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Old 12-05-2016, 06:40 AM
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So I just got my new AR for myself on Black Friday (Merry Christmas to me). Anyways, I have been looking at getting additional mags (one just isn't enough) and I am confused as to what mags to get. Seems like a lot of people stick with the Magpul pmags, but are they that much better then the hexmags? They are about the same price. I don't mind not following what everyone else is doing, but if they are that much better....
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Buy a hexmag and try it out, they're only a few dollars. If you like it and it doesn't give you any issues get some more, I stick with pmags, but that's just me.



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I will stay in my lane here and say that I have no experience with "hexmags". I have used P-Mags since 2008 in my patrol rifle and they are GTG. I'm fortunate as my employer supplies the ammo and I shoot about 1000 to 1500 rounds of 5.56 per year. I keep my Noveske 10.5 cleaned and lubed and have had no magazine related malfunctions.

Buy the P-Mags and don't look back.

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Just be patient and someone will have a ludicrous sale on Pmags. It'll be worth the wait.
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At $89 shipped for Gen 2s PMAGs why buy Hexmags?

30-Round PMAG, 10-Pack, Black : AR-15/M16 223/5.56 PMAG GEN M2 MOE MAGAZINES | Brownells
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I have a few Hexmags and some GI's, but the majority of what I shoot is Pmags.
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Pmags here....just received 10 20 rounder's.
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Hexmags work just fine, but I find the polymer they are made from a little 'slicker' than the textured finish of the PMAG. Not a big deal unless they get covered in something slippery, we did a drill where the instructor covered our hands in baby oil (sounds weird but a useful experience) before we ran through all of our usual reload / failure simulation drills, and I was glad I had PMAGs with me instead of Hexmag / USGI.

For general range use, Hexmag / Troy / MFT / USGI are all fine IMO. They're probably all fine for any purpose but I stick with PMAGs and USGI because it's what I know and the cost different is so minimal.

(Side note: I have read of people having problems with the over-insertion stop on the Gen M3 PMAGs but haven't experienced that myself)
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I use P-Mags.. Never have had any issues with them and it seems like most people use them as well since they are "cheap"... A lot of people use upgraded GI mags as well, but it's really whatever floats your/their boat.. I'd say to buy a bunch of 30s, a few 20s, and a few 10s.. They all have their advantages and I assure you, you'll use each one and find the advantages quickly.
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Personally, I don't care for any of the plastic AR magazines that are out there. I bought some blackened stainless steel magazines like these:
CDNN SPORTS - AR15 30RD 223 STAINLESS MAGAZINE C PRODUCTS
and I have had zero problems with them.
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Personally, I don't care for any of the plastic AR magazines that are out there. I bought some blackened stainless steel magazines like these:
CDNN SPORTS - AR15 30RD 223 STAINLESS MAGAZINE C PRODUCTS
and I have had zero problems with them.
Those are good mags but pricey for what you are getting. IMHO
I personally do not feel the need to carry the extra weight of a stainless steel mag but I have tons of USGI alum mags with no-tilt followers.

PSA often sells D&H for $7.00 a pop.

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P mags work, so why fool around with anything else. Just saying....
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I use gen2 PMAGS and have never had any issues that I can remember. Seem to be some decent prices going around on these so I don't think you can go wrong ...
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i use mostly pmags but do have a couple of hexmags & work fine - one good thing about pmag vs hexmag (unless hexmag has brought out new mags lately I don't know about) is that pmags come in 10 & 20 round magazines which are shorter & much better for off the bench or prone. the lower count hexmags are the same size as the 30's.
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I've got Magpul Pmags Gen II and Gen III, Lancer mags, D&H Mags, and Brownell's mags. They all seem to work fine. The only ones I'm really leery of are Pro Mags. Haven't heard many nice things about them.
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I've heard that the plastic mags can't be opened/disassembled and cleaned like the metal mags. Is that true or only for certain brands?

Not being able to clean a mag would be a deal breaker for me. Plastic just doesn't seem right for a mag. They can take a lot of abuse getting knocked around and driven into the ground.
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I've heard that the plastic mags can't be opened/disassembled and cleaned like the metal mags. Is that true or only for certain brands?

Not being able to clean a mag would be a deal breaker for me. Plastic just doesn't seem right for a mag. They can take a lot of abuse getting knocked around and driven into the ground.
Most if not all mags can be disassembled.
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Along with reasonable prices, this video pretty much sums up why the pmag is the go to brand and is trusted by almost everybody.

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I've heard that the plastic mags can't be opened/disassembled and cleaned like the metal mags. Is that true or only for certain brands?

Not being able to clean a mag would be a deal breaker for me. Plastic just doesn't seem right for a mag. They can take a lot of abuse getting knocked around and driven into the ground.
Pmags are easily taken apart and put back together. just simply push the button on the bottom and slide the plate off and pull out the spring and follower.. then just slide the plate back on after you put everything back and you're good to go
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I have both Mission First Tactical, and HexMag polymer mags. Both have easily removeable floorplates to drop the guts and clean them.

Takes less time to take one apart than to type the 2 sentences above.
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New shooter as well, and live in a state where our limit is 15 rounds per magazine. I went with hexmags because they are easily converted back to full capacity by replacing the spring with a full-size, and removing the plastic insert that restricts capacity. The follower and base plate are exactly the same as the full capacity magazines. I will add that they are extremely easy to take apart and clean.

This way if I go to a neighboring "free" state I can easily convert them back in a matter of seconds.

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Check this place out. They have the lowest prices on the interweb, always have great deals, and, low, low shipping costs. Good luck!

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I appreciate the feedback that everyone has given me. Sounds like everyone uses the pmags, but those who have the hexmags like them.

One of the reasons I inquired about the hexmags is for things like this
Design Hex Black & Grey Flag - The Tactical Shack
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I appreciate the feedback that everyone has given me. Sounds like everyone uses the pmags, but those who have the hexmags like them.

One of the reasons I inquired about the hexmags is for things like this
Design Hex Black & Grey Flag - The Tactical Shack
If you're into magazine decals check out patriotskinz.com, they have a decent variety to choose from for both hex and pmags.
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If you're into magazine decals check out patriotskinz.com, they have a decent variety to choose from for both hex and pmags.
It isn't that I am "into" mag decals, I just like being a little different when I go to the range.
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Since my other (first) 5.56 eater is an SU-16C, I use USGI or other metal mags, which allow the Kel-Tec's underfolding stock to function. I have polymers of various flavors, just because.
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Not to say you will slide a mag into your rifle at a bit of an angle but, if you do, a steel mag scrapes the magwell and a polymer mag doesn't. I bought 4 brownells metal mags and when empty they rattle like crazy. Kind of like a loose adjustable stock-it doesn't actually hurt anything but is annoying as hell. I am very happy w/ p-mags.
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Those are good mags but pricey for what you are getting. IMHO
As everyone else - including yourself - has retorted on this site (and others) every time I mention price as a consideration, I will in this case likewise ask you question, what price do you put on your life?

The stainless steel magazines will not rust, corrode or deform under the tension of the spring. They are currently about $14 each from CDNN. CDNN sells PMags for about $10 each. Gander Mountain has PMags for $14 each (no shipping charge, of course, but you do pick up a sales tax). Are you really saying that $4 a magazine is worth betting your life on the "creep" of plastic under constant strain?
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Not to say you will slide a mag into your rifle at a bit of an angle but, if you do, a steel mag scrapes the magwell and a polymer mag doesn't.
Actually, that's exactly what you're saying.

But what is your point? Neither the C-Products magazines I got from CDNN or the aluminum magazines I got from Palmetto State Armory rattle in the magazine well of either of my ARs.

Even if they did, I doubt they would impact reliablity. The GM-built M-16 I carried in basic training was so sloppy that the upper and lower receivers could be bent to nearly a 45 degree angle and the magazine rattled like a drum, yet I never had a failure on the rifle range.
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Okay, so you're admitting you're intentionally violating state law. That makes you a self-confessed criminal. All a zealous prosecutor needs is this post and discovery of the components in your possesion to convict you of a serious crime - a crime that may prohibit you from ever touching a gun again.

This is not joke. It should be cautionary for people who live in states with magazine capacity limits. If you have the components to convert a post-ban magazine to pre-ban capacity, the local prosecutor may allege that mere possesion of these components indicated intent to convert the magazine and thus violate the law. There is plenty of caselaw at both the state and federal level to back up such presumed intent.

Don't violate your state's gun laws.

If you do, have the good sense to not post it on a public forum for everyone to see.
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Okay, so you're admitting you're intentionally violating state law. That makes you a self-confessed criminal. All a zealous prosecutor needs is this post and discovery of the components in your possesion to convict you of a serious crime - a crime that may prohibit you from ever touching a gun again.

This is not joke. It should be cautionary for people who live in states with magazine capacity limits. If you have the components to convert a post-ban magazine to pre-ban capacity, the local prosecutor may allege that mere possesion of these components indicated intent to convert the magazine and thus violate the law. There is plenty of caselaw at both the state and federal level to back up such presumed intent.

Don't violate your state's gun laws.

If you do, have the good sense to not post it on a public forum for everyone to see.
I do not believe that is what he is saying at all. What he said was that he went with the Hexmag because the Mags are the same size regardless of the capacity. The PMags are different sized for different amount of ammo, which has its benefits just like the Hexmag benefit of being a "catch all". However, the poster was saying that he made the choice because it was easy to convert when traveling to other states. Is it possession of criminal tools...possibly, but I think that it would be a stretch since the sale of conversion kits is not illegal, just the use of the conversion kit. The same thing could be said for cars...there is track legal versus street legal. Track legal is not against the law to own or be in possession of, what is illegal is to use said items on the street. That is like saying that owning a flat head screwdriver is illegal, or those nifty hot/cold bags that you can purchase in the freezer section of your favorite grocery store. You can use a screwdriver to pry open a lock or a door, but if you are not using the item to commit a crime is it illegal to own? The hot/cold bags block the sensors at most department stores (meaning you wont beep as you pass the sensors as you walk out the door) but you can buy them without any hesitation.
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As everyone else - including yourself - has retorted on this site (and others) every time I mention price as a consideration, I will in this case likewise ask you question, what price do you put on your life?

The stainless steel magazines will not rust, corrode or deform under the tension of the spring. They are currently about $14 each from CDNN. CDNN sells PMags for about $10 each. Gander Mountain has PMags for $14 each (no shipping charge, of course, but you do pick up a sales tax). Are you really saying that $4 a magazine is worth betting your life on the "creep" of plastic under constant strain?
You are foolish to think that the difference in stainless steel C-Mags, PMags or Alum USGI mags will make a difference in a life or death situation. Mags are disposable wear items not lifetime investments.

SS C-mags are good mags. Nothing wrong with them but paying more money for the SS body does not make sense to me because it does not equate to better performance.

Pmags are proven to work. They are proven to last and they are cheaper. I pay about $8 for Gen2s with no covers shipped to my door. I can get USGI D&H mags with Magpul followers for $6.99 shipped. I am not going to get 75% to 100% better performance out of a SS C-mag am I?

I do not believe that the added weight is worth a slight hypothetical uptick in durability. The springs and followers are much more likely to fail me than the body IMHO. This is why I shoot what I shoot and I am willing to bet my life on them. If a mag fails I will hank it out and load another as I have trained myself to do.

Part of my comment was also the fact you are overpaying for C-mags. At $14 CDNN is raping you. You can get the C-mags with the Birdsongs Black T finish for $9.99. At that price if I wants some heavier mags I might consider them.

Your what is your life worth argument is a red herring. Your claims have no foundation in objective fact only hyperbole.

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HEXMAG S2 30 rounders inserts, feeds, and removes flawlessly with my M&P15 Sport II. Heard Troy Battle mags ares good, too.
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Hexmags work just fine, but I find the polymer they are made from a little 'slicker' than the textured finish of the PMAG. Not a big deal unless they get covered in something slippery, we did a drill where the instructor covered our hands in baby oil (sounds weird but a useful experience) before we ran through all of our usual reload / failure simulation drills, and I was glad I had PMAGs with me instead of Hexmag / USGI.
Mentally substitute blood for baby oil. Now it really hits home.

I have some black teflon coated 15 rd mags for bench work. No way could I ever manipulate them with bloody hands.

I have both Mission First Tactical and Hex Mags polymer mags. I think the MFT have better "grip"
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Mentally substitute blood for baby oil. Now it really hits home.

I have some black teflon coated 15 rd mags for bench work. No way could I ever manipulate them with bloody hands.

I have both Mission First Tactical and Hex Mags polymer mags. I think the MFT have better "grip"
How do Mission First Tactical Mags with regards to insertion, feeding, and removal per the S&W M&P 15 Sport II? Thank you in advance.
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You are foolish to think that the difference in stainless steel C-Mags, PMags or Alum USGI mags will make a difference in a life or death situation.
I disagree.

Plastic deforms under constant stress. Metal does, too; only less so.

I have 30+ year old steel magazines that were loaded with cartridges for that entire timeframe and still feed reliably. The plastic body magazines I have from the same time are now junk.
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I do not believe that is what he is saying at all.
It is literally what he is saying. He said he took pre-ban componentsd and used them to create a magazine that was would be banned under current law. Any prosecutor worth his salt could characterize that as "manufacturing" and thus a violation of the law and admission of a criminal activity.
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Over what time period?

If you're keeping your magazines unloaded and you're waiting for Armageddon sometine in the far future, then, yeah, the PMag may be a viable choice. If you keep your magazines loaded (with the spring and magazine body under tension) then my experience over 30+ years is that plastic body magazines are NOT the way to go and will feed less reliably than steel or aluminum magazines.
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If you're keeping your magazines unloaded and you're waiting for Armageddon sometine in the far future, then, yeah, the PMag may be a viable choice. If you keep your magazines loaded (with the spring and magazine body under tension) then my experience over 30+ years is that plastic body magazines are NOT the way to go and will feed less reliably than steel or aluminum magazines.
Hence............... The Lancer L5 AWM. Plastic body.....steel reinforced lips. Never say never. Never say always. Lancer Systems L5 AWM Advanced Warfighter Mag AR-15 223 Remington

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How do Mission First Tactical Mags with regards to insertion, feeding, and removal per the S&W M&P 15 Sport II? Thank you in advance.
I do not know. I don't own a Smith AR. I check out this forum as I own 4 S&W pistols, and a 5th that takes S&W mags. The info here is quite good, and overall, applies to any AR. I do shoot a lot of Bullseye pistol competitions.

As for the Mission First mags, they are relatively new. Maybe since 2014. They started with a blank drawing board, and looked at the strengths and weaknesses of the current poly mags, and tried to eliminate all their shortcomings. The only thing I can think that would make them perfect is if they added the steel reinforcement to the feed lips like Lancer does. But, I'm sure there is a GOOD reason they didn't.
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Hence............... The Lancer L5 AWM. Plastic body.....steel reinforced lips. Never say never. Never say always. Lancer Systems L5 AWM Advanced Warfighter Mag AR-15 223 Remington

I'm going to have to try those out and see how they do. My MVP Patrol uses the same mags but doesn't like the thick feed lips the polymer mags have. I have to slap them hard to get the mags to lock. So far only steel or aluminum mags fit properly. Thanks!
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I'm going to have to try those out and see how they do. My MVP Patrol uses the same mags but doesn't like the thick feed lips the polymer mags have. I have to slap them hard to get the mags to lock. So far only steel or aluminum mags fit properly. Thanks!

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Thank you. I'm going to try one first in case the feed lips are not the only issue with them fitting into the rifle. If they do work, I'll get more.
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Thank you. I'm going to try one first in case the feed lips are not the only issue with them fitting into the rifle. If they do work, I'll get more.
That's what I do.
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In California and I also have a new rifle. I purchased extra pmags and hex mags and have not been disappointed with either. I shot through 3 full hex mags without a malfunction in any of them. I will say that if your bolt is forward and your mag is full, it can be hard to get the magazine locked in the well, requires a bit of extra pressure upon insertion. Other than that, they have worked great for me. I ordered from CheaperThanDirt, they have a great price on them.

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In California and I also have a new rifle. I purchased extra pmags and hex mags and have not been disappointed with either. I shot through 3 full hex mag loads (90 rounds) without a malfunction in any of them. I will say that if your bolt is forward and your mag is full, it can be hard to get the magazine locked in the well, requires a bit of extra pressure upon insertion. Other than that, they have worked great for me. I ordered from CheaperThanDirt. I highly recommend ordering from there, especially if you are in Califor nia. You will be very pleasantly surprised.
If I'm reading your post correctly, you need to take those Hexmags and mod or dispose of them very quickly. 30rd Hexmags have never been legal in California. The only legal ones are the 10/30's.
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In California and I also have a new rifle. I purchased extra pmags and hex mags and have not been disappointed with either. I shot through 3 full hex mag loads (90 rounds) without a malfunction in any of them. I will say that if your bolt is forward and your mag is full, it can be hard to get the magazine locked in the well, requires a bit of extra pressure upon insertion. Other than that, they have worked great for me. I ordered from CheaperThanDirt. I highly recommend ordering from there, especially if you are in Califor nia. You will be very pleasantly surprised.
I'm not sure f your post was directed at me or not. In case it was. The Mossberg MVP is a bolt rifle designed to use AR15 magazines. While what you say is true concerning a full magazine, bolt open or closed doesn't make a difference. I think it is the material thickness of the polymer vs metal magazine at the feed lips that is the difference. Metal pops right in bolt open or closed. Polymer has to be hit so hard it hurts the hand some. Both snap right in with no problems with the AR.
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I have a few of everything but prefer the PMags but that is just my preference.
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