Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-19-2016, 04:54 PM
sgtsandman's Avatar
sgtsandman sgtsandman is offline
US Veteran
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Posts: 1,120
Likes: 268
Liked 489 Times in 335 Posts
Default The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV

Mud Test: Mattel Death Trap! (The Vietnam Era AR15/M16)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #2  
Old 12-19-2016, 05:51 PM
vonn's Avatar
vonn vonn is offline
US Veteran
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: houston,texas
Posts: 4,787
Likes: 73,303
Liked 16,704 Times in 3,793 Posts
Default

Glad it isn't my weapon they are playing with!
__________________
Hue 68 noli me tangere
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:21 PM
M&P-LOVER M&P-LOVER is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 16
Likes: 5
Liked 26 Times in 9 Posts
Default

For most recreational shooter they can get away with it, but being used in Afghan. Or Iraq then I can see needing it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:32 PM
sgtsandman's Avatar
sgtsandman sgtsandman is offline
US Veteran
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Posts: 1,120
Likes: 268
Liked 489 Times in 335 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by M&P-LOVER View Post
For most recreational shooter they can get away with it, but being used in Afghan. Or Iraq then I can see needing it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
I've never seen dust and/or sand like in the Middle East. It gets into EVERYTHING, no matter how sealed it is. That is one instance where a dust cover helps but the rifle needs to be run dry too.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #5  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:33 PM
M&P-LOVER M&P-LOVER is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 16
Likes: 5
Liked 26 Times in 9 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtsandman View Post
I've never seen dust and/or sand like in the Middle East. It gets into EVERYTHING, no matter how sealed it is. That is one instance where a dust cover helps but the rifle needs to be run dry too.


The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:34 PM
Mike, SC Hunter Mike, SC Hunter is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: In The Woods Of S.C.
Posts: 2,980
Likes: 1,857
Liked 2,437 Times in 1,013 Posts
Default

Don't believe everything U see on tv............
__________________
S&W Accumulator
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:35 PM
Hillbillyhero Hillbillyhero is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 46
Likes: 29
Liked 12 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Yeah deff don't need one unless your in a theater of war. I've never had to use the forward assist yet and that's after shooting a col thousand rounds. I guess it gives people peace of mind in the civilian world having those things.

Sent from my P00C using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:52 PM
Bullet Bob's Avatar
Bullet Bob Bullet Bob is online now
US Veteran
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Western NC
Posts: 2,145
Likes: 724
Liked 2,218 Times in 702 Posts
Default

Actually the forward assist was one of those things the military insisted on "because soldiers want something to push on like they're used to". They were referring to the M-14 (and M-1) operating rod.

Eugene Stoner didn't want one; he felt if pushing on the thumb divot on the bolt didn't seat the round, the best thing was to get that round outa there. I personally agree with him.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #9  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:57 PM
WR Moore WR Moore is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,677
Likes: 60
Liked 840 Times in 498 Posts
Default

I do know that if you walk around in the rain without the dust cover closed, the magazine catches a lot of water given a muzzle down carry.

Couple more guys looking for their 15 minutes of fame and "expert" status.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 12-19-2016, 06:57 PM
Mark IV's Avatar
Mark IV Mark IV is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Georgia
Posts: 338
Likes: 512
Liked 247 Times in 131 Posts
Default

While both features are admittedly "nice", and look real cool, they are largely un-necessary.
The scallop on the bolt already allows the user to seat a slightly out-of-battery round, so the forward assist often just serves to make a genuine jam, worse. It's redundant, if not counter productive.
But, the military boys got them, so every tubby,basement-dwelling Doofus With A Debit Card (DWADC) just gots to have them too. (this pretty much describes the entire AR/AK upgrade/accessory market).
The dust cover is actually a beneficial feature, but as stated already, in severely dusty environments, it's still nearly useless.
And these severely dusty environments don't exist in the vast majority of this country.
And, of course, in the middle of one of these popularly imagined, domestic, 1000-rd firefights, the dust cover will still be wide open the entire time. Whatcha gonna do THEN ??
As I said, they're nice to have (sorta), and they surely look cool, but their value in the real world is not nearly is high as is generally assumed.
(I never felt even remotely under-gunned with a humble Sport I).
That is all .
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 12-19-2016, 07:00 PM
Hillbillyhero Hillbillyhero is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 46
Likes: 29
Liked 12 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Yeah if I were in actual combat give me a forward assist in case.

Sent from my P00C using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #12  
Old 12-19-2016, 07:00 PM
Hillbillyhero Hillbillyhero is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 46
Likes: 29
Liked 12 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullet Bob View Post
Actually the forward assist was one of those things the military insisted on "because soldiers want something to push on like they're used to". They were referring to the M-14 (and M-1) operating rod.

Eugene Stoner didn't want one; he felt if pushing on the thumb divot on the bolt didn't seat the round, the best thing was to get that round outa there. I personally agree with him.
Me too..don't force it if it won't go.

Sent from my P00C using Tapatalk

Last edited by Hillbillyhero; 12-19-2016 at 07:04 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #13  
Old 12-19-2016, 09:34 PM
vonn's Avatar
vonn vonn is offline
US Veteran
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: houston,texas
Posts: 4,787
Likes: 73,303
Liked 16,704 Times in 3,793 Posts
Default

Fun to follow post,one of those things that has strong views for and against! Some good points on both sides. Never needed a forward assist but don't mind having it just in case,like having a dust cover helps keep trash out of the action when in the field.
__________________
Hue 68 noli me tangere
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 12-19-2016, 09:51 PM
LAA LAA is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 449
Likes: 145
Liked 274 Times in 168 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark IV View Post
While both features are admittedly "nice", and look real cool, they are largely un-necessary.
The scallop on the bolt already allows the user to seat a slightly out-of-battery round, so the forward assist often just serves to make a genuine jam, worse. It's redundant, if not counter productive.
But, the military boys got them, so every tubby,basement-dwelling Doofus With A Debit Card (DWADC) just gots to have them too. (this pretty much describes the entire AR/AK upgrade/accessory market).
The dust cover is actually a beneficial feature, but as stated already, in severely dusty environments, it's still nearly useless.
And these severely dusty environments don't exist in the vast majority of this country.
And, of course, in the middle of one of these popularly imagined, domestic, 1000-rd firefights, the dust cover will still be wide open the entire time. Whatcha gonna do THEN ??
As I said, they're nice to have (sorta), and they surely look cool, but their value in the real world is not nearly is high as is generally assumed.
(I never felt even remotely under-gunned with a humble Sport I).
That is all .
Ah................it's just the wanna-be's that go for the so called
extra weighty addons such as the forward assist & dust cover.

Good to know......

edit: I'm being a bit sarcastic. Do think P-40s were good looking for their time, though.

Last edited by LAA; 12-19-2016 at 09:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 12-19-2016, 10:16 PM
rangers484 rangers484 is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 7
Likes: 2
Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Default

A recent study has shown that Sports w/o a dust cover and Sport 2s with the dust cover open get a minimal amount of dust in them while in the gun cabinet or being transported in the trunk of the Wagon Queen Family Truckster.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #16  
Old 12-19-2016, 10:18 PM
Collo Rosso's Avatar
Collo Rosso Collo Rosso is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Upstate South Carolina
Posts: 1,112
Likes: 598
Liked 1,260 Times in 504 Posts
Default

If you guys don't follow In Range take the time and watch some of their videos. Generally good stuff like shooting 2 gun matches with one using a Garand and a 1911, the other a K98k and a P-38.
They kept getting asked to do mud tests and gave in doing a few. They did a AK-47 and it kinda failed. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds! They did a AR and it had no problems like this one. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds again. They explained how the AK with lots of openings wouldn't do well and the AR with very little ways to let mud is just a different design, not better. The AK fan boys lost their minds again and accused them of all sorts of things. Pretty funny.
The guy with the goatee is Ian McCollum. He has a web site/video channel on his own, Forgotten Weapons. Great if your interested in the history of firearms.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 12-19-2016, 10:24 PM
Arik Arik is online now
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 14,918
Likes: 6,512
Liked 14,744 Times in 6,356 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullet Bob View Post
Actually the forward assist was one of those things the military insisted on "because soldiers want something to push on like they're used to". They were referring to the M-14 (and M-1) operating rod.

Eugene Stoner didn't want one; he felt if pushing on the thumb divot on the bolt didn't seat the round, the best thing was to get that round outa there. I personally agree with him.
The bullet isn't always the problem

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #18  
Old 12-19-2016, 10:32 PM
Arik Arik is online now
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 14,918
Likes: 6,512
Liked 14,744 Times in 6,356 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Collo Rosso View Post
If you guys don't follow In Range take the time and watch some of their videos. Generally good stuff like shooting 2 gun matches with one using a Garand and a 1911, the other a K98k and a P-38.
They kept getting asked to do mud tests and gave in doing a few. They did a AK-47 and it kinda failed. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds! They did a AR and it had no problems like this one. The AK fan boys lost their ever love'n minds again. They explained how the AK with lots of openings wouldn't do well and the AR with very little ways to let mud is just a different design, not better. The AK fan boys lost their minds again and accused them of all sorts of things. Pretty funny.
The guy with the goatee is Ian McCollum. He has a web site/video channel on his own, Forgotten Weapons. Great if your interested in the history of firearms.
I followed in range. The guy is on par with Gabe Suarez

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #19  
Old 12-19-2016, 10:34 PM
old tanker old tanker is online now
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Fort Knox, Kentucky
Posts: 432
Likes: 1,287
Liked 567 Times in 227 Posts
Default

About the only time the forward assist is useful is when you are trying to chamber a round "quietly." If you ride the charging handle home it is possible that the bolt may not go all the way into battery, then the forward assist is handy.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #20  
Old 12-19-2016, 10:39 PM
bloodlord77 bloodlord77 is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Virginia
Posts: 93
Likes: 1
Liked 30 Times in 18 Posts
Default

Obviously an AR doesn't NEED a foward assist, or dust cover to function. It also doesn't need the brass deflector. As a lefty, I sure am glad that brass deflector is on there. I'm also glad that all of my rifles have foward assists, and dust covers. As far as that goes, you really don't need magazines. You can simply drop a round into the chamber and drop the bolt...But those magazines sure are nice....
__________________
The Penetration Channel
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #21  
Old 12-19-2016, 10:42 PM
sgtsandman's Avatar
sgtsandman sgtsandman is offline
US Veteran
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Posts: 1,120
Likes: 268
Liked 489 Times in 335 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WR Moore View Post
I do know that if you walk around in the rain without the dust cover closed, the magazine catches a lot of water given a muzzle down carry.

Couple more guys looking for their 15 minutes of fame and "expert" status.
Think of you will of them but this isn't a "one of stunt" they do. It's a part of their regular regimen on that channel. They also have a very informative channel on Forgotten Weapons covering various old collection pieces and their history at various auction houses. Everyone has their opinions on different subjects.

It is also why I titled the thread like I did. Whether the firearm can handle that or some other torture test, I wouldn't want to do it to mine. Nice to know it will still function but I'd rather not test it unless I don't have a choice.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #22  
Old 12-20-2016, 12:44 AM
cyphertext cyphertext is offline
US Veteran
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Wylie, TX
Posts: 3,930
Likes: 857
Liked 2,969 Times in 1,631 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtsandman View Post
I've never seen dust and/or sand like in the Middle East. It gets into EVERYTHING, no matter how sealed it is. That is one instance where a dust cover helps but the rifle needs to be run dry too.
Didn't see the middle east, but I have lived at White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico. The dust there is a fine, gypsum sand that is almost like talcum powder... stuff got into everything. I didn't have an AR back then, but dust cover or not, I guarantee that stuff would get inside the rifle if it wasn't hermetically sealed.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #23  
Old 12-20-2016, 01:35 PM
Steve912 Steve912 is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 739
Likes: 765
Liked 575 Times in 321 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arik View Post
I followed in range. The guy is on par with Gabe Suarez
That's a blast from the past...is he still kickin'?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12-20-2016, 01:35 PM
Arik Arik is online now
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Outside Philadelphia Pa
Posts: 14,918
Likes: 6,512
Liked 14,744 Times in 6,356 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve912 View Post
That's a blast from the past...is he still kickin'?
Yea but he's now all into ARs

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 12-21-2016, 02:26 PM
stwings's Avatar
stwings stwings is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Michigan
Posts: 66
Likes: 90
Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts
Default

F/A is handy if you do snake head chamber checks, thats about it though.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 12-21-2016, 11:27 PM
oger oger is offline
SWCA Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Corvallis Oregon
Posts: 179
Likes: 1
Liked 72 Times in 48 Posts
Default

That guy is far too young to have ever used a real one in Nam. Try all of that bull on a weapon that fires 600RPM and see what happens.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 12-21-2016, 11:36 PM
Backlighting's Avatar
Backlighting Backlighting is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 732
Likes: 230
Liked 1,045 Times in 329 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike, SC Hunter View Post
Don't believe everything U see on tv............
Consider the source.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 12-22-2016, 03:06 PM
Brian in Oregon Brian in Oregon is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 681
Likes: 102
Liked 899 Times in 292 Posts
Default

I've found the dust cover to be very useful to keep dust and debris out. Use mine constantly in the field and when transporting in an open vehicle on dusty roads. Have no interest in an AR upper that lacks a dust cover. Wish some of my other non-ARs had dust covers.

As for the forward assist, I've only used it on one AR15, a real old reverse engineered beater that I got dirt cheap and spent the next year ironing out most of the bugs. No wonder it was a super bargain. Had to machine some parts out of spec to get them to work. The use of the forward assist, btw, had nothing to do with a round that would not chamber. The problem was the bolt did not go into battery on an empty chamber. Something, maybe debris, hung it up to the point where the action could not be opened. The forward assist was very useful in getting the action open by unjamming the bolt.

I prefer to have a forward assist, even though chances are I'll never need to use one on a quality AR. I view it as a dire emergency option and don't mind paying extra for it.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 12-22-2016, 06:34 PM
C J C J is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 541
Likes: 140
Liked 238 Times in 143 Posts
Default

Quote:
so every tubby,basement-dwelling Doofus With A Debit Card (DWADC)
Why put down people who are buying guns? We need all the political help we can get. I've seen lots of real GI's that were gung ** as heck about things they didn't need. That sure doesn't make them less valuable humans. I have neither a dust cover or a FA but I still don't want to see those who want that stuff singled out as some sort of wannabe. The same with the slam on family vehicles. I have one of the last true offroad SUV's not made by Jeep. And I'll keep it forever because I need it and the one I have is very hard to beat as far as equipment goes. I don't feel like some schmuck who just got a locking differential because it seems cool or I might want to do some 4-wheeling once every couple of years. I need it to get up my driveway in the winter.

My point is you can't just someone based on what they want out of life. It could well be someone in the desert that is wanting a dust cover. Heck back in the 1930's large parts of the country were called the "dust bowl" because the dust was so bad. Don't assume things like people are just wanting stuff because they read it's cool on some web page or saw it on TV. I doubt I'll ever need it because of the purpose for my AR but if I did need one I could work it out where I could make mine have one. That wouldn't suddenly make me a basement dwelling dreamer. I probably have seen more back country than 99% of the people on this board. Heck I was raised in the back country. You can't judge a book by what gets said on the net.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 12-22-2016, 07:35 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
SWCA Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 6,389
Likes: 1,253
Liked 5,755 Times in 1,980 Posts
Default

Have owned a Colt SP-1 without a FA since 1979 and while have never had it jam I have had my Bushmaster A2 HBAR jam on the range twice, in both instances the bolt did not go into full battery locking the lugs with enough force that the charging handle could not clear the jam, Luckily after a few bumps of the FA the bolt finally seated and I was able to then clear the chamber.

BTW when an AR15 jams like that you cannot open the receiver as the bolt body sits just back in the buttstock tube preventing the upper and lower receivers from tilting open.

Another member mentioned there is a cutout in the bolt body that could be coaxed fwd on a gun without a FA but my guess is that after firing a few magazines the metal could be hot enough to cause a burn .

Note that the two little holes in the bolt cutout are gas exhaust ports and provide a direct path to the rotating piston and its bore and my guess is that keeping fine sand out of there is probably a good idea.


On a side note another A1 improvement to the original AR15 design was the "Fence" surrounding the magazine release button which was added to prevent inadvertently dropping the magazine while the rifle was slung.

Bottom line while the dust cover and FA are probably not critical in a civilian sporting gun IMO for the few $'s they cost to add its better to have them and not need them then it is to need them and not have them .
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 12-22-2016, 07:49 PM
lowriderfxr's Avatar
lowriderfxr lowriderfxr is offline
SWCA Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LA USA
Posts: 1,243
Likes: 674
Liked 3,115 Times in 604 Posts
Default

I have a couple ARs. One has a dust cover and one doesn't. I'd say a dust cover on this one would be kinda pointless.

__________________
S&WCA 1699 ; S&WHF 483
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 12-22-2016, 08:37 PM
shocker's Avatar
shocker shocker is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 480
Likes: 141
Liked 250 Times in 154 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyphertext View Post
Didn't see the middle east, but I have lived at White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico. The dust there is a fine, gypsum sand that is almost like talcum powder... stuff got into everything. I didn't have an AR back then, but dust cover or not, I guarantee that stuff would get inside the rifle if it wasn't hermetically sealed.
Where I live was a lake bottom 10000 years ago so part of the sand is extremely fine. We are not at war currently so it's just a housekeeping nuisance. My PSA upper has the dust cover and FA and that's fine. They cause no trouble and might have a use.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 12-29-2016, 05:08 PM
Steve912 Steve912 is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 739
Likes: 765
Liked 575 Times in 321 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark IV View Post
The scallop on the bolt already allows the user to seat a slightly out-of-battery round, .
The 'scallop' is just as effective for pulling a difficult-to-extract round from the chamber, as for pushing the bolt closed, I reckon.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 01-02-2017, 03:30 PM
CoffeedrinerinNC CoffeedrinerinNC is offline
Member
The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV The AR doesn't need to have a dust cover, at least according to In Range TV  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

For a range gun, there is no need for the forward assist and dust cover. Unless your in combat, do not use the FA to force chamber a round.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
dust cover pin LASigmon Smith & Wesson M&P10 Rifles 4 11-07-2014 09:14 PM
15-22 dust cover reece27 Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 19 01-10-2013 08:06 PM
dust cover? rkillion Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 24 11-30-2012 03:20 PM
Dust cover for the 15-22 PainterlyShotgroup Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 153 04-28-2011 11:27 PM
Dust cover made from factory cover. PICS/VIDEO industrialfish Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 4 02-12-2011 07:01 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:35 PM.


S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2015
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)