Hey guys,

Did some searching but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. I want to purchase a 2 point sling, but I don't want to modify the rifle in any way ( I see a lot of the good slings require mods to the rails and buttstock to accomadate QDs and such)

I am simply looking for a sling that will use the existing attachments on the rifle, BUT, I wanted something that I could detach with ease. (Not looking for ones that I have to thread through the existing loops)

I see the Magpul MS3 has what appears to be metal clips on each end. Could I simply use those clips to attach directly to the existing loops on the rifle? Any input on whether this setup would work, or not work, would be greatly appreciated. Any insight for this AR noob?

Simple, effective, and inexpensive two point sling...

CJ Weapons M1 Garand Web Sling Cotton Olive Drab

I was actually looking at that earlier, but it appears one side has to be threaded through. I wonder if there is a sling out there that could simply "clip on" both ends of the stock rifle.

what about something like this?

GrovTec Snap Hook Heavy Duty Quick Detach Sling Swivel Adapter

You do have to thread it through the front sling, but no big deal. If you want to take it off, just mark the webbing with a sharpie where the keeper is, undo it, and take it off...

Or buy another clip... why are you against threading it through?

Isn't that nifty....

Or how about something like this? just run your regular sling through the large end, then clip it on the stock sling attachment on your riffle?

Magpul MS1 to MS3 Sling Adapter Nylon

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Call Mountain Stalker Slings and Tom will send you a Brochure. Look at His tactical sling, it sounds just like what You need. No connections needed. Tom @ 303-725-5209.

I guess I wanted something that I could just throw on if needed. I've never messed with slings before, and didn't know if threading it on and off was just a pain. I feel like with a simple clip it just comes right off

Something like this is what I had in mind actually. Except I wouldn't be opposed to buying a better quality one for more money.

Doing a little research at Magpul, the paraclips that the MS3 uses will work with the stock sling attachments. Don't know how tight you'll be able to adjust the MS3 though.

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Ok, so now we get to the meat of the question... why do you want a sling? Do you want something that just allows you to carry the rifle over your shoulder? Or are you wanting to learn to shoot using a sling to stabilize the rifle? Or, do you want to be able to transition from a rifle to a handgun without putting the rifle down?

Lots of different slings for different uses.

Thats good to know, because I actually wanted that sling initially, but wasn't sure if it would work with my set up. It seemed that every picture I could find of a sport II that had it was using modified connectors of some sort. I think I'll check out Cabela's return policy, and buy it and see if it works. Then return it if it doesn't.

I wanted one mostly for carrying over my shoulder, but also something that I could transition from rifle to hand gun.

I have this sling on all of my semi-automatic rifles:

CDNN SPORTS - AR15 SLING GI SILENT WEBB

It takes just a couple of seconds to adjust or remove it. But if you want truly secure clip on attachment, just add one of these to either end:

CDNN SPORTS - HK FACTORY TACTICAL 3PC SLING HARDWARE NEW

The sling plus one of the HK clips for each end comes to $10.50 plus shipping.

Blue Force Gear has forged aluminum loops. Excellent quality, tough build but not cheap. About $12 a loop and the new design is more

Run the loop through whatever you want and attach the sling to the other end

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I like the Magpul slings. They tend to be a little more pricey but adjust easily and hold tight. My personal preference is the MS4 but I think all the slings they make adjust the same, the end pieces are different from model to model.

I made my own sling with 2 heavy duty key rings, 2 d ring carabiners, and 50 feet of black 550 paracord. The last hurricane that came through Florida knocked my power out for two days and i got bored, so i made it to kill some time. It only took about 30 minutes and it's actually pretty neat looking and multi functional. If you're interested, I'll post some pictures this evening when i get home from work.

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I sometimes use a sling as a shooting aid but any time I am hunting etc. I keep my rifle in my hands so that I am ready in case of an opportunity for a shot that if it were on my shoulder I would miss. Would probably never transition from a rifle to a pistol for any reason except complete failure of th rifle. Don't remember where I got it but have always remembered the "a hand gun is for fighting your way to your rifle". In RVN the only slings were on M60's and a lot of guys didn't even use them on those.

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I use a sling as a shooting aid when hunting. I also agree with you on the transition to pistol thing but there are competitions and games where this is done, so that is why I asked the OP. I don't use any of the newer tactical type slings, so no help there...

I do have one question though... Using the standard sling swivels on the Sport, won't the rifle want to hang upside down if slung across body with a two point sling? Wouldn't you have to run the sling through the slot on the stock to get the rifle to hang in an upright position?

In a word, yes. I have an MS2 on mine (discontinued but you can pick up 3rd party clones on Amazon) but the MS3 should work just fine with the standard sling loops.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/attachm...1&d=1483905178

Welcome to the world of Gear bud:

- No one piece of gear is universal. When you find the perfect sling, perfect holster, perfect belt, perfect H-gear, perfect vest, pouch...knife, gun..etc... that works great in all situations, let me know and provide a link.

- Only want to use the traditional sling mounts? Well, they were devised with the strong side sling arms position in mind and didn't take into consideration transitions to pistol because the technique was not widely used and peeps didn't get issued a rifle/pistol combo.

- Don't want the weapon to "flop" when transitioning? Or not rub your neck raw? Well, you might need to buy the quick mount rail adapter or relocate the connection point.

- 2 point vs. single point slings even have pros/cons from the pros.

*My only input is to not get too fancy with the sling. in my opinion Viking Tactics Sling (Original) is just about perfect for a 2 point.

*I would not consider myself ill-equipped with an old school leather or cotton web G.I. type either.

This is exactly the type of set up I was looking for. I think I'll just go ahead a grab a MS3 from Cabelas, and return it if it doesn't work well. How do you like that setup with the MS2? Does it move around a lot when walking, or can you have it tight up against your body? Love your AR setup btw. Nice clean classic look.

I guess I'll have to purchase what a I was initially intending and get a feel for it. When buying the Sport II, I really made up my mind that I wanted to try and keep it as stock as possible.

Yeah the MS3 will be much better quality than a clone, I was glad I picked up a couple of MS2's before they discontinued them.

Sling works great, I much prefer 2-point to single point for exactly the reason you mention, you can pull it up super tight against your body and have very little uncontrolled movement when you walk. The downside of the 2-point vs the 1-point sling is you have to loosen it or take an arm out to be able to shoulder the rifle, so slightly slower than a 1-point, but for me it's well worth it for the secure feeling fit and not getting banged in the legs by the muzzle when you walk. Also the quick adjust system on the MS2/3 largely mitigates this disadvantage, you just pull the loop straight down and the sling adjusts out far enough to shoulder without needing to take an arm out.

Thanks for the compliment on the rifle, I tried to be thoughtful / minimalist on the changes I made, keep it classic looking and functional rather than tacti-cool. There's a thread on what I did here if you're interested:

The ultimate Sport II setup

Thats great to know. I definitely wanted something that felt secure. And I think the investment on a quality Magpul would be worth it (I think they're only like $40-$50 anyway)

I took a look at the thread, and that is something I am aiming for as well. Awesome rifle! I already purchased a mint condition carry handle on ebay. Maybe I'll do a couple of other things to enhance the performance (i.e better trigger) down the line but thats really the extent of what I want to do with it. Thanks for the advice and insight!

Here is some more food for thought (don't splode' your brain), and these are my opinion only:

1.Chest rigs/body armor with lots of pouches: If your thinking about utilizing chest rigs or body armor, a single point sling works better than a dual point sling. It hangs better and "finds" its own hang spot in between all those pouches full of stuff we probably aint' gonna use. It also doesn't hang and bang (as much).

2. H-gear/battle belts: A dual point sling works better, can be cinched closer to the body, hangs better. All this due to the slimmer profile of your upper body/chest area.

3. We could also start a whole thread on Chest rigs vs H-harness types, but again just the point that gear vs. situations will never be universal, something will always be better in a specific scenario.

*Me personally? Why settle, so I have 2 rigs.

I think you'll find carrying over your shoulder isn't very comfortable and it can easily be pulled off or slide off your shoulder when moving and you have little control over your rifle .. carrying it cross body is more comfortable and access and control is greatly increased ..

Watch some video on slings and you'll see very few examples if any of shoulder carry .. the reason is most don't use it that way ..

I think that was I was trying to imply. Just something that stays close to body, but can easily be shouldered with a minor adjustment. All arrows right now are pointing to that Magpul MS3.

I think you will find you will need to add attachment points of some kind whether to use with the Magpul sling with a clip or the QD attachment .. the reason you will want to carry it in different ways only added attachment points will enable you to do that !!

I'm guessing you have one attachment ring on the guns butt .. using it .. it will swing in ways you won't want to carry with any movement by you !!

There's one on the stock and one under the FSB next to the bayonet lug, no mods required for a two point sling. Check the photo in my reply further up.