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Of all my luck, my MP SPORT II fell over and the wooden stair case hit the hand guard. After picking it up, I noticed something was rattaling inside. The barrel nut and gas tube was on solid, but noticed the barrel was very loose and wiggling while hitting the edges of the barrel nut.

This tells me the nut by the delta ring must be loose. I have never heard of any rifle barrel loosening up from it dropping under its own weight.

How do I tighten the barrel nut without losing my timing? Or does the gas block have to be removed in order to time the barrel?
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I'd send it straight back to S&W!

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Definitely need to figure out why it is loose. I have seen them take some really rough treatment,never seen a barrel come loose. Keep us posted with what you find out. Thanks,vonn
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Definitely need to figure out why it is loose. I have seen them take some really rough treatment,never seen a barrel come loose. Keep us posted with what you find out. Thanks,vonn
i am considering just sending it to my local gunsmith. They don't charge alot and if I send this in i won't see it for 3 weeks. I will never buy another MP Sport product again. This should have never happened.
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Hmm sounds really strange. Could you post a picture of the rifle showing us where it's loose or perhaps a video so we can help diagnose what's happened? I've dropped my Sport on concrete plenty of times and never had anything bar a few scratches happen to it.
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What do you mean that the "barrel was very loose and wiggling while hitting the edges of the barrel nut"? Loose turning right and left, or in and out? And why are you hitting the edges of the barrel nut? If the barrel nut is tight, as you say it is, there should be no movement of the barrel.

And what nut are you talking about by the delta ring? The barrel nut is the only nut in that assembly...

Why do I have a feeling that this is like his gas tube not being aligned, and the hand guard not fitting....

Just sell it.
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My guess is that all is well and what you think is barrel movement is the normal movement of the handguard, end cap and delta ring.
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I've dropped my Sport on concrete plenty of times and never had anything bar a few scratches happen to it.
I just gotta ask... what are ya doing that results in your rifle being dropped on the concrete plenty of times?
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I'm clumsy, must have knocked it over at least a dozen times in the shooting shed at the range, I get distracted and lean it against the bench while I'm doing something else like mixing some tanerite..then bonk, it's on the ground! :
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What do you mean that the "barrel was very loose and wiggling while hitting the edges of the barrel nut"? Loose turning right and left, or in and out? And why are you hitting the edges of the barrel nut? If the barrel nut is tight, as you say it is, there should be no movement of the barrel.

And what nut are you talking about by the delta ring? The barrel nut is the only nut in that assembly...

Why do I have a feeling that this is like his gas tube not being aligned, and the hand guard not fitting....

Just sell it.
I have not taken the handguard off so I can't say for sure what is loose. The barrel nut by the Front Sight Post is tight and there is no movement period. The only movement is when I place the rear butt stock firmly on my lap to imobilize it and then I use my hand, I can feel about 2mm to 3mm of play where the barrel is going side to side hitting the interior of the barrel nut. I can only assume the nut by the delta ring must be loose. I have shot this at the range before this and it shot fine I only noticed this after it fell over and the hand guard was the first thing to hit the wooden step.

I am contemplating on sending it to my Local Gun Store to have their gunsmith just charge me $40 to tighten barrel nut. If I send to Smith and Wesson, it will be 3 to 4 weeks before I do get it back. I am also not trusting of Smith's gunsmiths because this should have never left the factory in this condition.

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if you could take the handguards off and post a picture, we could be more help
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picture will not tell anything. Maybe a video would
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Two pics might do it. Take close-ups of where you're seeing the deflection - one maxed out in one direction and then maxed out the other direction. I would think closeups of both extremes would be able to highlight the movement you're seeing.

I agree - a video is a good idea.

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I have not taken the handguard off so I can't say for sure what is loose. The barrel nut by the Front Sight Post is tight and there is no movement period. The only movement is when I place the rear butt stock firmly on my lap to imobilize it and then I use my hand, I can feel about 2mm to 3mm of play where the barrel is going side to side hitting the interior of the barrel nut. I can only assume the nut by the delta ring must be loose. I have shot this at the range before this and it shot fine I only noticed this after it fell over and the hand guard was the first thing to hit the wooden step.

I am contemplating on sending it to my Local Gun Store to have their gunsmith just charge me $40 to tighten barrel nut. If I send to Smith and Wesson, it will be 3 to 4 weeks before I do get it back. I am also not trusting of Smith's gunsmiths because this should have never left the factory in this condition.
You really need to learn how to identify the parts of your rifle properly.

"The barrel nut by the Front Sight Post".... what is this? There is no barrel nut anywhere near the front sight post.

Are you sure the barrel is moving and not the whole upper receiver? If you immobilize the buttstock and grab the rifle by the barrel near the muzzle and move it side to side, you will get a little wiggle.
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You really need to learn how to identify the parts of your rifle properly.

"The barrel nut by the Front Sight Post".... what is this? There is no barrel nut anywhere near the front sight post.

Are you sure the barrel is moving and not the whole upper receiver? If you immobilize the buttstock and grab the rifle by the barrel near the muzzle and move it side to side, you will get a little wiggle.
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Separate the upper from the lower, hold the upper between your legs to immobilize it and try moving the barrel... bet you don't feel anything or hear anything...

You are just feeling the play between the upper and lower... it's only held together by two pins... there will be play.
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Still sounds like an optical delusion of normal movement of the handguard cap (aka front barrel nut thingie) delta ring and handguard. Or maybe normal lower/upper play like Cypher said while you're messing with it.

To feel/see any movement between the upper receiver and barrel would be remove the lower then secure the upper receiver and then grab ahold of the front sight and try to turn/wiggle. I'd be really really surprised. Edit- Cypher already beat me to it.

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Still sounds like an optical delusion of normal movement of the handguard cap (aka front barrel nut thingie) delta ring and handguard. Or maybe normal lower/upper play like Cypher said while you're messing with it.

To feel/see any movement between the upper receiver and barrel would be remove the lower then secure the upper receiver and then grab ahold of the front sight and try to turn/wiggle. I'd be really really surprised. Edit- Cypher already beat me to it.
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Separate the upper from the lower, hold the upper between your legs to immobilize it and try moving the barrel... bet you don't feel anything or hear anything...

You are just feeling the play between the upper and lower... it's only held together by two pins... there will be play.
I already removed the upper and I am sure the barrel is moving. You can see it go back and forth. My other AR15 does not do that and it is very tight and stiff.

I am thinking it is a more serious problem than just a loose barrel nut. If the barrel nut was loose, I am assuming the entire assembly would be moving as one unit but the only thing that is moving is the barrel and the Front sight post is also moving. However the "barrel cap" is stiff as a corpse like it should be. Maybe smith and wesson used shims to get it to tighten up. I am probably going to send it to Windham Weaponry because I know their gunsmith is very good. I suspect Smith and Wesson's gunsmiths will handle my rifle like a hot potato and will probably get it back with a bunch of dings. I only paid $500 for it so not a big deal.

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I suspect Smith and Wesson's gunsmiths will handle my rifle like a hot potato and will probably get it back with a bunch of dings.
Why do you suspect this? I've never heard any sort of report about S&W service like this.

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picture will not tell anything. Maybe a video would

Humor us.

And I'd like to see a pic of the "wooden stair case"
that reached out and hit the hand guard!
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I already removed the upper and I am sure the barrel is moving. You can see it go back and forth. My other AR15 does not do that and it is very tight and stiff.

I am thinking it is a more serious problem than just a loose barrel nut. If the barrel nut was loose, I am assuming the entire assembly would be moving as one unit but the only thing that is moving is the barrel and the Front sight post is also moving. However the "barrel cap" is stiff as a corpse like it should be. Maybe smith and wesson used shims to get it to tighten up. I am probably going to send it to Windham Weaponry because I know their gunsmith is very good. I suspect Smith and Wesson's gunsmiths will handle my rifle like a hot potato and will probably get it back with a bunch of dings. I only paid $500 for it so not a big deal.
Then please video this... I've got to see it! It could be something more than a loose barrel nut... it could be an out of spec receiver, or out of spec barrel with an undersized lug... but without seeing it, who knows. But just guessing, I would look at the barrel nut first. Horses before zebras....

But why on Earth would you send a S&W to Windham? I doubt that they would even accept it! Send it to S&W... that's why they offer the warranty.
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No I am not a troll and from this point on I will not be posting anything else. Why would I make up a story for what reason? I just found it unbelievable that Smith and Wesson could allow one of their rifles to leave the factory in this unsafe condition. I suspected that it falling over and the UTG Pro Hand Guard caused it to become loose but I have never heard of anybody having that issue. Others told me it was probably not torqued down at the factory and insisted it was impossible for the barrel to become loose from just falling over.

anyway I am still on the fence about sending it back to Smith and Wesson or a local gun smith. I again may send it to Windham as they offered to torque it down for no charge. I do have to pay shipping. once I get the rifle back I will notify what happened.

&Cyphertext, the reason I want to send it to Windham is because I know their gunsmith and he built a custom upper for me and it was done absolutely perfect. I do not know how Smith and Wesson's armory is but the reason I am hesitent to send it to them is because if they cannot do a simple task like properly torque the barrel so it does not move back and forth, not to mention the indexing of the gas tube is a hair off, I surely will have a hard time trusting they will handle my Sport II with care. I have seen people when attaching the upper to the lower just slap it together, putting a huge ding on the take down eyelet. yes it is a cheap rifle but I still like to take care of it.

ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE, THE HAND GUARD IS VERY TIGHT AND STIFF AND NOT LOOSE. THE BARREL CAP DOES NOT MOVE EITHER. THE ONLY THING THAT MOVES IS THE A2 FRONT POST AND THE BARREL ITSELF.
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I am thinking it is a more serious problem than just a loose barrel nut. .
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ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE, THE HAND GUARD IS VERY TIGHT AND STIFF AND NOT LOOSE. THE BARREL CAP DOES NOT MOVE EITHER. THE ONLY THING THAT MOVES IS THE A2 FRONT POST AND THE BARREL ITSELF.
The mods I got is a Velocity 3.0 Trigger(it is really 3.5 lbs), Magpul ACS stock, Magpul Grip, UTG Slim Pro, and a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x24.
I was thinking maybe the rifle just needed more mods--like "more cowbell", but the pic puts that to rest.

Who unscrewed the factory barrel mounting, to put on that free float tube for ya?
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Others told me it was probably not torqued down at the factory and insisted it was impossible for the barrel to become loose from just falling over.

anyway I am still on the fence about sending it back to Smith and Wesson or a local gun smith. I again may send it to Windham as they offered to torque it down for no charge. I do have to pay shipping. once I get the rifle back I will notify what happened.
Whoever looks at it I would like to hear what they found, I've never heard of this.

I spent 22yrs parachuting out of airplanes and helicopters and have never had one of my or any of my soldiers barrel come loose from hitting the ground.
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Whoever looks at it I would like to hear what they found, I've never heard of this.

I spent 22yrs parachuting out of airplanes and helicopters and have never had one of my or any of my soldiers barrel come loose from hitting the ground.
think it was in Granada where Rangers fast roping landed hard and the barrels got bent.
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I was thinking maybe the rifle just needed more mods--like "more cowbell", but the pic puts that to rest.

Who unscrewed the factory barrel mounting, to put on that free float tube for ya?
It's not a free float. It is a drop in 3 piece rail type. The only thing required was to remove the stock on and then pop these in with screws. No barrel removal required.

Yes I know it was maybe overkill to spend that much upgrading when I probably could have bought a Colt LE6940 but I wanted a beater AR15 so I could shoot the **** out of it and not worry. When you spend close to 2000 on an AR it tends to become a safe queen for obvious reasons.
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I concur with your assessment!
This is why I am reluctant to send it to my Local Gun Smith because lets say something is cracked like the receiver, then when I send it to Smith and Wesson it could void my warranty but how would they know unless I told them right?

I am thinking maybe they used shims and even though it is factory specs as far as torque, the shims have shifted and now you got that creek movement but maybe the receiver is cracked and why it is loose. I find it hard to believe it just falling over can cause the barrel to come loose, but then again it was not loose prior to that happening so I cannot rule that out.
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think it was in Granada where Rangers fast roping landed hard and the barrels got bent.

Bent Not Loose- Maybe windham will trade one of theirs for your sport??
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As far as having concerns with S&W QC etc..

I can not find ANY bad reviews/issues anywhere on the net..

Of course I have found some references to people not liking the twist, or something like that..

but a catastrophic issue such as a barrel flopping around, due to simply falling over on wooden stairs??

Never read, or heard about anything even close to that, anywhere

and considering the massive amount of S&W AR's out there, that is pretty wild man..

but.. even if it did in fact break in a bad way due to a simple fall like that..

i would not hold that against S&W to be honest with ya..
it really doesn't matter WHAT the level/quality of an item might be, there is always a lemon that comes off the line somehow or another..

lets use the Marshall JVM 410H amp for example. it literally is THEE top of the line, Flag ship amp, EVER made by Marshall!..

yet every now and then. on a message board dedicated to Marshalls, someone will pop up that had their brand new, fresh out of the box JVM, be DOA, or other major issues, VERY rare, but it does happen..

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I am thinking maybe they used shims and even though it is factory specs as far as torque, the shims have shifted and now you got that creek movement but maybe the receiver is cracked and why it is loose. I find it hard to believe it just falling over can cause the barrel to come loose, but then again it was not loose prior to that happening so I cannot rule that out.
No, there are no 'shims' in there, I *promise* you that.

BTW, the barrel nut could probably do 1/4 to 1/2 a turn, before you could ever sense any wiggle between barrel and upper receiver--it actually might really take a full turn or more, but I'm not about to pull anything apart to check for this thread.

Getting even 1/8th of a turn on the barrel nut would be impossible, btw, if your gas tube is intact...so the 'loose barrel nut' is not a viable explanation for your question.
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think it was in Granada where Rangers fast roping landed hard and the barrels got bent.
Shhhhh...

And those were A1s...the barrels bent from popping C-rat case wires, and bayonet assault courses.
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No, there are no 'shims' in there, I *promise* you that.

BTW, the barrel nut could probably do 1/4 to 1/2 a turn, before you could ever sense any wiggle between barrel and upper receiver--it actually might really take a full turn or more, but I'm not about to pull anything apart to check for this thread.

Getting even 1/8th of a turn on the barrel nut would be impossible, btw, if your gas tube is intact...so the 'loose barrel nut' is not a viable explanation for your question.
Only thing I can say about the loose barrel nut theory is that if that is truly the case, it has always been loose from day one...
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Separate the upper from the lower, hold the upper between your legs to immobilize it and try moving the barrel... bet you don't feel anything or hear anything...

You are just feeling the play between the upper and lower... it's only held together by two pins... there will be play.
My Sport I and AR-556 have no movement. I must have bought (2) of the best AR's made, because they DON'T move!
But, you're correct about some of them moving. Go rent an AR-15 at your local gun range and take note of how loose they are.
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Whoever looks at it I would like to hear what they found, I've never heard of this.

I spent 22yrs parachuting out of airplanes and helicopters and have never had one of my or any of my soldiers barrel come loose from hitting the ground.
Now, why would you want to jump out of a perfectly fine plane & helo?
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Now, why would you want to jump out of a perfectly fine plane & helo?
At the time it was for an extra $110 a month!
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It's not a free float. It is a drop in 3 piece rail type. The only thing required was to remove the stock on and then pop these in with screws. No barrel removal required.

Yes I know it was maybe overkill to spend that much upgrading when I probably could have bought a Colt LE6940 but I wanted a beater AR15 so I could shoot the **** out of it and not worry. When you spend close to 2000 on an AR it tends to become a safe queen for obvious reasons.
Then why are you worried S&W might ding it up a little? I would send it back. How old is it anyway?
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Then why are you worried S&W might ding it up a little? I would send it back. How old is it anyway?
Regardless of the amount of money I spent I still like to take care of my stuff. I bought the rifle 3 months ago brand new.

And the reason I feel S&W may not be so gentle with it is for the simple fact they are a huge company and probably have many on the work benches so they may not take the time to be gentle. I know Colt's are not known for making pretty rifles, most even out of the box have kiss marks and dings.
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As far as having concerns with S&W QC etc..

I can not find ANY bad reviews/issues anywhere on the net..

Of course I have found some references to people not liking the twist, or something like that..

but a catastrophic issue such as a barrel flopping around, due to simply falling over on wooden stairs??

Never read, or heard about anything even close to that, anywhere

and considering the massive amount of S&W AR's out there, that is pretty wild man..

but.. even if it did in fact break in a bad way due to a simple fall like that..

i would not hold that against S&W to be honest with ya..
it really doesn't matter WHAT the level/quality of an item might be, there is always a lemon that comes off the line somehow or another..

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I concur, I have not seen anybody say anything bad about the Sport 2 except the old ones did not have a dust cover, forward assist, and it was 4140 barrel but as far as quality no issues.

I am thinking it was just a fluke that mine was loose and I am sure once it is tightened up it will never get loose again. Before I send it in, I am going to remove my hand guard to be sure nothing is cracked. Maybe the barrel nut is tight but there may be a hairline crack somewhere maybe by the receiver that cannot be seen unless the hand guard is removed.
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Only thing I can say about the loose barrel nut theory is that if that is truly the case, it has always been loose from day one...
That is exactly what everybody has been telling me and they discounted theory that a simple fall over could cause that. But then again, with as much wiggle as it has, my groups should have been all over the place at 100 yards but since it was resting on a bench rest, the slack was already taken up, thus not affecting accuracy a whole lot. I could have easily missed this loose barrel because it's not often I try to move the barrel back and forth.
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OMG!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. AFTER REMOVING MY VORTEX STRIKE EAGLE, AND REMOVING THE UTG PRO DROP IN HAND GUARD(SHOWN IN PICTURE), THE BARREL WAS NOT WIGGLING AT ALL. IT WAS VERY TIGHT!

THE UTG PRO HANDGUARD WAS FITTING A BIT LOOSE IN SPITE OF ALL THE SCREWS BEING TIGHT. THAT GAVE THE GRAND ILLUSION THE BARREL WAS LOOSE AND RATTLING. IT WAS THE HAND GUARD ALL ALONG THAT WAS SWIMMING IN ITS SHOES. THE ODD THING IS, I HAVE THE SAME UTG ON MY WINDHAM SRC AND IT DOES NOT RATTLE OR HAVE ANY PLAY IN IT.

THEREFORE, I AM THINKING THE RIFLE FALLING OVER AND HITTING MY STEP COULD HAVE THROWN THE HAND GUARD'S TOLERANCES A LITTLE LOOSER WHICH DOES NOT SURPRISE ME BECAUSE THE UNIT ITSELF SEEMS RATHER DELICATE COMPARED TO OTHER BEEFIER HAND GUARDS.

MY NEXT QUESTION THEN IS, IF THERE IS A LOT OF PLAY IN THE HAND GUARD, CAN THAT AFFECT MY ACCURACY?

ANYWAY GOOD THING I DID NOT SEND THIS IN!
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Glad you discovered it was an optical delusion.

As far as accuracy... the two-piece non free float handguard is prone to influence accuracy because it's putting pressure on the barrel due to how it's supported with the handguard cap. That said, unless you're precision bench shooting or putting a lot of pressure on the barrel via a sling attached to the handguard you'll likely not notice any significant accuracy issues over a free float design.

Since you saved yourself some money in shipping charges back and forth to a gunsmith, maybe put that money toward a $20 Wheeler Engineering upper receiver vice block (I think they are now including a combo pack with barrel nut wrench for a few dollars more) and a punch set. If you already have a torque wrench you'll be set to deal with these things. If not, they also have a combo pack AR wrench and torque wrench for $40. Tons of choices for tools... but those are some decent budget options.

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Glad you discovered it was an optical delusion.

As far as accuracy... the non free float handguard is prone to influence accuracy because it's putting pressure on the barrel due to how it's supported with the handguard cap. That said, unless you're precision bench shooting or putting a lot of pressure on the barrel via a sling attached to the handguard you'll likely not notice any significant accuracy issues over a free float design.

Since you saved yourself some money in shipping charges back and fourth to a gunsmith, maybe put that money toward a $20 Wheeler Engineering upper receiver vice block (I think they are now including a combo pack with barrel nut wrench for a few dollars more) and a punch set. If you already have a torque wrench you'll be set to deal with these things. If not, they also have a combo pack AR wrench and torque wrench for $40. Tons of choices for tools... but those are some decent budget options.
I am going to get the Geissle, can't remember the name but it has splines so there is no pressure on the receiver. And yes it was clearly an illusion as the hand guard was the one that had play and not the barrel. So I guess the fall certainly didn't make the barrel come loose, but it did throw the hand guard out of whack. I am disapppointed in UTG"s I guess lack of quality and guess this is why the cheapo Magpul MOE hand guard is preferred over the fancier looking ones that look cool but don't hold up to drops and stuff
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If you don't like any movement in the handguard you wouldn't have liked the MOE. Since you've decided on a free float... none of this maters anyway. Gissele makes some real nice stuff.
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OMG!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. AFTER REMOVING MY VORTEX STRIKE EAGLE, AND REMOVING THE UTG PRO DROP IN HAND GUARD(SHOWN IN PICTURE), THE BARREL WAS NOT WIGGLING AT ALL. IT WAS VERY TIGHT!
No offense, and Im glad you figured out your issue, but what you found was pretty much what we've all been telling you from the beginning.

Now we have a long 50 post thread where there were many disparaging comments and assumptions made by you about S&W and the M&P Sport II which someone in the future will quote as the truth and use to say the rifles and/or S&W are no good.

It would have been nice if you had checked everything you've now checked (since the rifle was no longer stock) before the long back and forth about sending it it to Windham and a bunch of other nonsense.

But I'm glad you solved your problem.

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This is the third post of this type, where you blame S&W and then post an "OMG!!!" post where the problem was not the rifle and was something very simple.

You also contradict yourself in different posts... such as in this post you talk about how great the gunsmith at Windham is, yet in another post about your SRC having rust and you were afraid to send it in due to "a bad feeling they are going to do a crummy half hearted job".

With every thread like this, you lose credibility on this forum...
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