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New Sport-Buttstock recommendations
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I finally picked up my first AR. This weekend I got the Sport II and so far feel very happy with the purchase I made. I'm not planning to go crazy with upgrades (we'll see how long that lasts), but already I am thinking about a new buttstock. I don't like how the factory one feels loose and rattles. I am thinking of a Magpul, but am not sure where to start. Not looking for anything fancy, just a basic replacement for the collapsible stock that includes the buttpad.Any recommendations along with why you chose the one you did?
I may end up changing the grip also, but want to spend some time shooting it first so I am also open to any thoughts on that.
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03-27-2017, 11:46 PM
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For Magpul I'd guess the CTR is their best seller (a guess, I have no real idea). Simple, not overly expensive, and has the friction lock. I have an STR and an ACS-L and would buy both again for the checkweld they give. By a slim margin, my STR feels better than the ACS-L, and thats like just because of the slight added surface of the storage tubes (that I'll never use). I imagine the standard ACS would be the same. One thing about stocks, there is no shortage of stuff to choose from. I chose the Magpuls simply because I wanted the friction lock feature. One on a Sig, one on a Sport II. Both are completely solid when the lever is locked. Zero play.
As for the Grip, I like the Hogue beavertail, which is good for me because they aren't expensive. Ton of options out there. Watch youtube videos of all of your choices to get a better look at all of it.
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Look at www.Luth-AR.com stocks too. I took my stock grip, ground off the finger groove and added Talon grips. It's been the most comfortable for me so far.
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Look at www.Luth-AR.com stocks too. I took my stock grip, ground off the finger groove and added Talon grips. It's been the most comfortable for me so far.
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I have their MBA-3 and love it. No rattle as after it gets adjusted, you can snug down a set screw to kill any movement. MBA-3 Carbine Buttstock | Luth-AR
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For my uses an adjustable stock is not a high priority and A1 stocks are the length that fits me best but are hard to find at times. I really need to find a modern stock,thanks racer x and kodiakco.
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I Like The Magpul CTR & Have 1 On My AR,As stated agove it has The Friction Lock to eliminate any Play & Is Reasonnably Priced.
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03-28-2017, 08:33 AM
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If you want light weight check out the
mission first tactical minimalist stock, I really like them and you can add a cool paracord cobra weave to them if you want (check YouTube).
Otherwise as others have said can't go wrong with a Magpul CTR.
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I use the minimalist stock without paracord and love it, never had an issue with stock catching on anything. It only see range use but I picked it because it's light and fits tight. You actually have to work it a few hundred times before it will slide perfectly but that only takes a few minutes.
The other reason I liked it was for the built in rotating QD sling mount.
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You pays you money - you takes you choice. Lots of variations out there.
I just added an ACS to my Sport model and it's an improvement over the factory "rattler". Taking me a while to adapt to the narrower butt pad as I had a SOG pad on the factory butt.
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as far as a Grip, I got this and really like it! with the interchangeable finger straps, and back/palm straps, ya almost cant help but to find a great fit for YOUR hand..
it also has a removable bottom cap, for a small storage area..
The grip seems to fit very nicely, firm etc.. it is a semi hard rubber, Which I would liken to the feel of a Car tire VS the softness of say, and inner tube..
Certainly feels a heck of a lot better on the hand then the stock grip.. to say the least!
CAA AR15/M16 6 Piece Interchangeable Finger Groove Pistol Grip UPG16 19% OFF Best Rated
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tinman931, before you change anything you should at least put a couple of boxes of ammunition downrange. You might find the OEM adjustable fits you just fine in spite of the looseness.
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The rattle only matters when playing with the rifle in your living room.
Considerations would be things like sling attachment points, cheek rest shape and some have adjustments for rise, weight considerations and some have storage.
I have a Magpul CTR. It has a "friction lock" which keeps it from rattling on the receiver extension tube but the only real advantage over standard is QD sockets for my sling.
Happy stock hunting.
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The rattle only matters when playing with the rifle in your living room.
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And if the rattle is all that bothers you, a piece of stick on velcro, the soft fuzzy side, attached to the receiver extension will take care of the rattle and looseness.
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The rattle only matters when playing with the rifle in your living room.
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I'm guilty.... LOL!
The rattle, so to speak, does not bother me, but i do probably spend more one-on-one time on my couch with my AR, then a normal person would.. LOL!
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I installed the STR on both my 15 and my 10, I liked it that much. Bonus is the little storage tubes meant for batteries mostly.
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The "rattle" is a psychological thing. I wouldn't tolerate anything that rattled on any of my other rifles, so it bugs me on my AR15s.
When shooting prone, it didn't prevent me from hitting steel out to 400 yds with a red dot sight.
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Thanks to all for the responses so far. This has been very helpful. I agree that I need to spend some time sending rounds down range before I do anything.
The Magpul CTR certainly seems to be a popular option. Displaying my ignorance of AR related issues (that's why I'm asking those who know more than I do, after all), is the commercial spec is the one that would work for the Sport, rather than the mil-spec?
Half the fun is the hunt, so I can see myself going down the YouTube rabbit hole watching reviews
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as far as a Grip, I got this and really like it! with the interchangeable finger straps, and back/palm straps, ya almost cant help but to find a great fit for YOUR hand..
it also has a removable bottom cap, for a small storage area..
The grip seems to fit very nicely, firm etc.. it is a semi hard rubber, Which I would liken to the feel of a Car tire VS the softness of say, and inner tube..
Certainly feels a heck of a lot better on the hand then the stock grip.. to say the least!
CAA AR15/M16 6 Piece Interchangeable Finger Groove Pistol Grip UPG16 19% OFF Best Rated
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This looks interesting. I like the idea of the inserts to customize the fit to my hand.
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Thanks to all for the responses so far. This has been very helpful. I agree that I need to spend some time sending rounds down range before I do anything.
The Magpul CTR certainly seems to be a popular option. Displaying my ignorance of AR related issues (that's why I'm asking those who know more than I do, after all), is the commercial spec is the one that would work for the Sport, rather than the mil-spec?
Half the fun is the hunt, so I can see myself going down the YouTube rabbit hole watching reviews
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the buffer receiver extension thingy on the sport/sport II, is mil spec dimensions..
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This looks interesting. I like the idea of the inserts to customize the fit to my hand.
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right on.. if ya do decide to go with it, I'd suggest trying each of the options/combinations, and each time, grip it as tight as ya can! for a short spell, then see/feel where it may kinda be hurting your hand, then try the next combination and so on, until you find the right combination, that seems to feel the least painful (so to speak) while gripping it very tightly..
squeezing it real tight, will simulate a lighter grip for a much longer period, and help to determine which combination conforms to YOUR hand the best..
sorry if that wording was poorly written.. LOL, but you know what I mean, it wont take long to be able to tell which is the ticket for ya man..
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Magpul MOE stock plus Magpul MOE+ or MOE K2+ pistol grip.
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So I got to take it to the range for the first time today and was very pleased overall. It was an indoor range, so I was limited to about 75 feet, but was pleased with the accuracy. I am sure it will improve as I become more comfortable with the rifle. Now that I have shot it I will say that I didn't notice the buttstock moving, but feel like I need it to extend about one more inch. I don't know if any of the aftermarket options will do that.
I do not care for the stock pistol grip. My hands are on the larger side and it felt too thin. I would also like it to angle back a bit more and the finger groove extension bothers me. It is in the wrong place for my hand. I will be looking to replace that in short order. Fortunately I have a birthday coming up soon so I may be able to do a little shopping.
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Hopefully it will last a while.
Spend a little time with the rifle as it is and I think you may find - as I, and both my sons did - that the rifle in its factory configuration is prefectly fine once you get used to it.
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Put a Magpul MOE for milspec buffer tubes (not commercial) from my spare parts bin on my Sport II, but it was still loose.
Replaced it with a Magpul CTR, which solved the rattle. The MOE went onto another gun.
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You can pick up a generic AR Carbine stock rubber add on butt pad pretty cheap on Amazon or eBay. Under $10 shipped on eBay. Adds about half an inch.
The Luth MBA-3 I mentioned earlier can extend an extra inch. And on their website they mention a butt pad that fits it for another half an inch or so.
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Are you sure you need a longer stock, or do you need to change your technique? The stance used when shooting the M4 type AR is more squared to the target, with your trigger arm down closer to your body... no more chicken wings.
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Are you sure you need a longer stock, or do you need to change your technique? The stance used when shooting the M4 type AR is more squared to the target, with your trigger arm down closer to your body... no more chicken wings.
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I'm going to add another vote for the Mission First Tactical Minimalist stock.
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I like the simplicity of the ace skeleton stock.
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Are you sure you need a longer stock, or do you need to change your technique? The stance used when shooting the M4 type AR is more squared to the target, with your trigger arm down closer to your body... no more chicken wings.
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I'm wondering if this is part of my problem. It felt a little awkward compared to how I am used to holding a rifle. I will try pulling my arm in closer the next time and see if this helps.
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Good stuff! Thank you for sharing!
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Just ordered the CTR, BAD lever, Odin Works extended mag release, and the CAA pistol grip (I think I'm done now...I hope). Looking forward to installing everything and seeing how it goes.
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Just ordered the CTR, BAD lever, Odin Works extended mag release, and the CAA pistol grip (I think I'm done now...I hope). Looking forward to installing everything and seeing how it goes.
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Famous last words... before your next purchase! LOL.. I hear ya though!
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I have the CTR butt stock on all 3 of my AR-15's because of the friction lock. You also get the Magpul universal sling mount hole for attaching a universal Sling mount on the CTR butt stock.
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I have the CTR butt stock on all 3 of my AR-15's because of the friction lock. You also get the Magpul universal sling mount hole for attaching a universal Sling mount on the CTR butt stock.
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Haven't decided what to do about a sling yet, but I like that the new stock opens some options.
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Got everything today but the mag release. So far, I'm pretty happy. The stock feels good against my shoulder, and while it still moves a little bit, it is much improved overall. Adding the biggest pieces in the pistol grip already feels much better in my hand. Final judgement will be reserved for range time. I really like the BAD lever. Definitely makes the bolt release function less awkward.
I hope to get to the range this weekend to see how it all works.
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