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Old 12-12-2016, 09:47 AM
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Not quit where they were but they are getting close. IMHO the real floor of the Sport II is $499 but prior to the election people were getting $699.

Looks like they are starting to move backdown. $569 Shipped!

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I agree on the floor of $499, that's dirt cheap for the Sport.
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I agree on the floor of $499, that's dirt cheap for the Sport.
I think they will get there sometime in 2017. There are just so many AR15s on the market now that the price point for entry level guns like the Sport II has to keep coming down.
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The time to buy may be right now, considering the building momentum in the clear effort to overturn the election. I'd like to think it's a long-shot, but I don't put anything past these bastages. I'm thinking we're still not as out-of-the-woods as we'd like to think.
And if these Sport II's ever get down to $499, I'm gonna have a real tough time not jumping in myself !
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The time to buy may be right now, considering the building momentum in the clear effort to overturn the election. I'd like to think it's a long-shot, but I don't put anything past these bastages. I'm thinking we're still not as out-of-the-woods as we'd like to think.
And if these Sport II's ever get down to $499, I'm gonna have a real tough time not jumping in myself !
They were down to that about 6-7 months ago. IIRC
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They were down to that about 6-7 months ago. IIRC
Okay,yeah, you busted me. I guess I meant to type that if they get down to $499...............AGAIN.........then I might be into another one.
The political landscape is (or appears to be) vastly different than it was 6-7 months ago. Back then (and in '08 and after the Newtown tragedy), my mindset was to liquidate potential "future felonies", not acquire them.
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Okay,yeah, you busted me. I guess I meant to type that if they get down to $499...............AGAIN.........then I might be into another one.
The political landscape is (or appears to be) vastly different than it was 6-7 months ago. Back then (and in '08 and after the Newtown tragedy), my mindset was to liquidate potential "future felonies", not acquire them.
I think that 2017 is going to be a buyers year. Inventories are high and sales are avg because there is no panic. The used market will be on fire because early panic buyers will start to liquidate guns they don't shoot and didn't "need".
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I think that 2017 is going to be a buyers year.
I agree.

I think an additional factor is going to be that with the panic buying subsiding, people who prioritized buying guns and ammunition will now have to attend to the things they deferred to buy those guns like a new washing machine, new shoes for the kids or repairs to the car.

My wife urged me to get an AR we could later give to our son when he reached age 18 fearing they might cease to be available after the election. Now that Hillary is not President, she's talking about replacing the shower in one of the bathrooms and that's where all my "gun money" will go in 2017.
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S&W should remove the Magpul sights, to reduce the cost, and let the buyer chose his own.
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S&W should remove the Magpul sights, to reduce the cost, and let the buyer chose his own.
Disagree... no more cost cutting on this rifle is necessary. Removing the MBUS rear sight would have very little effect on the retail price and would take away the selling point of being ready to shoot straight out of the box.
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Disagree... no more cost cutting on this rifle is necessary. Removing the MBUS rear sight would have very little effect on the retail price and would take away the selling point of being ready to shoot straight out of the box.
Agree, and it's a plus when competing against the Aero's of the world which don't have a rear sight and they normally are pretty much zero'd so you can shoot them right out of the box.
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Agree, and it's a plus when competing against the Aero's of the world which don't have a rear sight and they normally are pretty much zero'd so you can shoot them right out of the box.
I think the real competition for the Sport II in the future is the SA Saint. They have a high level of no nonsense QC and customer service. On top of that once that rifle hits its proper price which IMHO is right around $700 it constitutes a better value with the BCM furniture, mid-length gas system, quality metal rear sight & BCM PNT trigger.

The things that most people are changing out on their $500-$600 Sport II is already done on the Saint minus the removal of the A2 sight post.
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The market may indeed drop, but I'm not counting my chickens just yet.
Pollyanna, I ain't.
But I sure hope you're right, and I won't begrudge the 600 I paid for mine.
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Hate to say it, but I think there's a lot of wishing and hoping going on. With the loss of the California mkt, there is an excess of production. Some of the boutique manufacturers will go out of business. The big people like S&W, Ruger, and Springfield will reduce how many they make to keep profits up. So, any price drop will be temporary to allow the supply pipeline to empty. After that prices will stabilize at a level close to pre-election levels. Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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Hate to say it, but I think there's a lot of wishing and hoping going on. With the loss of the California mkt, there is an excess of production. Some of the boutique manufacturers will go out of business. The big people like S&W, Ruger, and Springfield will reduce how many they make to keep profits up. So, any price drop will be temporary to allow the supply pipeline to empty. After that prices will stabilize at a level close to pre-election levels. Just my opinion for what it's worth.
The problem with that concept is that S&W, Ruger and SA are all built on a volume model. They have to move a ton of units to make money. If they self cut their economy of scale they will not be any better than smaller companies.

I actually think that "boutique" companies with strong followings will do better in 2017 because they do not rely on volume, pennies of profit on every unit, to survive.

I agree you will see a dip to sell of excess inventory but I cannot see a Sport II going for $650-$700 in 2017.
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This or sell one with an option for s carry handle.....

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The Ruger and Sport II make great stocking stuffers at the current rate in my area for $600. In Texas they may have fluctuated up to $650 at any given time but now they are back down to the $600 dollar mark. You can buy a Ruger from Bud's for $608 with no shipping cost. And Ruger and SW have decent quality control so I am not going to sit around waiting for them to come down, going to give them to the SILs that have never had a black rifle.......I am trying to shape the next generation to be strong supporters of the 2nd amendment. Would I like to see these entry level guns come down to the mid $500s, sure but I am not going to let the price difference having me waiting until a price drop comes, if it ever does.......
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The original Sport came with the chopped carry handle style sights. Most people wanted folding sights over those, and the Magpul folding rear sight was cheaper too, so S&W changed them. Do you think it affected the MSRP? It didn't.

The Sport II, equipped with the MBUS rear sight is equipped the way an entry level rifle should be, ready to fire out of the box. Removing that sight would have minimal, if any effect on the price of the rifle, especially if the price continues downward. And the newbies that the rifle is marketed and priced for don't know what they really want yet.

If you want a S&W M&P 15 rifle that you choose what sights you would like to put on it, S&W has you covered with the M&P 15 OR.
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If you want a S&W M&P 15 rifle that you choose what sights you would like to put on it, S&W has you covered with the M&P 15 OR.
Wonder why one-piece gas block folders aren't more popular on rifles like the Sport. Of course it would be a few bucks more but it sure would avoid a lot of Sport buyers' headaches. I remember first seeing that configuration offered by Bushmaster a couple decades ago, but I can't remember the last time I saw a rifle equipped with one. Maybe scorched fingers is a reason they're not popular?

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Where are they selling for $569? They're $619 at my local shop.


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In stock at KY Gun Co for $579 inc shipping.

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The Ruger and Sport II make great stocking stuffers
Will you come to my house Santa...........I have my stocking hanging on the fireplace mantle waiting for a new Sport II. Hope to see you Christmas night!
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Will you come to my house Santa...........I have my stocking hanging on the fireplace mantle waiting for a new Sport II. Hope to see you Christmas night!


Unfortunately I have two son in laws in front of you and opted for the optic ready versions instead of the M&Ps. That way no whining about who got the better AR. I saved the Colts for me though.


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They are a great deal in my opinion, even at $569.00. They seem quality built and are backed by a S&W warranty which is really good.
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They are a great deal in my opinion, even at $569.00. They seem quality built and are backed by a S&W warranty which is really good.
They are a decent deal at $569. Saw $559 somewhere the other day but I still think there are better deals out there for about the same $$$ ... but since this is a S&W M&P rifle section I won't post about it.

When they hit the $500 price range they are a no brainer but at $569 you can do better. IMHO
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Actually if I add any more evil black guns to my safe I'll have to ask Santa for a bigger safe.


I know the feeling of needing another safe, just found a second hand Liberty that I think I will be picking up after the holidays for a very reasonable 300 bucks. The seller is moving and it isn't going with him


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I think the real competition for the Sport II in the future is the SA Saint. They have a high level of no nonsense QC and customer service. On top of that once that rifle hits its proper price which IMHO is right around $700 it constitutes a better value with the BCM furniture, mid-length gas system, quality metal rear sight & BCM PNT trigger.

The things that most people are changing out on their $500-$600 Sport II is already done on the Saint minus the removal of the A2 sight post.
For those of us who want our guns to meet certain specs, comparing the Sport II to the Saint is apples and oranges.

The biggest difference is the twist rate. While a 1:9 (SII) compared to 1:8 (SAS) does not seem like much, it is if you primarily shoot lighter bullets. 1:9 is the maximum twist I accept in a 223.

And while I'm sure the Saint is a great deal *IF* you like the furniture it comes with.... what if you don't and would change it anyway?
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For those of us who want our guns to meet certain specs, comparing the Sport II to the Saint is apples and oranges.

The biggest difference is the twist rate. While a 1:9 (SII) compared to 1:8 (SAS) does not seem like much, it is if you primarily shoot lighter bullets. 1:9 is the maximum twist I accept in a 223.

And while I'm sure the Saint is a great deal *IF* you like the furniture it comes with.... what if you don't and would change it anyway?
Then you would choose another rifle because you are removing the "value" that the SA represents. For me unless an off the shelf rifles configuration including furniture appeals to you there is no need to buy it. The whole purpose of off the shelf guns like the Sport II or SA are buying a gun that doesn't need changes to shoot it.

There is nothing wrong with the Sport II's configuration if it meets the desired need. If they drop back down to $500 I might buy 3 of them for truck/car carbines. Throw it in the trunk and not worry about it but in a pinch I have a self defense carbine ready to go. I would not need a rail or anything special I need iron sights and for it to function.

In the end I would ask the same question you asked me about the Saint about the Sport II. Why do so many people buy it but replace the furniture before it has seen 1000 round through it. You shooting light bullets and wanting a 1/9 twist puts you in the minority of shooters but if that is what you want the Sport may represent value for you. Its all a matter of perspective and needs.

What does not make any sense to me is what I see far too often here. Someone buys the Sport II based on price point and name recognition. They buy it because it is $500 to $650. They really know nothing about it or what they really want in a AR15 but they gotta have one. They then proceed to spend $200-$300 swapping parts to get the rifle they really want when they could have bought the rifle or built the rifle they "really" wanted for less than the Sport II + the upgrades. If you don't like the furniture on Saint then don't buy it.

My point is that for people who like the BCM stuff, or want a more comfortable grip and a rail system, the SA it represents value. Most of the entry level buyers who are buying entry level rifles don't know what they like. They do not necessarily have "gear" preferences but IHMO the BCM stuff like the stock and the handgaurd make the rifle more comfortable to shoot over the milspec stuff. The BCM rail having M-lok slots makes it better than the Sport IIs unlined GI handguards. Maybe you don't agree. If you don't buy a complete rifle that has what you want on it or build it.

Personally I am not choosing either. If I wanted and entry level rifle I would buy a PSA lower parts kit with stock of choice. $129 + $35 Anderson lower + $99 LaRue MBT trigger and a $259 to $299 PSA Complete upper with Keymond or M Lok rail Magpul sights included and a $99 PSA tested FA BCG with a charging handle.

I would be out the door at $661.

Or I would buy Aero OEM $449 with a mid gas system and put an Aero keymod or Mlok rail for $79 plus a stock of choice figure $75. Then add BUIS for $89.

I would be out the door at $698 with transfer.

Either of these configurations will perform as well of better than the Saint or the Sport II IMHO.
Especially the PSA build because the trigger in that build is far superior to even the BCM PNT found in the Saint. Clearly YMMV.
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I see this as making mountains out of molehills. The simple fact is the Sport II is priced decently, has good specs, and has basic furniture that really has no significant value should someone want to replace it.

Replacing the front sight assembly would cost more. If someone bought the gun intending to replace it immediately, I can see your point. If they decided to try it and then down the road decide something else might work better, I see that as a non-issue.

The Magpul rear sight is one of the less expensive folding sights. I don't see it as a big deal if someone wants to replace it.

CAR forends are a dime a dozen. So what if someone wants to replace it with a Magpul? Sure S&W makes a model with Magpul furniture. But, the one I saw at a dealer cost MORE than swapping Magpul furniture onto a Sport II.

So I see the Sport II as a good basic AR that can either be an entry level gun, or it can be a basic building block, or both.
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I see this as making mountains out of molehills. The simple fact is the Sport II is priced decently, has good specs, and has basic furniture that really has no significant value should someone want to replace it.

Replacing the front sight assembly would cost more. If someone bought the gun intending to replace it immediately, I can see your point. If they decided to try it and then down the road decide something else might work better, I see that as a non-issue.

The Magpul rear sight is one of the less expensive folding sights. I don't see it as a big deal if someone wants to replace it.

CAR forends are a dime a dozen. So what if someone wants to replace it with a Magpul? Sure S&W makes a model with Magpul furniture. But, the one I saw at a dealer cost MORE than swapping Magpul furniture onto a Sport II.

So I see the Sport II as a good basic AR that can either be an entry level gun, or it can be a basic building block, or both.
Great then you should buy one or two. If you look closely at that magpul S&W you are getting more than just some fancy plastic furnature. I would suggest you look at the forum closely lots of people are removing the A2 sight.
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Great then you should buy one or two. If you look closely at that magpul S&W you are getting more than just some fancy plastic furnature. I would suggest you look at the forum closely lots of people are removing the A2 sight.
I did buy one.

Intended to replace the A2 sight with either a rail or a folding sight, but for now am trying something else and am keeping it. If I can get a decent, solid, riser for the EOTech to 1/3 cowitness I won't have to replace the front sight. So far none of the risers I've looked at for the ~.300" range are solid. The .500" risers are too tall. I threw on some Magpul furniture I had laying around that came off another gun. So no cost there, they were in the parts bin.

Also keep in mind that my cast off parts are not scrap. They wind up in the parts bin for other builds, either mine or my pals.



Here it is with the addition of the EOTech and Magpul furniture. The rear sight is still the factory supplied Magpul. I'm experimenting with other sights right now. Still need a riser for the EOtech.
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Replacing the front sight assembly would cost more. If someone bought the gun intending to replace it immediately, I can see your point. If they decided to try it and then down the road decide something else might work better, I see that as a non-issue.
I counted at least 5 threads on the front page where the user wants to get rid of the FSB. "I'm new" or "I just picked up" are key phrases in many of these threads.

Many folks have purchased the Sport as a base to build on. Five years ago, it made sense. Today there are better choices and more options.
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It is always nice to have extra funds to do what you want when you want but not everyone does. The thread is also not just about getting a gun at a particular price but also about the state of the AR15 market in general. I am not sure it has hit it bottom even at $500.
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Glad to see prices are dropping for most people. Saw one report that something like 365000+ AR/AK's were sold here in California in 2016. Reportedly the number sold in 2015 was on the order of 154000.
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