me more than once. It would be just like them to go at me in force. In a situation like that a red dot is going to be much faster than irons for picking up advancing attackers. It's very likely this is "never" going to happen but I like being prepared just in case. In such a situation the better quality the sight the better off you will be. That's just true. Whether it matters is a question of extreme odds. But it might.

If you wanna go with point and shoot home defense use a 12ga. Talkin red dots here.

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Knock off the bickering.

Keep your critiques focused on the subject not on each other.

Bickering
That made me laugh.
I'm going for the aimpoint on my new M&P 15

Cuidado, coyotes!

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I doubt there is such a thing as a red dot that absolutely cannot get knocked out of zero under any circumstances. Every red dot I've seen has a knob adjustment, not a mount one.

Since you mentioned it was going on a hunting rifle, you don't need one to survive flak, incoming rounds, etc., just to hold zero on recoil or accidentally being dropped once. (if you're repeatedly dropping your gun that's another issue)
An acquaintance of mine last year wanted my help in zeroing a red dot for a 12 G shotgun with a slug barrel so he could use it to go deer hunting. He was unfamiliar with optics of any kind on a shotgun. He bought off of Ebay an AIM sports 42 mm red dot sight, round, looks like a scope but no magnification. Good field of view though, alum body. Looks like the one on this link.

Aim Sports RT42W Red Dot Sight | Carolina Ballistics

Most of what you get from Ebay for $30 (including shipping) is mostly for 22's and airguns, not a real firearm. Also most of the dots are 5 MOA, this one claimed to be 3 MOA. It did appear to actually be 3 MOA at 100 yards however. At the time I just shook my head from side to side, thinking it wouldn't hold up to the recoil of a shotgun, and told him so before we got started. I have to admit I was wrong, it held zero last year and this year both, when he again practiced before deer season. The only mishap it's had was he had the shotgun propped up against a wall (unloaded) and someone knocked it over once on a wood floor. (this happened last year) Whether you would get that kind of performance out of a $30 red dot is unknown. If it can take the recoil of a 12 G slug gun it can probably handle an AR.

Whatever optic you get make sure the mounting is secure also after repeated use.

The reality is............ the Aim Sports (even if they look cute on the outside) won't hold up like an Aimpoint. Not even close. I've owned both.

Hunting depends...

If you're hunting squirrels from the back porch and the lens falls out of the optic onto the deck (as shown earlier) no big deal. Go inside, have a cup of coffee.

However, hunting often involves a long drive, sometimes a weekend with the boys... whatever. Hardly something that you want ruined over a $20 optic.

Oh no....you have no idea how much I hate squirrels, a lens falling out would be catastrophic.

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I don't doubt that at all. You're also talking about 20 times the price, which if your life depended on it in a war zone would be money well spent. I was not recommending an aim sports over an aimpoint, (or actually recommending an aim sports over anything,) just relaying what I observed. It also was NOT an observation of all Aim Sports products, just that particular design of red dot. Others have probably observed the same brand falling apart after a few shots from a 22. The quality and durability is hit and miss, you might get a good one, you might not. Although I don't have it any more, I've had good success with a primary arms red dot on a field hunting gun, but I had people tell me I was a cheap ******* because I wanted a reliable red dot and didn't want to pay more than the cost of the gun to get one. They also said they were no good because it wasn't an aimpoint, and it would eventually fail in some way. If I were buying another red dot, primary arms would be the lowest I would go, but I'm under no illusions it's an aim point, nor does it need to be.

I don't know much about red dots, but I did have a BSA red dot that survived years of abuse from a 12 ga with turkey loads. I'm not a fan of BSA stuff, and I run a scope now. But I will give it credit for surviving the turkey loads.


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I know this isn't great but
I have 2 aimpoints and was looking at this...just like a Holosun.just wondering how they fare against a sparc

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Same here, I can still see my rear irons though. I figure the Trijicons fiber optic won't fail me so I don't even bother with irons on those equipped rifles.

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You're right that almost certainly that sight is going to work. But anything made by humans is subject to fail. So I'll keep the irons for that rare possibility. YMMV

So.... where is the TRS-25 in this picture?

Cheap end of the spectrum... good and reliable dime store optic for sport and recreational use. Not designed to be left on for immediate use, so not the best selection for HD.