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I'm going to go ahead and admit that I am COMPLETELY lost here! So, please bare with my general and probably annoying questions as they come up.

I am hoping to purchase a M&P15 for my husband for Valentines day. The catch is I don't want him to know so I can't ask him too many questions.

I know he wants ease of adding accessories. Adding on rails, red dot sights and a extra grip. Probably more I'm sure... He likes the tactical look.

He is an experienced shooter, and has worked with many rifles, shotguns and handguns. I've decided on the M&P15 because the S&W M&Ps are the most popular firearms in our house, we have a ton!

So. Opinions, thoughts? What would be a good M&P15 to get that he could easily add onto? I'm not hugely concerned about price, but I guess not too high would be nice since he's going to turn around and buy parts too.
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If he wants to "build up his own", then you don't start with a M&P... you will be paying for stuff that he doesn't want. You start with a stripped lower. If he doesn't really want to "build" but he wants certain rails, grips, etc., then you should look at rifles that come without stocks, handguards, sights, etc.... You buy what you want and add to the rifle. These are referred to as OEM models. Aero and Colt both have these kind of offerings. Unfortunately, S&W does not.

While this is a great gift you are wanting to get your husband, you should probably talk to him about it and let him pick what he wants.
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I'd recommend this one. Good luck.

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If he wants to "build up his own", then you don't start with a M&P... you will be paying for stuff that he doesn't want. You start with a stripped lower. If he doesn't really want to "build" but he wants certain rails, grips, etc., then you should look at rifles that come without stocks, handguards, sights, etc.... You buy what you want and add to the rifle. These are referred to as OEM models. Aero and Colt both have these kind of offerings. Unfortunately, S&W does not.

While this is a great gift you are wanting to get your husband, you should probably talk to him about it and let him pick what he wants.
Maybe build was the wrong word to use. But I know he would want to add specific things to it.

He also has a huge obsession with the M&Ps, I'm fairly certain I recall him saying he wanted a M&P15 when talking to his friend.

But you don't think the M&P15s would be a good idea if he plans on adding things to it?
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But you don't think the M&P15s would be a good idea if he plans on adding things to it?
You would want to get a configuration that is close to what he wants straight out of the box... otherwise it is a waste of money.

For example, Jagular recommended one in the post above. But if your husband wants a quad rail or prefers Key Mod over M-Lok, you wasted your money paying for a rail system that he is going to replace.

I'm sure some will recommend the Sport, since it is inexpensive... but if he wants a free float handguard, he will have to remove the flash hider and replace the A2 gas block (front sight) with a low profile gas block to get the rail system to fit.

There are just too many variables for anyone to recommend one without knowing exactly what your husband wants.
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Just sent you a PM with what I would recommend. They aren't S&W, so I'm not posting them here.

If you get more info on exactly what he would like, then come back and maybe we can match up a S&W that is close.
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Or go with the top of the line... M&P 15 VTAC II. I don't know any husband that wouldn't be happy with that rifle!
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Based off of his shotguns, he likes the quad rail. He likes to put things on and take them off all over those things. Not to mention it makes moving the grip easier when he takes me shooting(significant size difference between us).
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Based off of his shotguns, he likes the quad rail. He likes to put things on and take them off all over those things. Not to mention it makes moving the grip easier when he takes me shooting(significant size difference between us).
Ok... the quad rail is actually being replaced by the M-Lok and Key Mod systems... However, if he already has a lot of quad rail accessories such as vertical grips, lights, etc., he may not be interested in the latest and greatest rail systems.

If that is the case, you would be looking for the M&P 15T with quad rail that has been discontinued. But you should be able to still find it in stock. Like at this link...

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Or you could go with the M-Lok system and add pieces of quad rail where you want them. Not really the idea behind the M-Lok system, but it does allow you to use your older accessories with the newer system...

just more to think about.
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Oh goodness. Really? I guess that would make sense though. He's had those shotguns for oh 7 or so years now. And I know how he is, he would rather have more options for attachments. So since there are rail attachments you can get for the M-Lok, that would make more sense. I'm not concerned on weight either.

I really want this to be something he can have fun with. He's only been asking me for a AR15 for six years! Lol.
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Then he might like the 15T M-Lok that Jagular posted...

Honestly, I bet he will be thrilled with anything you get him. Good luck in your decision.
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I am with cyphertext on this one. If I were buying this for someone else I would not get a M&P unless you can get more information. You will be paying for parts he will not end up using. Some of those might be costly depending on what you purchase if he is going to strip the rifle down and build it back up. That however might not be what he is going to do. It sounds like he is an accessory oriented guy. Some clarification is necessary and it might help us help you. When you say this...

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I know he wants to build up his own. Adding on rails, red dot sights and a extra grip. Probably more I'm sure... He likes the tactical look.
What do you mean by build it up? For example this M&P 15T has a quad rail with nothing attached to it beyond BUIS, back up sights.



Now this is the same base gun which someone has accessorized.



If you look closely at the 2 pics you can see that the buttstock has been replaces with a Magpul CTR stock. They added and Eotech red dot with a 3X magnifier on a flip mount, a surefire foregrip and a tac light. It is pretty loaded down. Is this what you mean when you say he will "build it up"?

If it is do not I repeat do not get a Sport II. As cyphertext he will have to swap out the flash hider, the A2 gas block and replace it with a low profile gas block to get the rail system to fit and he will still have a lower end barrel vs a 15T or a Vtac.

The sport is not setup with rails to allow your husband to attach things to it without the above modifications. Those modifications are not hard but require about $150+ worth of tools to do quickly and properly IMHO. Plus you are getting a lesser barrel in the Sport. He could buy Mapul drop in furniture but really they are a bit of a compromise and are not made to be loaded down. IMHO



If you believe he really has his heart set on a M&P I would look at 2 rifles. First the new M&P 15T Tactical with M-LOK rail and the M&P VTAC.

I personally would recommend the M&P 15T M-LOK because of the following which I will detail below. You can get it here for $969 and will have to have it shipped to a local dealer who will transfer it to you. Don't get the older quad rail version unless you can get it cheap, $799 because most people are moving away from quad rails. Most people charge between $10 and $25 for this service. Online is often cheaper but you could also order one from the local shop and save the hassle of the transfer process.

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This gun will have a 1 in 8" 5R barrel which is desirable and a meaningful upgrade over the 1/9 twist barrel found on the budget sport. It has the Magpul M-LOK system which allows you to put rail sections only where you need them to attach lights, foregrip etc.... and none where you don't. It leaves the rail slimmer, lighter and easier on the hands than the older quad rail.

This gun is ready to go right out of the box but there is tons of room to accessorize. He will add a red dot, foregrip, light if he chooses. It has attachment points for any sling he chooses. He can also swap out the grip, the stock and the trigger without loosing too much $$$ on that process. These are much less costly vs the rail system IMHO because they do not require $150+ worth of tools to do them. This guns is a solid base to build on.

If you buy the VTAC S&W along with Viking Tactical has specd out a lot of the goodies for you. You get an upgraded trigger, stock, grip, rail, sling & light mount. If you love the configuration it is a decent deal around the $1500 mark but if you want to change out any of those you are wasting money which is why I don't recommend it for your husband in this instance unless he was picking it out himself. Chances are there is something he would do differently if that makes sense.



Now with all of that said. If it were me buying this rifle for your husband this is what I would buy him. It is not a S&W M&P but it will allow him to build a high end rifle exactly to his spec. It is a BCM OEM rifle. It does not come with a stock or a rail. It will cost you $899 give or take. Look out for Brownells coupons which could save you $25-$50 with free shipping. They have been running a lot of coupons these days.



AR-15 OEM RECCE MID-LENGTH LIGHTWEIGHT 16" RIFLE | Brownells

This is a RECCE specs lightweight mid-length gas premium AR15. I am a little bit of a BCM fan boy but they put together a nice rifle. Everything about this rifle is premium. This base will allow your husband to put the exact rail & stock he wants on the gun without wasting $$$ on parts he will not use. This give him the maximum flexibility IMHO but it comes at a cost. You are looking at another $300 to $500 to complete this rifle depending on what he chooses. It does not come with BUIS which the M&P 15T M-LOK does. Remember that is before he will add all of the same accessories I mentioned he could add to the M&P 15T M-LOK. You will have to go through the transfer process with this one because it is doubtful your local shop can get these.

The M&P 15T M-LOK will be a better value but the BCM OEM will give him more flexibility. Good luck... I am sure he will love whatever you get him.
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I'd say either the 15T or maybe even an M&P 15 OR. That way he can choose his owns sights too on the OR. This is all based on the fact that you do want to stick with the S&W line....which is a very solid choice.
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I'd say either the 15T or maybe even an M&P 15 OR. That way he can choose his owns sights too on the OR. This is all based on the fact that you do want to stick with the S&W line....which is a very solid choice.
I wouldn't go OR, simply because she knows that her husband wants to hang stuff off the rifle... and I am going to assume that he wants free float vs. a drop in, so the gas block becomes problematic.
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In this instance, yes I believe I used "build up" wrong. When I posted I didn't realize you could literally build an AR15 with pieces. Lol. He is definitely an attachments kind of guy. And to be perfectly honest I don't think he would go heavy into parts replacement even if I got him something he wouldn't have gotten himself.

I believe I'm going to go with the M&P15T with M-Lok. It has the esthetics he likes, and if I get the rail attachments he can start off with the items he already owns, and pick out new ones whenever he wants.

I'm actually really in love with the price point in this too. I set aside $2,000 so even if he does decided to swap the actual parts, it won't kill the budget.

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Also. Yes. He has an obsession with the M&P line. We have SEVERAL. To the point that when I picked out my own pistol I ended up with a M&P Shield 9mm.
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In this instance, yes I believe I used "build up" wrong. When I posted I didn't realize you could literally build an AR15 with pieces. Lol. He is definitely an attachments kind of guy. And to be perfectly honest I don't think he would go heavy into parts replacement even if I got him something he wouldn't have gotten himself.

I believe I'm going to go with the M&P15T with M-Lok. It has the esthetics he likes, and if I get the rail attachments he can start off with the items he already owns, and pick out new ones whenever he wants.

I'm actually really in love with the price point in this too. I set aside $2,000 so even if he does decided to swap the actual parts, it won't kill the budget.

Thank you everyone. Y'all have been incredibly helpful. I'm sure this is going to be his best Valentines ever.
That will be an excellent choice. With your budget he should have enough to get a few accessories and start down that never ending road.

I pick up the rifle and then give him the rest of the $2000 on a Amex gift card so he can then shop till he drops!

This is my go to AR15... I am more of a light clean look kind of guy.



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I pick up the rifle and then give him the rest of the $2000 on a Amex gift card so he can then shop till he drops!
That's the idea! I wouldn't dare take away the fun of shopping for parts from him. I remember how much fun he had just picking out Tritium sights for his M&P 9mm. Lol!
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Good choice, I bet he loves it. That's a great gift by the way, well done.
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I think some people are making this overly complicated for you. Buying an M&P 15 is an excellent place to start if the mods your husband wants to make are what you listed. I did pretty much the very same things to my M&P 15 Sport and except for the red dot I have less than $100 in parts. I have the M-Lok system on the front hand guard and I added a rail and a hand grip to that. Simple. And pretty cheap really.

I think you're right to stick with the S&W brand. Just jumping in to build your own weapon is going to require extensive input by your husband before any parts are bought. And then there's the warranty you get with Smith And Wesson stuff. I waited years to find the right rifle for me and this M&P 15 Sport was it. And I waited just so I could do the things you mention and do it with a name brand with a good reputation for the particular rifle.

So I would suggest finding the best price around for an M&P 15 Sport and then let your husband decide what parts to add. He won't be tossing that much IMO. Not for the mods you list. You should be able to find one of these rifles well under $600 these days. Here's an example for $500:

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[QUOTE=jagular;139400195]I'd recommend this one. Good luck.

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I have one of these and that would also be my recommendation. It has all the bells and whistles he would want. All he would need is good scope and mount and some rail guards to protect his hands from the picatinny rail.
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Okay. So another question. If I were to order online, what would be some good, reliable sites? So many online I don't know what ones to trust.
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There's a few... I'm sure there are many others. When I ordered my Sport many years ago, I went with who had it in stock. I don't even remember the name of the place...
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I have one of these and that would also be my recommendation. It has all the bells and whistles he would want. All he would need is good scope and mount and some rail guards to protect his hands from the picatinny rail.
This one does not need rail guards, as it does not have picatinny rails on it... new model, M-Lok system replaced the quad rail.
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AR's are like tinker-toys......... or Barbie's........ for men......... with almost unlimited options.........................


OK my suggestion; ...... not as sexy as giving the gun itself..... but a gun is not generally returnable ...... you loose big $$$s on a "used" sale or trade, or he gets a bunch of features he wants to change but will cost him extra $$s!



Make and print your own "Gift Certificate" for $XXX.xx towards an AR-15. (It can state it's limited to the purchase of an AR and/or accessories )

Redeemable by you..... not a specific store...... so he can spend $XXX.xx to get exactly what he wants...........from anywhere!!!!
Hey; you can throw in a dinner ......or he has to take you with him for the purchase....... or take you shooting with him afterwards!!!

I did a version of this with each of my boys for Christmas.

Each Boy's "Gift Certificate" had clip-able coupons.......

One had 5 coupons he could clip and redeem for $XX.xx each;"one at each home visit" (his mom like that idea)..... the idea was to give him a little extra cash for date nights spread over the next Semester at College

The younger got one with 5 coupons he could clip and redeem towards video games during the course of the year. (one coupon/game); each coupon is worth about half what a game will cost ....... so he will have skin in each game purchased.

You can have fun with the actual wording and layout......... my boys were happy and it's was/is a lot more fun than giving cash!

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Okay. So another question. If I were to order online, what would be some good, reliable sites? So many online I don't know what ones to trust.


I usually start at firearm conglomeration websites such as slickguns.com or grabagun.com. They'll list the firearm and a large chunk of online dealer prices. This will help you get the BEST price while also showing all the sale details such as shipping costs (if any). Most of the dealers will be reputable but you could always ask us here if you don't recognize the name. You could also go to your local gun shop and see if they can order it. When doing this ask for the "best cash price" and see what they come back at. That is if you're gonna pay cash. If your husband frequents a certain shop go there. I know I get "special" pricing by always using the same shop. Big box retailers like sportsmans warehouse, cabelas, etc. won't do this. Sticker price is the price.

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Right now for that particular gun, S&W M&P 15T M-LOK, since it is brand new the pricing will be pretty consistent. I personally think this is a good price from a good dealer. I have bought from them in the past and they are good to go. They also do not charge you extra for using a credit card like a lot of dealers do.

$943 + $7.99 shipping.

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Right now for that particular gun, S&W M&P 15T M-LOK, since it is brand new the pricing will be pretty consistent. I personally think this is a good price from a good dealer. I have bought from them in the past and they are good to go. They also do not charge you extra for using a credit card like a lot of dealers do.

$896 + $7.99 shipping.

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When you order just make sure you are getting the new M-LOK 15T not the older Quad rail 15T.
Not the right gun in the link... This is what WVSig meant to link...
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AR's are like tinker-toys......... or Barbie's........ for men......... with almost unlimited options.........................


OK my suggestion; ...... not as sexy as giving the gun itself..... but a gun is not generally returnable ...... you loose big $$$s on a "used" sale or trade, or he gets a bunch of features he wants to change but will cost him extra $$s!



Make and print your own "Gift Certificate" for $XXX.xx towards an AR-15. (It can state it's limited to the purchase of an AR and/or accessories )

Redeemable by you..... not a specific store...... so he can spend $XXX.xx to get exactly what he wants...........from anywhere!!!!
Hey; you can throw in a dinner ......or he has to take you with him for the purchase....... or take you shooting with him afterwards!!!
Not to hijack the thread but you have to be careful doing it this way. One issue with this approach with gun is that you are possibly putting yourself in the position of making a straw purchase. The ATF typically follows the flow of the $$$ when determining who the is the "actual purchaser" of a the firearm on the 4473.

You are the actual purchaser if you are buying it with your money with the intention of giving the gun to someone as a gift as long as that person is not "prohibited".

You however are not the "actual buyer" of the firearm if you fill out the 4473 and then someone else pays for the gun with their $$ or you pay for the gun with the $$ they give you. If money changes hands in front of the dealer they have every cause to reject the sale.

If you want to go this route I suggest letting the husband purchase the gun with cash in his possession before you enter the store or with his own credit card which the wife can later pay the bill on.
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Not the right gun in the link...
You are right it is the shorter M-LOK version. This is the correct one at $943.45

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That is a pretty good price! I went to my normal gun place. They said they didn't have one in stock but that they could order me one, and price match what I find online. And with that there's no transfer fee. They also have the Sport II on sale for $599... which I may get for myself since I don't ever modify my weapons. lol.
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That is a pretty good price! I went to my normal gun place. They said they didn't have one in stock but that they could order me one, and price match what I find online. And with that there's no transfer fee. They also have the Sport II on sale for $599... which I may get for myself since I don't ever modify my weapons. lol.
If they can order it and match the price I would go that route. Their price on the Sport II is about $75 to $100 to high unless it includes the tax. Grab a gun at $525 $7.99 shipping.

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Not to hijack the thread but you have to be careful doing it this way. One issue with this approach with gun is that you are possibly putting yourself in the position of making a straw purchase. The ATF typically follows the flow of the $$$ when determining who the is the "actual purchaser" of a the firearm on the 4473.

You are the actual purchaser if you are buying it with your money with the intention of giving the gun to someone as a gift as long as that person is not "prohibited".

You however are not the "actual buyer" of the firearm if you fill out the 4473 and then someone else pays for the gun with their $$ or you pay for the gun with the $$ they give you. If money changes hands in front of the dealer they have every cause to reject the sale.

If you want to go this route I suggest letting the husband purchase the gun with cash in his possession before you enter the store or with his own credit card which the wife can later pay the bill on.
WVaSig.......I was focused on helping KEwer ( the very thoughtful wife) assure her husband gets the "AR configured as he wants"; without just giving him an envelope of cash.

Always assumed the husband would shop for and buy the AR he wants ( LOL within the gift budget) and do the paperwork ( 4473/ in Pa we also have a state form ) as the buyer......

With KEwer reimbursing him later, putting the money in a joint account prior to the purchase, or giving him cash ...

Also keep in mind most LGS and big box store sell "Gift Certificates" which are given as gifts..... and later used by a 3rd party toward a firearm purchase.........

But your warning is appropriate and timely.


In my experience red flags go up when "the Guy" ..... shows up with his "Girlfriend".......says "buy that one!" ( Glock 17/19) and then has the lady friend start the paperwork. Seen numerous "Gift purchases" over the years with Wives , Husbands and Grandparents......especially where the couple are known...... as KEwer seems to be.

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Also keep in mind most LGS and big box store sell "Gift Certificates" which are given as gifts..... and later used by a 3rd party toward a firearm purchase.........

But your warning is appropriate and timely.


In my experience red flags go up when "the Guy" ..... shows up with his "Girlfriend".......says "buy that one!" ( Glock 17/19) and then has the lady friend start the paperwork. Seen numerous "Gift purchases" over the years with Wives , Husbands and Grandparents......
Gift Cards work because the money was given to the retailer and the possession of the card denotes ownership according to the ATF so when you give the gift card the $$$ is theirs. Same as giving cash for the present which is then used to purchase a gun.

I agree that the scenario you stated above is the "typical" example but a wife "paying" for a AR15 at the register after the husband has picked it out and filled out the 4473 + other forms is no less illegal and I have seen dealers at gun shows and stores refuse a sale because of this exact scenario. I am just trying to help avoid an issue or the OP.

Back on topic. Wives who buy husbands guns are awesome!
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Thank you! I try to be awesome.

I will be purchasing it without him, but it will be noted that it is being purchased as a gift.

My very first pistol was a Valentine's Day gift from him three years ago (Sccy CPX-1). I thought it would be nice to return the favor. Especially since he's wanted an AR15 for so gosh darn long.
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Boy after seeing a pic, I love that new M&P15T! Great rifle for the money.
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Now that you have settled on the rifle and found that your local store can order it for you, ask them how best to do the transaction so the ATF is happy. My thought would be that you give them maybe $200 to order it and hold it. And have the order done in his name. Give your husband a home made gift card w/ the cash inside and a downloaded pic of the rifle, and then both of you go to the store. Then he can fill out the forms and pay the balance. I know he bought you a pistol, and it will probably never be a problem, but you know how too many people are about black rifles. Seems it would be best for it to be in his name.
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Now that you have settled on the rifle and found that your local store can order it for you, ask them how best to do the transaction so the ATF is happy. My thought would be that you give them maybe $200 to order it and hold it. And have the order done in his name. Give your husband a home made gift card w/ the cash inside and a downloaded pic of the rifle, and then both of you go to the store. Then he can fill out the forms and pay the balance. I know he bought you a pistol, and it will probably never be a problem, but you know how too many people are about black rifles. Seems it would be best for it to be in his name.
There is no federal registration, so from that standpoint, there is no such thing as "in his name".

She doesn't need to jump through any special hoops. She can legally purchase the rifle as a gift for her husband. The directions on the 4473 even state that if you are "buying as a gift" then you are the actual purchaser. The only thing I would recommend is that she go to the store by herself so that it does not appear to be a straw purchase of any type.
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Now that you have settled on the rifle and found that your local store can order it for you, ask them how best to do the transaction so the ATF is happy. My thought would be that you give them maybe $200 to order it and hold it. And have the order done in his name. Give your husband a home made gift card w/ the cash inside and a downloaded pic of the rifle, and then both of you go to the store. Then he can fill out the forms and pay the balance. I know he bought you a pistol, and it will probably never be a problem, but you know how too many people are about black rifles. Seems it would be best for it to be in his name.
This would be a violation because he would be filling out the 4773 but the rifle would be purchased with $200 of "her" money. The ATF follows the money trail.

She either has to buy the rifle with her money filling out the 4473 and then gift it to her husband. In this instance the gifter of the rifle is the actual purchaser as defined by the ATF. This would be the way I would do it.

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She can give him the money as a gift which he then uses to purchase the rifle. To be on the safe side the money should be gifted prior to going to the shop. In this case he will be supplying the $$$ and filling out the 4473.

The point I will stress is that the person supplying the money must be the one who is filling out the 4473.

This Christmas I was given a Glock 19 by my mother in law which she purchased and I then transferred into my possession. We live in different states so it had to go through and FFL.

My wife bought me a Beretta Pigeon I for my birthday and because we live in the same state she simply purchased it and gave it to me. No fuss no muss.
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One time me and my boss went to the gun store, I picked out a gun from the counter, said I'll take it, I filled out the form and my boss pulled out cash from his wallet (it was my x mas bonus) and I bought the gun with no problems. Another time at the same store I went to buy my mom a gun, I asked to see a gun and told the guy I was getting it for my mom, and he wouldn't let me get it. He claimed that was a straw purchase because I was gonna give it to someone else and I claimed it was a gift to my mother, but he wouldn't let me buy it. He told me that the person filling out the form has to be the one who asks to see the gun and say I'll take it, but anybody could pull out the money and pay for it. Anyway, they lost my business as I won't be buying from there anymore.
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One time me and my boss went to the gun store, I picked out a gun from the counter, said I'll take it, I filled out the form and my boss pulled out cash from his wallet (it was my x mas bonus) and I bought the gun with no problems. Another time at the same store I went to buy my mom a gun, I asked to see a gun and told the guy I was getting it for my mom, and he wouldn't let me get it. He claimed that was a straw purchase because I was gonna give it to someone else and I claimed it was a gift to my mother, but he wouldn't let me buy it. He told me that the person filling out the form has to be the one who asks to see the gun and say I'll take it, but anybody could pull out the money and pay for it. Anyway, they lost my business as I won't be buying from there anymore.
The clerks in both of your scenarios were poorly trained.

In the first scenario, where you picked out the gun, filled out the form, and then your boss pulled the money from his wallet should have been treated as a classic straw purchase and the transaction stopped.

In the second scenario, if your mother was not there at the store, he should not have stopped the transaction simply because you stated you were giving it as a gift. That is allowed. If your mother was there and picked out the gun and then you went to do the paperwork and pay, that could be construed as a straw purchase. This is why I recommend that she goes to the store to make the purchase without her husband... I also recommend keeping the conversation with the clerk to "I would like to purchase x" as there is no requirement for you to declare it is a gift to the clerk, and it just keeps it simple.
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The clerks in both of your scenarios were poorly trained.

In the first scenario, where you picked out the gun, filled out the form, and then your boss pulled the money from his wallet should have been treated as a classic straw purchase and the transaction stopped.

In the second scenario, if your mother was not there at the store, he should not have stopped the transaction simply because you stated you were giving it as a gift. That is allowed. If your mother was there and picked out the gun and then you went to do the paperwork and pay, that could be construed as a straw purchase. This is why I recommend that she goes to the store to make the purchase without her husband... I also recommend keeping the conversation with the clerk to "I would like to purchase x" as there is no requirement for you to declare it is a gift to the clerk, and it just keeps it simple.
Yeah as for the lady in this thread, she should go to the store alone and say I want to buy gun xxx and not say anything else and give it to him when she gets home.
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