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Old 03-25-2017, 10:59 AM
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Any one use there optics? I'm looking at adding the 2.5x to my AR just wanted to see what people had to say about the brand and the 2.5 specifically.

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I've owned three PA red dots. I've mounted them to range use only firearms. They're good value for the dollar. I do not mount them to firearms I use for home and self defense. For the home and self defense firearms, I mount a Trijicon or Aimpoint.
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I've owned three PA red dots. I've mounted them to range use only firearms. They're good value for the dollar. I do not mount them to firearms I use for home and self defense. For the home and self defense firearms, I mount a Trijicon or Aimpoint.
This is puzzling to me, you will mount one to a range gun and shoot the snot out of your range gun, and it appears to hold up fine. But you wont put one on a home/personal defense gun that sits loaded and ready for use should SHTF at home. What, it's going bad from sitting on your weapon? It's apparently reliable and accurate enough to keep using at the range, but not reliable and accurate enough to shoot someone breaking into your home, or shooting someone meaning to do harm to you or your family?
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This is puzzling to me, you will mount one to a range gun and shoot the snot out of your range gun, and it appears to hold up fine. But you wont put one on a home/personal defense gun that sits loaded and ready for use should SHTF at home. What, it's going bad from sitting on your weapon? It's apparently reliable and accurate enough to keep using at the range, but not reliable and accurate enough to shoot someone breaking into your home, or shooting someone meaning to do harm to you or your family?


I have three optics with PA labels on them, two 1x red dots and a compact 4x. They have given great service.

But... I put optics in two categories, recreation and duty worthy. PA optics in the $200 and under price range aren't in my duty worthy category. The operator of PA, Marshall, says the same thing.

Chinese quality control optics (no matter what label is slapped on them) work great until they don't. These are the more pricey Holosun/Primary Arms red dots.

Holosun A fail
Holosun B fail
Holosun C fail

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I've probably got more Chinese made red dots than most others here. They are great for recreational use. Expectations beyond recreation, no thanks.

Reminds me of the guy who posted pics on the Net of his PA Advanced Micro image shift. Horrible. He sent it back and got another that he said wasn't so bad. Chinese quality control is like a box of chocolates....

Al that said, I really like the lower priced PA optics. Marshall and his folks are great to do business with and stand by their products. If someone wants to use them on a firearm designated for duty/self defense then go for it... probably won't have a problem if a life or death situation arises. I just prefer the odds with proven duty worthy optics.

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Good to know thanks for the input. This will be just for plinking. I think ARs for home defense is not a good idea and I also don't see a point in owning two different optics for a rifle.

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Nothing wrong with modern Taurus firearms. I have a PT111 G2 and PT140 G2 with easily 2000 rounds through them combined and I've had zero reliability issues. I'd trust my PT140 G2 with my life more than a PA optic (even though I do like the PA optics).
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Taurus does not make an AR platform anything that I'm aware of. Discussion should be in the Other Firearms section.


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What does Taurus have anything to do with. All I was talking about was Primary Arms optics.

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Think Phil was referencing arnoob's post in response to your signature
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This is puzzling to me, you will mount one to a range gun and shoot the snot out of your range gun, and it appears to hold up fine. But you wont put one on a home/personal defense gun that sits loaded and ready for use should SHTF at home. What, it's going bad from sitting on your weapon?
What's puzzling to me is that you think a true self-defense gun is rarely fired. Any device you use for protection should be used and practiced with A LOT! If ever there was something you need to be proficient with, it's that.

I agree wit Japes and Phil on this one. PA optics are decent. Their customer service is second to none. However, when it comes down to brass tacks, I want Trijicon or Aimpoint.

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What is more puzzling to me is how people can get into a stupid pissing contests over guns and their optics. And all it want to know is about Primary Arms optics.

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What is more puzzling to me is how people can get into a stupid pissing contests over guns and their optics. And all it want to know is about Primary Arms optics.

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I have the "PA Advanced Micro Dot with Push Buttons and Up to
50K-Hour Battery Life" on my S&W M&P 15-22 Sport. For the price
it's very high quality and easy to use. Is it a military grade optic?
No. Frankly I don't see a civilian need for something needed for extreme combat situations. I don't consider an AR as a SD firearm. My personal experience was situations taking 2 seconds or less and within a few feet.
Front sight only for such.
I highly recommend the Primary Arms optics. Great value for good quality and outstanding customer service.
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I have the "PA Advanced Micro Dot with Push Buttons and Up to
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it's very high quality and easy to use. Is it a military grade optic?
No. Frankly I don't see a civilian need for something needed for extreme combat situations. I don't consider an AR as a SD firearm. My personal experience was situations taking 2 seconds or less and within a few feet.
Front sight only for such.
I highly recommend the Primary Arms optics. Great value for good quality and outstanding customer service.
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I notice that you have a shield next to your name... do you have a PA optic on your duty weapon?
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What is more puzzling to me is how people can get into a stupid pissing contests over guns and their optics. And all it want to know is about Primary Arms optics.

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I don't see a "pissing contest". I see a trend of people responding that if you want an optic for recreational use, i.e. target shooting, hunting, etc., Primary Arms is a good buy. However, if you want an optic for home defense or duty use, then you might want to look elsewhere.
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What is more puzzling to me is how people can get into a stupid pissing contests over guns and their optics. And all it want to know is about Primary Arms optics.
I'm confused by this statement. Isn't the reliability of the optic important to you? I was stating my experience with Primary Arms optics and how they relate to the way I use them.
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I have a PA 2.5x optic on my AR pistol and love it. Great reticle, nice glass and reliable. That being said, I have Trijicons on my true SD/battle rifles.
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I notice that you have a shield next to your name... do you have a PA optic on your duty weapon?
No duty weapon now days. Retired detective. Detectives aren't apt to be carrying a rifle ___it'd get in the way..... By the time I already had a pair of handcuffs, a pistol, extra ammo, a small
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No, not LE. Was just curious if you used one on duty. I have several LE friends who carry patrol rifles in their squad, and a couple of SWAT officer friends... All of them have the same opinion... "I need it to work when I need it", so they have more trust in brands like Aimpoint.
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From out of left field what is the skinny on using a PA on a shotgun? I just bought a Kel-Tec KSG and I need a sight for it. IMO a bead sight is generally good enough for a shotgun. I've had good luck with them all my life but AFAIK you can't mount one on a KSG.

I know this isn't a shotgun forum but I'm concerned about the PA, not the shotgun. If that isn't OK just say so and I'll move the question.
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It works fine on a shotgun.

I put mine on a Mossberg SPX. I used it for a little while without issue. I didn't like that it reduced the field of view a little and went back to using the ghost ring and post sights that the gun came with.

Because of my experience with the optic, a friend put one on his Mossberg 500. He's fired over 1,000 rounds and likes it a lot.

So, yeah, you can use it on a shotgun.
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No, not LE. Was just curious if you used one on duty. I have several LE friends who carry patrol rifles in their squad, and a couple of SWAT officer friends... All of them have the same opinion... "I need it to work when I need it", so they have more trust in brands like Aimpoint.
With those circumstances I'd go Aimpoint too. This said the department would (should) furnish the Aimpoint. For most general uses on rifles for range play or even hunting with my coins out of pocket I'd go with the Primary Arms. The quality exceeds the price point.
Thanks for the comment. Good one.
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As long as there are reports like this on this cheap, import, low priced FIELDSPORT red dot, that can hold up to this abuse, it's all I need.
All of you that pay big $$$ for your fancy smancy red dots, more power to you!
As long as you don't run me into the ground on my cheap Piece Of Feces red dot, I will return the favor.

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Yes, the $20 optics are fine for fun at the range. However, in the video you posted, we can see that it's not waterproof like the MFR said. Water in electronics will eventually ruin them.

Also, the biggest difference is battery life. The Trijicon, Aimpoint and PA all have a 50K battery life. If the gun will be used for self-defense, you don't want to have to turn the optic on, it needs to be on already. With a 50K battery life, it can just be left on all the time. You can't do that with the $20 red dot.
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Yes, the $20 optics are fine for fun at the range. However, in the video you posted, we can see that it's not waterproof like the MFR said. Water in electronics will eventually ruin them.

Also, the biggest difference is battery life. The Trijicon, Aimpoint and PA all have a 50K battery life. If the gun will be used for self-defense, you don't want to have to turn the optic on, it needs to be on already. With a 50K battery life, it can just be left on all the time. You can't do that with the $20 red dot.
I figured that point would come up. My AR's are NOT for self-defense. I have a Mossberg Maverick 88 12 ga. on one side of my bed, and a Taurus .357 on the other side, for self-defense.
My AR's are for fun. Oh, and they are safe queens at that. I'm sure that will ruffle a few feathers.
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As long as there are reports like this on this cheap, import, low priced FIELDSPORT red dot, that can hold up to this abuse, it's all I need.
All of you that pay big $$$ for your fancy smancy red dots, more power to you!
As long as you don't run me into the ground on my cheap Piece Of Feces red dot, I will return the favor.

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That is the "RED & GREEN" dot, not the "RED" dot only.

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Well, if you're never going to shoot them, even $20 on optics is too much.
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Next question. Where can I find a good deal on a PA red dot?
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This is the only one I'd recommend: Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot with Push Buttons and up to 50K-Hour Battery Life MD-ADS

I don't think you'll find a lower price.
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Why is that the only one you would recommend Rastoff? I've seen people talk about the older version for years now on this board. Now all of a sudden it's not good enough? Why? Battery life isn't everything.
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If you compare the two, the tie breaker is battery life. I've bought my share of cheaper red dots. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to get to the range only to find the battery has died. So, yeah, battery life isn't everything, but it is way at the top of the list.

If each optic provides the same clarity, durability and ease of use, but one has a longer battery life, get the one with the longer battery life. In fact, if PA didn't offer one with a 50K hour battery life, I wouldn't recommend one at all.
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if PA didn't offer one with a 50K hour battery life, I wouldn't recommend one at all.
Many others do list the lower priced PA as a viable option. I couldn't count the number of posts I've seen suggesting that a PA is a better bargain than a Vortex or any number of other red dots short of the Aimpoint type quality sights. To each his own I guess. Personally I can carry a lot of extra batteries and install them when needed for the price difference of $80 or so.
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I've probably got more Chinese made red dots than most others here. They are great for recreational use. Expectations beyond recreation, no thanks.
I read the article you linked to because I am interested in buying a PA sight. I have a couple of problems with the article. Aside from the obvious issues with badly installed sights (no lock-tite) and not checking his equipment before a competition (who doesn't check their stuff when they want to win?) I did see a couple of real issues namely the complete failure of one sight and the failure of another to turn on when jostled as it is designed to do. My other problems are that the sample size is very small and the second is that he seems to want to compare these sights to equipment costing far more. How could anyone expect the same level of quality when one sight costs 5 times as much as the other or more? I also noticed some anti-Chinese bias in the article. Obviously you can buy a lot of junk from China. I've seen lots of American junk too (think Ford Maverick). It's not set in stone that Chinese stuff will be worse. I have some quality firearms that were made in China and one of them is an SKS which he singled out for abuse for what reason I don't know. I've put many thousands of rounds through my SKS with less than 2 dozen failures which were all either ammo related or caused by modifications I made to the rifle (once I removed the modified parts the rifle went back to working perfectly). That's a record hard to achieve by any company. I have some firearms with fantastic reputations that have not done as well (a Sig P220 for example - although it has been great 99% of the time it did have a spring wear out around 15,000 rounds and it had issues - my SKS has more rounds through it and has not had similar issues).

I'm not about to say the SKS is the be all and end all of firearms but most of them are very dependable. Accuracy isn't the best but they aren't really bad either. I upgraded to an AR for obvious reasons but I have to say that I modified my SKS to take detachable mags the first day I bought it i 1992 and they have never once caused a problem. But they are slow to change out.

My point (I knew there was one in this rambling mess somewhere) is that "inexpensive" doesn't always mean bad and neither does "Chinese". I just wish the article dealt more with actual issues than generalizations.

While I think it would be foolish to depend solely on a PA sight for SD I am not so down on using a PA with iron sights for backups. Those rarely fail.

I think of a Mercedes vs. a VW. The Mercedes has a much better reputation for durability but the VW was actually almost legendary for lasting many thousands of miles and at a small fraction of the cost of a Benz. Mainly I'm just not impressed with the idea that you must spend more money to get quality (that isn't always true) or the idea that Chinese equals bad quality. My SKS isn't my only Chinese firearm that works very well.

I'd love to see a study with significant numbers of samples from both the PA sights and the major brands that cost far more. I know from what I've read that the PA's won't be equal to an aimpoint or whatever but exactly how bad they are would be good to know. Some of us just plain can't afford a $500 sight for every rifle or shotgun. I have been lucky enough to own a few high dollar scopes but I have health issues that drain my finances.

I do appreciate the effort people here put into helping people out with good advice. I have learned enough to know trusting your life to a PA is a bad idea. But the question I have is the PA a bad idea for the price that it brings. I have quality sights I can depend on for most of my HD type weapons. I just can't afford a high dollar sight right now and I have a gun that has no sight. I'm wondering do I sell the gun or buy an inferior sight to make do until the time comes I can buy a better sight as long as I'm not counting on that sight for SD purposes.
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I have learned enough to know trusting your life to a PA is a bad idea. But the question I have is the PA a bad idea for the price that it brings.

I'm wondering do I sell the gun or buy an inferior sight to make do until the time comes I can buy a better sight as long as I'm not counting on that sight for SD purposes.

For range use or other non-critical uses, I think the PAs are great. I particularly like the sub $100 PA micro. I've had two for several years. For the price... I don't care for the $200 red dots of any label. Reason is simply because I don't consider any of them duty worthy nor of any greater value for my recreational range uses.

That said, I did not purchase the PAs with the intent of replacing them. They were purchased for a purpose that they well serve. Some have said that they decided on the $200 Vortex with trading up in mind. Reason being, that the Vortex lifetime warranty helps retain resale value and makes them easier to sell.
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I don't so much intend to replace them as much as just moving it to another rifle at some point. The shotgun I just bought has not sight of any kind on it. I'd like to get a SD type sight for it soon but I just bought the shotgun and a new computer so I'll have to wait a bit maybe. I need something. But for true CQB for which the shotgun is intended point shooting should suffice if the sight should fail at least for now. I can do that fairly well. I don't know that everyone can - trust me there's plenty I can't do so I'm not talking myself up here. That's just one of the gifts God has given me. I'd trade it for some others I can think of.

What you're saying is why I questioned the value of going with the more expensive version of the PA sight. Battery life isn't all that important for shooting practice which is what I need to do with the gun for now if I expect to use it for SD later.
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I don't have any personal experience with the PA micros on shotguns. If you have any concerns about the optic or hardware holding up to the recoil I'd call the guys at Primary Arms and talk to them. My experience is that they're first class no BS folks to deal with.
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I have learned enough to know trusting your life to a PA is a bad idea.
I don't know that it's a bad idea, it's just that some believe it's a bad idea.....big difference.

Has anyone had a PA fail them in a time of life or death? Probably not. Do people believe they may fail you in a life or death situation? Absolutely.
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I don't know that it's a bad idea, it's just that some believe it's a bad idea.....big difference.

Has anyone had a PA fail them in a time of life or death? Probably not. Do people believe they may fail you in a life or death situation? Absolutely.
Forum members have seen PA optics have issues from being DOA to dying under normal range use, and even dying when put to extremes... PA always stands behind their product and replaces them when this happens. Just depends on what your tolerance for risk is.
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Will PA replace it if you accidently drop it, and it won't zero again?

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As far as I know, they will...
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I would assume that the opinions stated here are based on experience. If I thought I was hearing only elitist fluff I'd be somewhere else asking questions. I happen to think that a lower priced but good quality sight can be part of a SD scheme. I just think there needs to be a backup in case of failure. For example with a shotgun I learned from the start to point shoot. If you don't have some of that in you then shooting clays is going to be difficult. You can use your bead but you need to get the gun close enough to use it and that takes point shooting type skill. In a CQB situation, where the shotgun I just bought would be used, I feel point shooting could be very effective. Just getting into position to use a red dot sight could lead to disaster IMO. My reason for wanting a red dot has more to do with shooting slugs at longer ranges and that really isn't super important for a SD weapon designed for close quarters. But it could give a person the edge in a rare situation. The odds of that type of scenario occurring at the same time the sight fails seem pretty small to me. On a rifle I would certainly want to be more secure in the durability of my sight. And again on my AR I have the irons for a backup should the red dot fail.

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This is the only one I'd recommend: Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot with Push Buttons and up to 50K-Hour Battery Life MD-ADS

I don't think you'll find a lower price.
That is a good price. I paid that at Optics Planet but got free shipping. I think buying directly from PA is okay too. I've been impressed with their reputation for quality and customer service.
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I would assume that the opinions stated here are based on experience. If I thought I was hearing only elitist fluff I'd be somewhere else asking questions. I happen to think that a lower priced but good quality sight can be part of a SD scheme. I just think there needs to be a backup in case of failure. For example with a shotgun I learned from the start to point shoot. If you don't have some of that in you then shooting clays is going to be difficult. You can use your bead but you need to get the gun close enough to use it and that takes point shooting type skill. In a CQB situation, where the shotgun I just bought would be used, I feel point shooting could be very effective. Just getting into position to use a red dot sight could lead to disaster IMO. My reason for wanting a red dot has more to do with shooting slugs at longer ranges and that really isn't super important for a SD weapon designed for close quarters. But it could give a person the edge in a rare situation. The odds of that type of scenario occurring at the same time the sight fails seem pretty small to me. On a rifle I would certainly want to be more secure in the durability of my sight. And again on my AR I have the irons for a backup should the red dot fail.

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Some PA optics do have backup when it comes to battery life. My PA 2.5x has a reticle that can be either illuminated or non illuminated.
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The people at PA assured me both models of their red dot sight will stand up to the Kel-Tec. So I sprung for the Advanced model. It surprised me too but the idea of leaving it on for 5 years just seemed too good to pass up.
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Battery life isn't all that important for shooting practice which is what I need to do with the gun for now if I expect to use it for SD later.
On its face this statement is absolutely true. However, there is an aspect of battery life that sometimes gets missed; fun.

Going to the range and shooting is fun for me. I like all kinds of guns and I like shooting. If my sighting system fails, I'm not having fun. This is just another reason I like the long battery life. I know when I go to the range, it will work. I've had a few low dollar, short battery life, optics die on me. Most of them were when I showed up at the range and discovered the red dot wouldn't turn on. This is right up there with leaving the ammo at home.

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When mine failed they replaced it without question. The problem I had was the windage would no longer adjust. It was out of warranty. The "why" of the failure didn't even come up. They just took it in and fixed it or replaced it. Either way I have a working unit now and it only cost me the price of shipping it to them. Can't complain about that.
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On its face this statement is absolutely true. However, there is an aspect of battery life that sometimes gets missed; fun.
Did you see that I ordered the advanced model? The reason I went with that one is that it lessens the likelihood that my primary sight won't fail when I need it to work. I still have my backup plan which is basic point shooting or just lining up the top of the PA with the target like I was using a bead sight. I won't have the long distance accuracy I would have had with the red dot but that really isn't the primary function of a gun like the KSG.

So even though I know it's a bad idea to completely count on a sight that isn't as well made as an Eotech or an Aimpoint I do have a backup plan for that remote possibility the sight will fail at just the wrong time. If I could afford more expensive sights I'd probably spend the money on more guns. That's just me. I like guns. I rarely have a problem hitting what I shoot at with or without a sight of any kind. I nailed the first clay I shot at when I was 7 years old (first time ever firing a gun of any kind) and I've shot small birds flying through the air with a .22. It's just something I can do. It's not a big deal. All of us have talents. I wish I could play a guitar better to be honest. I'd trade my point shooting for that any day. It isn't an uncommon thing really. A friend of mine was given a special position in the navy because he could point shoot. I believe he was the navy equivalent of a MP - I don't know what term they use - is it shore patrol or MP?

At any rate I suspect 99% of the use I would have for the KSG would be in confined spaces at short distances. The only reason for having a sight is to help if I did need to fire at longer distances.
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Did you see that I ordered the advanced model?
Yes, I did. I was really using your quote to speak to the whole battery life situation in general. Not pointed at you, but more for posterity. I should not have included your screen name. Sorry for giving the wrong impression.

I have a friend who has a KSG with this optic on it. His primary purpose for that gun is home defense. The gun performs nicely and this optic makes it easier to get on target.

I must say that while I promote Trijicon or Aimpoint over this, it's still a good optic. If this is what you have the coin for, I think it is the best that can be had without going for the Trijicon or Aimpoint. You will like this optic. I look forward to your review once you get it mounted and put a few rounds down range.
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There's no reason to apologize. I just didn't know if you had seen my post about buying the advanced model. I've read a lot of good things about PA sights. I have a Vortex on my AR and I believe this advanced PA would be a better choice because of the smaller dot and the battery life. But I like the Vortex also. I haven't had any issues with it with parallax or whatever. Plus they have the lifetime warranty. That makes them more popular of course.

BTW I do have some pretty expensive optics on some of my rifles. I have a couple of T-36's. That's pretty close to Aimpoint levels for price. I have plans to eventually get an Aimpoint or whichever quality sight for my AR. I'll just move the Vortex to another gun at some point. I've thought about putting a red dot on my 629.. That sounds like a good way of shooting that revolver. It has a long barrel and is great for shooting longer distances. A red dot would make it real handy for hunting. But it wouldn't fit in the holster I have so I've held off on adding a sight. But there are plenty of other guns in the safe that could use a good sight.

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Going to the range and shooting is fun for me. I like all kinds of guns and I like shooting. If my sighting system fails, I'm not having fun. This is just another reason I like the long battery life. I know when I go to the range, it will work. I've had a few low dollar, short battery life, optics die on me. Most of them were when I showed up at the range and discovered the red dot wouldn't turn on. This is right up there with leaving the ammo at home.
That's quite a dilemma.

Shuuuush... don't tell anyone but I'm about to share a technique that is rarely known outside the circles of advanced tacticalized shooters. Most of my red dots operate on a 2032 battery about the size of a quarter. They aren't too heavy nor take up much space in a range bag to carry a few extra for spares. I think the shelf life of the Energizer brand I use is about 5 years. By keeping spares on hand a dead battery can be swapped out right there at the range. Pretty cool idea, huh!
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I keep forgetting about this one. It's one of the Primary Arms / Holoson sights. I don't care about the outer circle or the holdover points, but I do like the chevron style reticle.

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