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Old 03-23-2017, 01:51 AM
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Just wondering, how long did it take you to get used to the recoil spring sound in the adjustable butt stock? I don't remember hearing any spring noise from the M16A1, which of course had a non-adjustable stock. It's not bad, it just surprised me I guess. First time firing an AR since the service, which has been a long time. It's a M&P15 ll. Nice rifle all in all.
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It is frequently from a spring with a rough surface dragging in the tube as it compresses and expands. There are some springs in the $20 range with a ground surface, and a dry surface coating them.

Also, try some grease of your choosing. Mine currently just has white lithium grease. PTFE loaded grease might be even better.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:39 AM
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It may not be the spring itself making the noise you hear. Remove the spring and buffer and shake the buffer to see if it rattles. The buffers are filled with different types of materials that act as a inertia buffer. Cheaper ones have balls inside that will rattle, more expensive ones have tungsten powder that is silent.
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I had the same problem. I found that when I rotated the selector switch to AUTO and fired I could no longer hear the offending buffer tube noise. Problem solved.

I dislike the sound of the buffer spring reciprocating/bolt slamming into battery as it's transmitted through the butt stock/buffer tube assembly when fired in semi auto - very annoying. Can't hear it when fired in full auto.

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Old 03-23-2017, 09:52 AM
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Damage Industries enhanced buffer spring. Best $6 you'll ever spend.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:46 PM
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I can remember hearing the spring from RVN 68.Since then I just assumed it was normal.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:19 PM
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I haven't heard an AR15 spring rattle in a couple of decades.

It's probably not a coincidence that I've had severe tinnitus about that long.
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JP - Buffer Springs and Silent Captured Springs

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Damage Industries enhanced buffer spring. Best $6 you'll ever spend.

this one, to be exact?
Enhanced Spring, Recoil Buffer, Action, Carbine

I too have noticed and been a bit put off by the noise of the stock spring..

to the point of ditching my hearing protection the other day, as the sound of the riffle going BOOM, was more pleasant to me, then that darn spring.. LOL
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Thats the one! I have the enhanced spring too , it only made a little difference. YMMV

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I brushed mine with the same wheel bearing grease I use on the bolt carrier. Quiet as can be, and it lasts a thousand rounds.
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When to replace a buffer spring. If it is not within the below dimensions, replace it.



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They all have sounded the same to me since 1969.
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This is what you're looking for, gets rid of the annoying sprong sound completely, and you get a bunch of other benefits on top of that.

Super 42 Braided Wire Buffer Spring and Buffer Combo
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This is what you're looking for, gets rid of the annoying sprong sound completely, and you get a bunch of other benefits on top of that.

Super 42 Braided Wire Buffer Spring and Buffer Combo
Call me cheap, but for $65.00, I can live with the sprong sound.
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I know you won't do it, at least right now, but JP Silent Captured Spring.
Eliminates the noise and makes the rifle run like butter. Literally makes the rifle feel like a whole different rifle.
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I know you won't do it, at least right now, but JP Silent Captured Spring.
Eliminates the noise and makes the rifle run like butter. Literally makes the rifle feel like a whole different rifle.
For over twice the cost of the previous parts to get rid of the sprong, it better make the rifle feel like a whole new gun and then some!
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Wow! Sure are some fancy springs! Think I will stick with lube and looking at the individual parts for rough spots. I will live with the noise.
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Wow! Sure are some fancy springs! Think I will stick with lube and looking at the individual parts for rough spots. I will live with the noise.
My thoughts exactly!!
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It's not a big deal, I was just not expecting it. I do believe it is due to the hearing protection. Did not think about that. I can live with it. Though I will check out other suggestions made here. Thanks all!
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Wow! Sure are some fancy springs! Think I will stick with lube and looking at the individual parts for rough spots. I will live with the noise.
Only my fancy spring only cost $6 and it does help. I agree though, I'm not paying $65 for a spring.
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...how long did it take you to get used to the recoil spring sound in the adjustable butt stock?
I never noticed the recoil spring making a sound. I guess I need to get my hearing checked - again.
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Put a piece of open foam rubber inside the spring. This will dampen the noise.
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Fibrous front wheel bearing grease eliminates sound and wear on buffer and tube.
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A chrome silicon spring quiets things down. I bought a couple from Damage Industries a couple years ago and am very satisfied. They're on sale for $6. LaRue sells the same thing for $25 in a fancy plastic tube.

Among others things.... From Despcrition -- "Significantly reduces the perceived "twang" noise which is common during firing." It does. Enhanced Spring, Recoil Buffer, Action, Carbine
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A chrome silicon spring quiets things down. I bought a couple from Damage Industries a couple years ago and am very satisfied. They're on sale for $6. LaRue sells the same thing for $25 in a fancy plastic tube.

Among others things.... From Despcrition -- "Significantly reduces the perceived "twang" noise which is common during firing." It does. Enhanced Spring, Recoil Buffer, Action, Carbine
Does one fit all ?? AR noob ..
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Does one fit all ?? AR noob ..
From the link I provided above.... Enhanced Spring, Recoil Buffer, Action, Carbine


NOTE: This item is for ADJUSTABLE length M4 style buttstocks.

Rifle-length recoil springs for full-sized fixed buttstocks are available HERE.


For AR-15 / M4 Carbine:

• Constructed from certified USA made chrome silicon spring wire

• Heat treated, stress relieved

• Provides consistent spring pressure for hundreds of thousands of cycles (estimated 750,000+)

• Greater resistance to heat & high stress cyclic rates

• Improves operation, long-lasting performance

• Consistent pressure reduces bolt bounce

• Significantly reduces the perceived "twang" noise which is common during firing

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I was surprised the first, and, maybe second, time I fired an AR. Then, when I was shooting NRA High Power Competitions, I found that the RRA NM gun I'd purchased had a buffer that wasn't properly secured with a roll pin. It was there, just not properly secured. After my best ever effort at the lower yardages, two X's and a 10 at 600yds, it locked up the rifle. What the buffer sounded like at that point, was as irrelevant as could be. RRA's lack of response to my calls, e-mails, and letters after the fact, was totally relevant. Lessons learned. I haven't even heard a "sprong" since. (And, that represents many thousands of rounds through various AR platform rifles since). That's just noise. Kinda like the strange sounds emanating from Glock pistols. What does the target say? THAT I'll listen to.
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A chrome silicon spring quiets things down. I bought a couple from Damage Industries a couple years ago and am very satisfied. They're on sale for $6. LaRue sells the same thing for $25 in a fancy plastic tube.

Among others things.... From Despcrition -- "Significantly reduces the perceived "twang" noise which is common during firing." It does. Enhanced Spring, Recoil Buffer, Action, Carbine
Thankyou....I was looking for some new springs also....I ordered 2 of them for that price for my AR....

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Thankyou....I was looking for some new springs also....I ordered 2 of them for that price for my AR....
Good choice. I have them in all my ARs, including my rifle length and they are very inexpensive.
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For over twice the cost of the previous parts to get rid of the sprong, it better make the rifle feel like a whole new gun and then some!
While we all know the AR has light recoil, my MOE MID is running comparable to my 10/22 (using "high velocity" rounds). Comparable meaning you will be able to find differences, but it's not much.
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Well,I havnt been here in a while...but I've been shooting with the new springs and they make a big difference and our much quietier then,I expected....it's a great up grade....
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My first experience with the M16 was during qualification at boot camp in 1976. I was slung up in prone, not sure of what to expect when I fired the rifle. When I squeezed off the first round, all I heard was a pronounced sproing...

I looked at the buttstock then back at the Gunners Mate who was coaching me. The GM must have recognized the look on my face. He just said, "Yep, thats what they sound like".
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